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Royal guard video kicking child in the way

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DickMabutt73962 · 29/12/2021 23:23

I wasn't born and raised in the UK and am not into the culture of 'tradition' but I don't understand the majority of reactions to this video blaming the parent and saying of the guards 'it's their job'.

Can anyone more enlightened explain to me why this was necessary? As far as I can see the guard is marching, not saving London from attack. I don't see why a side-step wouldn't work. And if this is a register thing then maybe future control of how close members of the public are able to get in their path

www.indy100.com/viral/queen-royal-guard-trampled-kid-tiktok-video-b1983965

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LakieLady · 30/12/2021 08:07

The child wasn't on his eye level and stepped out in front of him. It was an accident.

Quite.

I knocked a toddler flying in a supermarket once. I was hurrying and he ran straight across my path, way below my eyeline. I nearly fell on him too!

loislovesstewie · 30/12/2021 08:07

@mathanxiety

Unlike American soldiers of course who have never, ever committed any real atrocity

I'm happy to start a thread on that if you'd care to join me. We could talk about Northern Ireland too if you wish.

But this thread is about a British soldier trampling a child outside the Tower of London.

I suspect I know more about the Six Counties than you do.
MintJulia · 30/12/2021 08:07

Oh well mathanxiety, it seems England is not your first choice for a holiday. We can at least agree on that.

derxa · 30/12/2021 08:07

I despair

ufucoffee · 30/12/2021 08:07

@NdujaWannaDance

I am here because I am gobsmacked at the number of people here who don't give a rat's ass that a child was trampled by a grown man

Oh come on now, you are being ridiculous. You are deliberately making it sound so much worse than it was because you harbour an anti-English or anti-British agenda. He was neither trampled nor kicked.

He was knocked over accidentally because he was standing somewhere he shouldn't have been, and then immediately stepped OVER, not stepped ON. There is a big difference.

Any soldier carrying out similar duties in any country would have done the same and if they didn't, then God help whomever/whatever they were supposed to be guarding.

And no-one is saying they don't care that the child got knocked over. They are saying that the soldier cannot be held responsible for something outside of his control and his first priority MUST be to keep on doing what he's paid to do. Because the consequences of him not doing that and allowing himself to be easily distracted are potentially far worse than anything the child might have suffered.

I have often got the impression both in the UK in person and online here that there is a really deep streak of authoritarianism in Britain, and this thread confirms that.

Hmm It's not quite a repeat of Tiananman Square, now is it? Get a grip.

I actually don't care that the child got knocked over. He wasn't harmed. Shouldn't have been in the way.
NdujaWannaDance · 30/12/2021 08:08

I'm happy to start a thread on that if you'd care to join me. We could talk about Northern Ireland too if you wish.

Ah. And there it is. The agenda.

Heronwatcher · 30/12/2021 08:08

I agree with you OP, in theory they are soldiers but in reality they at least have a duel purpose which is to make money from tourists, from which the queen benefits heartily. If they can’t deal with members of the public better than that then they shouldn’t let them come so close. It’s easy to say that it’s the parents fault but who hasn’t momentarily lost sight/ touch of their kids, especially on a day out in a crowded city. I think it’s awful.

WhatIsThisPlease · 30/12/2021 08:08

@mathanxiety

Fixed that for ya.

Not really. As I said, if I come across armed anyone, be it guards, soldiers, police or bloody terrorists, I don't need a barrier to tell me to keep my kids the hell out of the way!

JohnHuffam1812 · 30/12/2021 08:08

Parents and kids fault.

Soldiers on duty with loaded weapons.

People know how it works before they go to the Tower and if they don't, their fault.

BlackCatz · 30/12/2021 08:09

I actually don't care that the child got knocked over. He wasn't harmed. Shouldn't have been in the way

Same

abcdeg · 30/12/2021 08:09

@mathanxiety

I haven’t been conditioned or treated like dirt at all.

If you honestly believe that soldiers have any business marching around in public streets where they could knock over small children who get in their way, then yes, you have been conditioned.

And soldiers marching around in streets where there are members of the public, trained to keep going regardless of human obstacles in their path are trained to treat civilians like mere objects.

What rubbish, are you serious? He doesn't look like a 'young' child (infant).

His mother want concerned hence why she left him there. His sister back in the US wasn't concerned hence why she joked and put it on Twitter.

He was unhurt, just stepped over. 🤨

BlackCatz · 30/12/2021 08:10

@TrishM80

Just goes to show that a very large proportion of the armed forces are little more than professional thugs.
So dense.
ufucoffee · 30/12/2021 08:10

@Bogofftosomewherehot
Thank you - I was going to ask @mathanxiety where they're from as they have such anti British sentiment.

Well you can tell it's not here because, as we all know, it's mathS not math Smile

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 30/12/2021 08:10

Soldiers marching around with loaded weapons describes the first 10 years of my childrens lives. They learnt not to bother them or go nearvthier dogs by the time they were out of the pushchair. Their first nursery used to take them to watch parade practice (where there were ignored until dismissed then the kids get a hug from the appropriate parent!). Thier first school had its own armed guards patrolling it. The Band of the Welsh Guards visited their second school for a week and taught them music etc. In their last home before moving out of the community, it was a Initial training base so watching out for groups of marching soldiers was like looking for cars before crossing a road.

They are normal people. The Guard is probably mortified about the whole thing. There's likely been briefings on how best to act to errant children wandering in their path. But all tourist attractions have security and visitors need to be aware.

abcdeg · 30/12/2021 08:11

@EddyF

I agree OP. SMH; it had to be a little Black boy.
How is that relevant in any capacity?
mathanxiety · 30/12/2021 08:17

So, mathanxiety, what part do the parents play in all this? Are they absolved from all blame, or should they be ensuring their kid behaves themselves?

Of course!

But, you know, some kids have SN, some don't speak English, and some are tourists who have no idea that they or their children are in harm's way in an area open to the public with no marching routes marked, and the possibility that an order will be barked only at the last second (in a language they may not speak).

If you look closely at the footage, you will see other children, not all of whom were firmly under parental control. It's a miracle that more children are not trampled. Or old people who can't get out of the way in time.

The Tower of London is famous worldwide. It attracts 3 million visitors annually. Not all of those tourists are going to do all the homework many here seem to believe they should do before setting foot in the grounds. Not all of those visitors speak English. Some are deaf. Some are not NT.

As I remarked before, some undoubtedly come from places where it is unthinkable that soldiers would simply physically mow down a child and keep on marching and it might not occur to them that gathering their children to them and gripping them tightly would be necessary.

Some probably can't believe that if security is such an important preoccupation, the public is allowed to wander freely along marching routes which must not be deviated from under any circumstances.

It seems to me that the question of physical barriers is the most logical solution to all the competing interests here - keep terrorists at a distance, free the Guards to do their very important marching about in costume, keep bolting toddlers, bewildered children, older people, and people who don't understand English safe.

ememem84 · 30/12/2021 08:23

@antisocialsocialclub

This is somewhat disingenuous. They absolutely are a tourist attraction. They wear fancy dress

Fucking hell, that’s their uniform 🤣🤣🤣

If you go to the Vatican and see the Swiss guard in their uniform woth loaded guns etc. would you say the same? Guarding the pope. Yes the uniform is elaborate. But that’s how it is.

And you don’t get in their way.

loislovesstewie · 30/12/2021 08:24

Oh please, you are really scraping the barrel, now, aren't you? You think my kids who have learning disabilities didn't go to the major tourist attractions in London and other European cities? They didn't go to the Louvre? Or the National Gallery, or see the guards changing in Athens? Or go to any tourist attraction in Brussels, or Paris or Amsterdam or countless other places. I don't recall them speaking any of those languages either! Well, they did see all of that, and more, and they were taught to behave, to stay close to a parent and follow instructions.
I'm sorry if that is too authoritarian for you but to me, it's parenting.

shouldistop · 30/12/2021 08:24

@Maassi

Working armed soldiers tripped during active duty by child not under parents control is a better heading OP.
This

It actually looks like the boy is deliberately standing there tbh.

JohnHuffam1812 · 30/12/2021 08:24

Fuck me every time on MN "kid might have had SN"

Or most likely he just got in the way of an armed guard, and it doesn't matter where they came from, it's well known how the Queens Gaurd's act.

If you don't know? Your fault not that of the soldier.

loislovesstewie · 30/12/2021 08:25

P.S the diagnosis is ASD.

mathanxiety · 30/12/2021 08:25

He doesn't look like a 'young' child (infant).

Is 'infant' synonymous with 'young child' now?

I didn't mean 'infant' so I said 'young child'.
Which the boy clearly is. I would put him at about 8 at most.

Florianus · 30/12/2021 08:26

@Heronwatcher

I agree with you OP, in theory they are soldiers but in reality they at least have a duel purpose which is to make money from tourists, from which the queen benefits heartily. If they can’t deal with members of the public better than that then they shouldn’t let them come so close. It’s easy to say that it’s the parents fault but who hasn’t momentarily lost sight/ touch of their kids, especially on a day out in a crowded city. I think it’s awful.
The Tower of London is maintained by Historic Royal Palaces, an independent charity that is nothing to do with the Queen.
loislovesstewie · 30/12/2021 08:27

@mathanxiety. Please, give up now. It really is getting very silly.

NdujaWannaDance · 30/12/2021 08:28

Security issues aside, the point is that if the Guards had sidestepped for this child then every idiot tourist who wants to get themselves on TikTok would turn it into a game and be jumping in front of marching soldiers left right and centre.

The Guards would be side stepping all over the shop and pretty soon it would become a farcical, chaotic mess, where the entire point of going there for some people would be to make a soldier jump out of your way.

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