Royal guard video kicking child in the way

[DickMabutt73962]

I wasn't born and raised in the UK and am not into the culture of 'tradition' but I don't understand the majority of reactions to this video blaming the parent and saying of the guards 'it's their job'.

Can anyone more enlightened explain to me why this was necessary? As far as I can see the guard is marching, not saving London from attack. I don't see why a side-step wouldn't work. And if this is a register thing then maybe future control of how close members of the public are able to get in their path

www.indy100.com/viral/queen-royal-guard-trampled-kid-tiktok-video-b1983965

@mathanxiety

I'm going to hasard a guess that the soldiers at Arlington are in proper uniforms too, not quasi-Disney outfits.

Yes, their uniforms are unmistakably military, extremely sharp, downright manicured in fact. They are required to present immaculately.

What is the relevance of a modern day uniform as opposed to traditional uniform. Is it so difficult to understand that just because soldiers do not dress up in an American recognisable uniform that it is fine to treat this like a Disney-stage show?

I know it is difficult to switch cultural gears but come on it is not that hard to respect another country's traditions as a tourist.

Any the child was not 'trampled' or 'stamped on'.

Never before have I felt more surrounded by delusional, hysterical idiots than I do right now.

😁its the bizarre world of MN that never fails to deliver nor disappoint.

@MrsMattMurdock

This thread is a fascinating example of how we see what we want to see. It's really interesting to ponder criminal trials and the inconsistencies of witness accounts who have all seen the same thing but describe it in completely different ways. Not the point of the thread I know but it's helping me pass the time on a rainy day. I mean I have loads to do but this is better.

Yes I agree, it is fascinating. Everyone can see the same video and can rewatch it again and again, and still people have very different views of what actually happened.

Maybe we could take a moment to consider what would happen if they did break ranks for anyone who got in their way

Right now anyone with sense keeps themselves and their children out of their path, and mostly the worst they get is folk trying to make them talk or performing silly antics for a photo ... but if this changed you'd get idiots thinking they were some sort of interactive experience, climbing all over them and generally causing chaos

" so I vote we talk about the tooth fairy instead"

Your bullshit answer certainly goes.into the realms of fantasy.

It's comparable, and the soldiers at Arlington aren't cordoned off when changing the guard.

I was right that you'd make an exception because it was the states and it exposes.your utter hypocrisy and bull shit reasons for your criticism.

Pathetic.

If I'm walking and there is a little boy in my way - even a rude little boy who deliberately refuses to get out of my way - I am not justified, as a grown adult, in barrelling into him and knocking him over.

I see no evidence in the video that the guard purposefully walked into the child. Sometimes it happens that people collide as they both end up repeatedly going in the same direction to avoid each other. Surely that's happened to you at least once in your life?

Apparently the guard did later go back to check on the child and he was fine. A relative shared the video, which I'm sure they wouldn't have done if they felt the child had been a victim of an assault. I don't think it's unfair to say the child has hopefully learnt to be more aware of his surroundings if he's attending something like a march where he could get potentially get hurt. There was no reason for the family to be that close to the procession.

It's a tourist attraction precisely because it isn't Disney, it goes both ways.

Oh yes it is 'Disney'. It's got the 'pageantry', the 'romance', and the 'history', all dished up and served to the ticket holding public. Plus characters dressed up in uniforms that bear no resemblance to anything people wear nowadays, parading about.

The level of ignorance and disrespect for the military on this thread is incredible. You may not like the RF, or the military per se, but these are operational infantry/cavalry soldiers. They can be Gurkhas, Royal Marines. They're highly trained. They're most definitely not decorative.

@HunterGatherer

Adrianneanneanne

Moron is disablist.
Disablist terms are disablist however and whoever they are aimed at. You can't excuse them by saying they are disablist only if used against a disabled person.
A child calling another, a m**g in the playground is being bloody disablist, whether that child has special needs or not.

Sorry, not meaning to derail the thread.

As I say, no different to stupid or idiot. The old meanings are defunct, some people aren't even aware they originated from mental impairment diagnoses. It's the intent behind it, unless every criticism of intelligence is disabling (Sorry to derail again)

The thing that puzzles me...
If a relative posted the video, was it filmed by them?
And if so, why didn't they react before the child got knocked over?

I see no evidence in the video that the guard purposefully walked into the child

Roaring at the child to make way indicates that he saw the child was directly in his path. So he could have done something other than walking straight into him.

Rather than retrain them all it's easier to just tell people to mind their kids.

That would work as an argument a) if all kids were 100% reliable at all times and b) unruly kids were the only unexpected thing that ever happens.

The videos I have seen today show elderly people trying to get out of the way or marching detachments. Maybe they made the rookie mistake of treating an important terrorist target as if it were a tourist attraction that sells tickets to get in.

Wearing an archaic uniform does not make it any more acceptable. The guard didn't have to stop and have a chat with the boy, distracting him from his duty. He just had to behave like a sensible human being. Move over himself, or stop until the boy has moved. That it's not tradition or that he'd be slightly out of time with the other guards isn't a good enough reason not to. The poster who mentioned the authoritarian streak some seem to have was right, I think. It's not okay just because they're in uniform, or they're well-trained and hardworking, or that's the way it's always been done. Knocking over a child is the wrong thing to do.

I do agree @GreenWhiteViolet, this isn't an image I'd want to be associated with.

They've served, their training, strength and discipline is second to none.

So to give the enemy a fighting chance we make them wear hats they can't see in and uniforms so unsuitable for the weather they regularly faint on parade.

Those parents ... my god. Useless
Kid wasnt a little kid
Old enough to know better
Same goes for the parents

Comments like this really piss me off.

How do you know the child was old enough to know better?
A few teens I work with are in year 11 and over 6ft but their mental age is way younger.

As for the age of the parent - that’s completely irrelevant and ageist.

I did enjoy your point about sentinels ordering people to remain behind the rails and there being signs up.

There are signs up at the Tower and how is "make way for the queen's guards" not an order.

It could happen at Arlington just as easily.

But you make an exception for the US. How funny, demonstrating the paucity.of your other points.

The comment about Disney uniform? Utterly stupid comment from who ever said it. Believe the Soldeirs at Arlibgton are in first class uniform with swords and rifles with bayonets. So useful in a modern day war setting.

.These marching buffoons perform the very necessary function of making the past look quaint and cute as opposed to a long and miserable saga of rampant injustice, and degradation of the poor. That's all they're good for.

It's fuck all to do with "making the past look cute". You are utterly ignorant re the role of the military and you probably wouldn't be here merrily ranting on Mumsnet without their "miserable saga of injustice and degradation".

I don't really care if you are military, protecting "the queen" who wasn't even there or not. It's shit.

Can't wait til the monarchy is abolished and we can stop wasting money on this shit. Maybe it will go towards real problems like housing and improving shit wages for people who actually DO a days work in their lives.

@KeflavikAirport

They've served, their training, strength and discipline is second to none.

So to give the enemy a fighting chance we make them wear hats they can't see in and uniforms so unsuitable for the weather they regularly faint on parade.

@Sn0tnose

I’d be really interested to know how many of you who think the soldier did a terrible thing are from London or from a town where there is any sort of military presence? It was one of the first things we were taught as kids. Look where you’re going, get out the way of anyone marching towards you.

@Sn0tnose I'm born and raised in South West London, I was never taught to get out of the way if anyone was marching towards us. It's more so common sense.

I think the fact that a soldier did that to a KID is really a joke however I saw a video on Twitter where a soldier pushed a grown woman who was standing in front of his way when he was trying to march. I still think it's wrong but someone in the replies said if soldiers move from their post then they can actually face prison time (not sure how accurate that is). Still wrong though imo

People keep saying this isn’t the full video and he went over and apologised afterwards.

Does anyone have this full video as I’ve not seen it?

Oh yes it is 'Disney'. It's got the 'pageantry', the 'romance', and the 'history', all dished up and served to the ticket holding public. Plus characters dressed up in uniforms that bear no resemblance to anything people wear nowadays, parading about

I wouldn't know where to start with this, and I realise Disney seems to infest some folks' brains, but have we really got to the point where everything's seen through the lens of the Plastic Pals?

Well they are American puzzled

@mathanxiety

It's a tourist attraction precisely because it isn't Disney, it goes both ways.

Oh yes it is 'Disney'. It's got the 'pageantry', the 'romance', and the 'history', all dished up and served to the ticket holding public. Plus characters dressed up in uniforms that bear no resemblance to anything people wear nowadays, parading about.

Jeez, I'm as republican (UK meaning) as they come, but even I think this comment if offensive. These guards have been doing this 365 days a year for hundreds of years. There are many similar ceremonies where soldiers wear ceremonial dress all around the world. It's not done for tourist dollars.