To think many animal lovers are total hypocrites

[coatilove]

I actually dislike majority of animals, I didn't grow up with them have never had a special relationship with any and have no interest in them at all.

However, I watched a documentary on Netflix tonight called blackfish and I cannot understand how killer whales are being held in captivity and made millions of pounds and so called 'animal lovers' go to watch them and swim with them?

As someone who dislikes animals it still makes me sick to my stomach to see an animal in captivity and I could never pay to support BS like sea world - so how can animal lovers do it?

How do animal lovers eat animals? Or go to zoos?

It baffles me, AIBU?

@Hoppinggreen

I don’t go to zoos etc but I do eat meat occasionally. Funnily enough I was talking to a vegetarian friend about my volunteer work at a local wildlife rescue and she said “yuk, I could never do that” I asked her what she would do if she found an animal in distress and she said “don’t know, nothing” So who is the animal lover? Her or me?

I suppose you can love animals and be terrible in a crisis/not want to shovel shit in your spare time? Love them from afar sort of thing?

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tabbacus To be honest im
Not ready to give up meat yet
Im happy to reduce my consumption and all for some different non meat recipes that aren't the usual nutroast and def any other types of protein ideas other than meat , quorn etc [/quote]
You don't actually need that much protein in your diet you know. Everyone acts like you should be eating 90% protein. It's really bad for your kidneys.

On the wider topic though, lots are hypocrites. Look at the pet population, so many dogs are obese because their owners won’t stop giving them human food! This can have a real detrimental impact on their health but lots don’t care as they ‘can’t help’ giving them a taste of dinner each night despite being told in no uncertain terms that they’re harming their pet. Others have overweight pets because the pet has an underlying health condition and do everything they can to get the weight off but so many allow them to be obese and cause the health issues.

It’s the same with ignoring a dog’s body language. It’s usually the case of just now knowing but but wouldn’t (I hope) have a non English-speaking person in your house for 10-15 years without trying to learn their language so why isn’t it the same for dogs? So many don’t know that yawning, licking lips, whites of the eyes, turning away is the dog communicating that they’re not happy. The vast majority don’t progress up the ladder of aggression to biting but that’s sheer luck. The spend most days having their space invaded and their boundaries ignored.

I could go on but I do agree with you. I think a lot of it is lack of education or the fact (as a PP said) they love what the animal adds to their own life.

Sorry my keyboard is playing up tonight! Hopefully it makes sense

I was trying to articulate that, thanks.
Just come back from a friend who is vegan and an 'animal lover' who has two fat cats that are in a two room flat all day and fed sweets as a treat.
I bet they dream of the plains of Africa 😁

I watched an episode of "it's me or the dog" or something, where a little chihuahua was really aggressive and snappy.
The thing is though, that it's owners carried it around in a big handbag with a perspex window in.

It hadn't felt the pavement under its feet for years.

She had to remind them that as tiny as it was, it was a dog, that needed to do dog things!

@Quasi22 we have a dog we had 2 before who lived to 15 and we did give human treats at times but always about moderation they were always a good weight never over but very active, there dogs they eat out the bin if you turn your back
Out current dog is 6 and again perfect weight has the odd human treat but we know which ones are dangerous
Its funny how you do learn your dogs language and we know when he needs to go outside etc as he just has a certain look
Yes i know about licking lips , yawning etc but tbf some behaviourists don't totally agree on all this
Dog is currenty on the floor at the bottom of the bed but he may not stay there , sofa is often his favourite place although technically he isn't supposed to , but who sees at night right
Owning a dog is hard though and I don't think people realise how hard

@worriedatthemoment
You sound like you know what you’re doing. The odd human treat is usually fine, providing it isn’t something toxic. A bit of carrot, some rice or half a plain digestive likely won’t do too much damage. A full roast covered in salt twice a week followed by a family sized fruit and nut bar will.

I completely appreciate the human-animal bond and why owners want to give their pets treats, I just wish they’d make better choices. A vet will usually cover diet in routine consults like vaccinations/yearly health checks (timer permitting) so if a new owner needed suggestions for healthy treats a vet could provide them. It’s certainly not all owners, and of the owners that do have overweight pets many are willing to learn. Not knowing isn’t an issue, but being dismissive of someone trying to help you can be. It would be best for owners to research before buying a pet but I appreciate this isn’t always the case and it’s much better to educate than berate and alienate people.

You get good behaviourists and bad ‘behaviourists’. I was taught the ladder of aggression at university (vet in training - not yet qualified) and it’s very possible we don’t have the full picture yet regarding a dog’s body language but at the minute it’s taught as relevant. A qualified vet that works closely with behaviourists e.g. a vet interested in shelter medicine would be better equipped to comment on current research.

Owning a dog is definitely harder than it first seems.

I actually dislike majority of animals, I missed that because I was reading the rest of the OP about orcas which most people agree are not acceptable to have in captivity. I dislike the majority of animals, being one yourself OP what does that really mean? or is this just another *** post.

userxx
Animals in captivity for human entertainment is disgusting

Yes, pets for example

Animals in captivity for human entertainment is disgusting

Yes, pets for example

And what would you like to do with all the pets? Set them free so they can roam the neighbourhoods, breeding indiscriminately and catching diseases? That sounds so much better than being a pet. You sound clueless.

I can't imagine not liking animals. It's not a very likable trait.

@user93948921 Absolutely, the hypocritical meat eaters with fight you to death before admitting that they are contributing to the pain that animals face whilst being slaughtered and how they are damaging the environment. They will never take accountability, well I am yet to see one

And again you are only here able to comment because we ate meat.

Yanbu.

I'm vegan (for over 22 years). I don't like animals. I don't want to touch them, I don't want them in my home, and consider pets thoroughly unsanitary. I've never described myself as an animal lover. Yet I have more respect for them than those who profess to love animals, yet think nothing of eating them, wearing them, using them. So yes, most people who call themselves animal lovers are hypocrites. Most people who claim to love animals though, only really feel that way about animals they can dominate, i.e. pets.

gofg
And what would you like to do with all the pets? Set them free so they can roam the neighbourhoods, breeding indiscriminately and catching diseases? That sounds so much better than being a pet. You sound clueless.

I didn't say anything about doing something with them.
Grow up

I'm an animal lover. I don't use them for cruel entertainment, let alone don't eat them. Just by reading the first sentence of your OP I can tell something is not right.

@user93948921

Absolutely, the hypocritical meat eaters with fight you to death before admitting that they are contributing to the pain that animals face whilst being slaughtered and how they are damaging the environment. They will never take accountability, well I am yet to see one. They will argue with you till they are red in the face that there is no pain caused to animals and it’s not a big deal. Then they get really outraged if a human is killed by a tiger for example due to their own fault. People really need to take responsibility but no one wants to give up their beloved steak and chicken nuggets. No point arguing with these people set in their ways. At least the younger generation is more aware.

Nothing ageist going on there eh? Vegetarianism or veganism just got invented then? Everyone in Macdonalds is about ninety?

I love nature and animals in particular, I eat meat, I don't think I am a hypocrite. I believe in animal welfare and responsibility sorced food and that includes my fruit and veg.

I think people like vegans that breach are far more hypocrite simply because mass food protection overall IS damaging to the environment. Planting crops is destroying habitats, mono cultures are damaging to wildlife (and the soil). So no, one group of people does not trump over another. We all use up resources and don't give a shit about what is polluted, damaged or killed in the process.
Just think about the plight 9f the honey bee, used to pollenate crops.

Yanbu. To be an animal lover would mean being vegan. I'm not either. I do find it odd how many people are distressed by an injured dog but will happily eat meat butchered for their culinary pleasure.

clare I totally agree. That was central to my thoughts. Was actually in a taxi as don’t own a car. ‘What we have done to them’.

I don't see how someone can be an animal lover and eat meat. Do they mean I like cute and fluffy animals? I like animals but I like burgers more?

I’m a vegan and an animal lover my pets are all rescues so we’re already “here” so to speak.

I’m not a “preachy” vegan if someone asks me why I’m a vegan I’ll tell them but what people choose to eat is their own business.

Of course keeping orcas or any kind of animal in captivity is wrong, but what is hypocritical is keeping a poor dairy cow kept pregnant or making abnormally large amounts of milk her body can’t cope with so she’s pumped full of drugs until after a few years she’s spent then killed and eaten. Or a broiler chicken, fattened up with hundreds in a dirty shed for a few weeks at a abnormal rate then killed brutally. I could go on.

And the people who say “if we don’t eat them the world will be overrun by cows etc” that’s a ridiculous argument. It’s supply and demand, there is so way the world would become vegan overnight, as demand drops less of these animals will be bred, also less food will need to be grown for them (the environmental argument).

People can be animal lovers and still eat meat , vegertarians can't claim to be animal lovers either if they eat diary , even most vegans can 'tvof they eat many products where animal habitats are decimated to provide said product
Its called the food chain
Humans wouldn't be here today if they hadn't ate meat , not sure there were too many vegatarians 100 years ago

Why do so many vegans / vegatarian think they have the right tell us all what we should do or think
You simply don't and I can guarantee something you ate some creature has suffered for
Be that insects that have been killed by pesticides, pollution caused by production and so on
Butt out of others lifes and be less preachy as it really isn't up to you to tell other people what they should of shouldn't think

@Toastmost I don't see how someone can love animals but buy a new build house or drive a car all decimate animals on a large scale , where do you stop
I don't love cows so I will happily eat them and they are bred for eating
I wouldn't eat an endangered animal or a wild animal
We are allowed to decide for ourselves you have no right to say what I can be or not
Why do many veggies think its ok to preach at others , you live your life let others live theres