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AIBU To Not Want to Pay for Step Children?

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Humal93 · 18/12/2021 13:59

My husband has 3 children prior to our marriage and we have just recently had our own child together.

We have been married almost 3 years now and over these few years have realised how much I am spending on things like almost everyday on snacks and sometimes toys, stationery and in-game purchases for Robux and Xbox. The 2 youngest always want to come to the shops with me so they can choose something as it seems and me being soft, I say yes.

I do not work as I look after the children, but husband does and as he is the breadwinner and the first 3 being his children, I feel like he should be paying these expenses. What if we were to break up and instead of saving what bits of money I can from benefits, I'm spending on children that aren't biologically mine who will obviously stay with their dad and I would be stuck trying to make ends meet for my little one. I feel as though I am spending my child benefit more on our other children when it is really meant for the youngest. It would be different had they not had their mum around or if I was actually earning, but she is so they have both a mother and father that can provide for them.

I have bought the majority of things for their rooms since we moved house and countless other things for the home. I have brought them Xbox games, clothes and many toys and things. And the thing that bugs me even more is I feel they don't respect what they have and take it for granted by leaving things lying around and their rooms are a mess - that is an understatement. I hate living in mess, it feels chaotic and miserable and have stopped tidying up their rooms as it drains me, but still find myself going in there once in a while as it just looks terrible and dislike the thought of them waking up to that. Now when they say they want something from the shops that is not edible, I say only when they tidy their rooms. But this feels wrong as I wouldn't be plying my daughter with gifts in return for her respect in tidying up after herself. I would expect our youngest daughter to tidy up once she is older and not do it for something in return or be rewarded with something other than praise at that age as I grew up a fairly clean and tidy person which I think should be the norm, but isn't? and want to raise her the same, sorry if this sounds cocky.

With Christmas around the corner, I have spent over £200 on things they have asked for. Is this something a lot of parents do as I remember when growing up, we just got what we were given and were grateful for that. I apologise for the long rant, this is my first post and have wanted to get these things off my chest for a while. Thank you.

OP posts:
immersivereader · 18/12/2021 17:27

Why are you pretending you don’t know that many marriages are based on religion.

^^Confused

They're not. They're a contract.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 18/12/2021 17:28

OP is not going to come back because of the benefits fraud comments I suspect

DroopyClematis · 18/12/2021 17:29

Talk. Discuss. Sort your finances out.
Does your 'husband' earn enough for all of you?
Are you claiming UC as a single person while living with a man who has three children and is able to provide?

Bit of a mess really. And if you're not legally married then you need to have a long , hard think about this relationship.

You don't want to spend your UC with a lover who came with three (!!!) resident children.
Are you wanting the state to provide for you and your joint child only? That's not how it works.
If you're legally married to a man who can provide for all of his resident family then he should be paying and you shouldn't be on UC .
If you need UC then it gets spent on all resident children.

If you want your own money for your own child then move out or get a job.

viques · 18/12/2021 17:29

[quote Terribleluck]@Asi an Islamic marriage is legal in Pakistan making it legal here. However, if you marry in the UK under Islamic law, the British government wouldn't produce a certificate so that marriage isn't legally valid. [/quote]
@Asi
, your marriage is legal, but an Islamic marriage in the UK , even one performed here, does not have the legal weight of a UK recognised marriage. So your husband does not have legal obligations to share finances if you split up, you do not have a legal right to property he owns even if you have contributed towards it , if he dies you would not automatically inherit pensions, money, assets and property. It really is an important safeguard for women to have a marriage that is recognised as such by UK law. As far as UK law goes, you have the same rights as a co habitee, ie no rights at all.

Flowers500 · 18/12/2021 17:30

@Justheretoaskaquestion91

OP is not going to come back because of the benefits fraud comments I suspect
Yeah…unfortunately it sounds like her questions about how to spend this money are academic because they won’t be getting it in the future. And they might also be having to pay some back…
Asi1 · 18/12/2021 17:34

@immersivereader

You need to be legally married

What is a 'religious marriage' anyway? Jumping over a broom?

WTF.
VodselForDinner · 18/12/2021 17:37

we are not legally married, just a religious ceremony

So you’re not married at all.

Honestly, he’s supporting himself and all of his children. You’re supported by him and taxpayers. He’s allowing you to live in his house. You have no power here at all.

Chasingaftermidnight · 18/12/2021 17:40

Exactly how I am reading her posts but so many people piling on saying she's lucky he allows her live in his house with their child she may well start to believe it. Fucking outrageous.

Agreed - it sounds like he’s financially abusive and OP is in a very precarious position but people are telling her she’s fortunate!

PinkWednesdays · 18/12/2021 17:47

How can people tell the OP is committing benefit fraud? I’ve read her posts twice but can’t see anything that suggests it. I don’t know how it works, so curious as to what the issue is.

Also, a religious marriage means something to the couple. It’s obviously not recognised legally, but doesn’t mean the concept of it should be mocked.

Beautiful3 · 18/12/2021 17:48

If you're married then you need to share a bank account. Combine your finances and soend money when you need to from it. Treat all the children the same.

Explosivefarts · 18/12/2021 17:57

So your committing benefit fraud . Charming.

girlbaby85 · 18/12/2021 17:57

@Meadowbreeze thanks for the explanation. Did the OP say her husband is on UC credit though, as he's working? Maybe I missed that bit. I also don't know how they could have single UC claims if they both put their address down on their account. Surely they would be found out?

Dishwashersaurous · 18/12/2021 17:58

The reason that people are questioning benefit fraud is because legally a couple that live together, whether married or not, have to make a single UC claim.

The amount of UC is paid for the couple based on their eligibility and income.

For third and subsequent children there is no UC supplement.

The op says that she only gets UC for her child. However, all the children live with them and therefore their claim is two adults one self employed, one not working and four children.

Therefore she legally cannot claim UC for just her child, given her living arrangements.

Flowers500 · 18/12/2021 17:58

@PinkWednesdays

How can people tell the OP is committing benefit fraud? I’ve read her posts twice but can’t see anything that suggests it. I don’t know how it works, so curious as to what the issue is.

Also, a religious marriage means something to the couple. It’s obviously not recognised legally, but doesn’t mean the concept of it should be mocked.

They live together and have a child, they are a single household. He has a company and a decent income, plus the benefits from his 3 children.

She doesn’t work and has her own income stream of benefits and child benefits which are fairly substantial. She’s not entitled to these, it sounds like she’s claiming as a single mother. How is she spending hundreds a month on the kids from “her” money when she has no job-benefits income?

Explosivefarts · 18/12/2021 17:59

@PinkWednesdays

How can people tell the OP is committing benefit fraud? I’ve read her posts twice but can’t see anything that suggests it. I don’t know how it works, so curious as to what the issue is.

Also, a religious marriage means something to the couple. It’s obviously not recognised legally, but doesn’t mean the concept of it should be mocked.

She lives with her partner and they both have separate claims for UC. They can only have one claim as they are a couple. They can’t both claim .
Dishwashersaurous · 18/12/2021 17:59

It may be that the system had picked up that there are two claims from one address yet, not everything is automatically linked yet.

But it will be picked up eventually and then pursued and corrected

Asi1 · 18/12/2021 18:02

OP, is your husband married already but hasn't divorced his wife yet. Or are you a second wife.

Prawn9910 · 18/12/2021 18:09

There are quite a few issues here .

  1. Money should be family money and all children treated equally in my opinion
  2. Without working / being married op is in a vulnerable position
  3. Benefit fraud - if the other half is not on the claim this is indeed fraud
LakieLady · 18/12/2021 18:13

@loislovesstewie

ALL marriages have to be registered. CofE priests are automatically licenced to register the marriage and other denominations arrange to either have the registrar attend to do the 'civil' part of the ceremony or arrange for a minister or member of the congregation to be licenced to perform that function. Both partiers then sign the register in the presence of witnesses. This has been the case since 1836, but unfortunately some faiths have not totally taken this on board. So the parties have the religious ceremony, but the marriage isn't registered, so no legal protection exists.
I used to manage the registration service in my last job in local government.

The number of marriages that took place years and years after couples had had a religious ceremony really shocked me. It's really important, because without the civil ceremony, the surviving spouse isn't automatically next of kin, won't inherit, have rights pension rights to their partner's and all sorts of things.

One couple did the legal bit in their late 60s. They only realised that they weren't legally married after the woman's sister's "husband" had died. There was no will and everything went to her husband's children, under intestacy rules, they weren't legally married.

This couple thought they had been married for over 40 years, but technically and legally, they weren't.

Duchess379 · 18/12/2021 18:16

You've joined a 'ready made' family then complaining that you have to spend money on his kids. That's part & parcel of having step kids I'm afraid..

PopsicleHustler · 18/12/2021 18:22

Religious ceremony? Do you mean a Nikah @Humal93

loislovesstewie · 18/12/2021 18:22

And if the marriage is legal in another country it's legal here, but the nikkah does not constitute a marriage if performed in the UK. There is a need for the marriage to be registered.

Bahhumbu · 18/12/2021 18:28

OP I hope you know you are in a very precarious situation as he’s working and you’re not and your marriage is registered. Ask him to register the marriage and his reaction will tell you everything. You should have full access to money. If you split up as you know you wouldn’t be entitled to anything. Get the marriage registered, have joint money for a start.

PinkWednesdays · 18/12/2021 18:29

Ah, ok that makes sense re the benefit fraud. Thank you for for explaining @Dishwashersaurous, @Flowers500 and @Explosivefarts. I was wondering what I was missing in the OP but I see the holes in OP’s story now.

Bahhumbu · 18/12/2021 18:30

Sorry isn’t registered. I know exactly how this works in my community as it’s often the man who doesn’t want to register the marriage. Fine if it’s your choice op but you not working is making you very vulnerable. I have seen so much of this.

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