The big anti-Covid pass protest tomorrow in London

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AIBU or is this really not helpful to have them all gathering in the middle of London? It's the new epicentre of Covid while the virus peaks to previously unseen levels case wise. They're protesting against any new restrictions yet their actions tomorrow will make restrictions more likely.

I accept their right to protest but think it's unhelpful at this juncture, especially a week before Christmas. No doubt people bused in from around the country who'll then spread it back to their own home town.

Not to mention a lot of these people will be unvaccinated which puts the hospitals under more strain if it turns into a superspreader event. These Saturday protest jollies in London are always filled with anti-vax speakers, posters and paraphernalia.

I think it's important to separate out the issues here. As I understand it, the protest is about vaccine passports, not about vaccines. Believing that vaccine passports are too far does not mean someone is an antivaxxer. I'm delighted to have had my vaccines, but I don't believe that people who choose not to (however unwisely) should be segregated. And demonizing people who are scared of the vaccine is unhelpful and will stir up social unrest. You may want this set of vaccines, as did I, but what happens when it's something you don't want, or are ethically opposed to? Both sides can spout as much bile as they want, but it's not going to get us to a good place.

I would absolutely stand up for anyone's right to protest peacefully about issues that concern them, whether or not their concern is justified in my opinion. I do, however, note the irony in this particular case.

That said, I don't really blame anyone for not trusting this Government in particular. I don't trust the buggers as far as I could throw them either. More irony in that when they're making a half-hearted attempt in the general direction of taking responsible action for a change, that's the bit people don't like.

So here you go - such a lovely homogenous bunch of white males in search of a rumble. I know it is the Fail but these are representative of who I have seen marching It’s not exactly the jolly diversity of the 2m who marched against Brexit….

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10323957/London-Covid-19-protests-turn-violent.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK

[quote Emilyontmoor]www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10323957/London-Covid-19-protests-turn-violent.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK[/quote]
See if the vaccines will kill us off in a year or 2 then fuck me I'd prefer that then being left alone on this planet with people like this.

Thank goodness, people rising and standing up against this attack on our liberties and freedoms. You should be applauding them.

What is the collective term for a large group of thick cunts?

@Anniegetyourgun

I would absolutely stand up for anyone's right to protest peacefully about issues that concern them, whether or not their concern is justified in my opinion. I do, however, note the irony in this particular case.

That said, I don't really blame anyone for not trusting this Government in particular. I don't trust the buggers as far as I could throw them either. More irony in that when they're making a half-hearted attempt in the general direction of taking responsible action for a change, that's the bit people don't like.

Absolutely agree!

At least they're out there doing something for their convictions as opposed to wetting themselves online!

@PestoSugarPlumFairy - wait until you see the real assault this government has made on our freedoms.

@mygenericusername - there is absolutely no way of policing showing a negative test. Anyone can game the system.

@alienbaby

At least they're out there doing something for their convictions as opposed to wetting themselves online!

Wetting themselves online wouldn't help spread disease and put pressure on police and other resources.

@Emilyontmoor

So here you go - such a lovely homogenous bunch of white males in search of a rumble. I know it is the Fail but these are representative of who I have seen marching It’s not exactly the jolly diversity of the 2m who marched against Brexit….

I think they're going for the Darwin Awards.

[quote Emilyontmoor]www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10323957/London-Covid-19-protests-turn-violent.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK[/quote]
Just look at the state of that lot, hahah.

As I said previously the typical rent a mob looking for a fight. May be the world would be better off if Covid removed them all.

So I'm still waiting for some one any one to explain the rational why the government would be intent on removing all your freedom? what is it apparently going to achieve? What is their goal? Because I don't see it and would love to be educated by the anti-vax anti lock down crazy's.

[quote luckylavender]@PestoSugarPlumFairy - wait until you see the real assault this government has made on our freedoms.[/quote]
What are you alluding to luckylavender?

[quote Emilyontmoor]www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10323957/London-Covid-19-protests-turn-violent.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailUK[/quote]
🤣😂🤣😂🤣 I can just see and hear Frank Gallagher from Shameless looking at that lot. Scatter!

Omicron will be having a field day. It’s probably brewing up the next variant right there in that crowd of Frank Gallagher’s.

Huge spike in hospital cases, I hope they are going to be proud!

@Twillow

Excuse my ignorance *@PestoSugarPlumFairy* but I don't really understand how vaccine passports are an assault on our liberties? What is the thinking there? Doesn't it give people more freedom to go out?

Vaccine passports are meaningless. Vaccinated people can and do spread the virus and can and do catch the virus so there is literally no point in vaccine passports except as a political tool to divide society and potentially bring in even more draconian rules and regulations and ways to track people.

The vaccines do not work (or are pretty useless, hence the need for ever more boosters that last a few months), so a vaccinated person could go to a big gathering with a vaccine passpost whilst having covid and be allowed in, yet an unvaccinated person who has done a LFT and does not have covid but doesn't have a vaccine passport would not be let in. There is no logic to it, just a way to divide and conquer.

@lonelyapple do you have Blockbuster mugs in your 6th form common room? Bless you

Vaccine passports are a huge assault on our liberties, so good for them for making a stand.

The Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts bill going through our Parliament at the mo is an assault on our liberties. Yet little said about it.

@madmomma - voter ID, the right to protest, the right for the government to deport European nationals even if they have settled status, Brexit. There's loads.

Zetter That is the thing, this government is dismantling many of our democratic protections, the human rights act, attacks on parliament and the judiciary etc. However in terms of managing the pandemic they have never erred on the side of effective public health measures to protect us and bring the virus under control, quite the opposite, until we reach the point where it threatens the NHS and the wider functioning of society and the full consequences hove into view, as now. In fact their libertarian approach to the pandemic in denial of the science and public health advice is the actual threat to our liberty, and lives. But I don’t expect the Neanderthals in Parliament Square are going to appreciate that nuance.

The majority of Covid patients in hospitals are not vaxxed. They are taking up beds that could be used for every other sort of illness which cannot be prevented.

Vaccine passports all the way.

Unless of course all the unvaxxed are going to campaign for higher taxes to increase the capacity of hospitals. I'm waiting for that petition to be sent round. Can't think why I haven't seen it already.

Thanks for clarifying lavender

We literally have the most half-assed response to COVID in the entire world, these people complaining about 'MUH FREEDUM' really don't have a clue.

Thought hugely pro-vax I'm not wildly sure of benefits of passports - I think a lot of venues won't enforce as they need custom, they won't encourage anyone to vaccinate who hasn't already and given vaccines don't prevent it being passed on, it's unvaccinated individuals who are putting themselves most at risk by going out.

But as someone on Twitter pointed out this week, unvaxxed people are complaining about not being able to go places but their behaviour has been keeping clinically vulnerable people out of public spaces for the last 12 months.

The benefit from this measure seems low v the cost

Political cost and protests

I wonder why it was so important to put in place