To think many animal lovers are total hypocrites

[coatilove]

I actually dislike majority of animals, I didn't grow up with them have never had a special relationship with any and have no interest in them at all.

However, I watched a documentary on Netflix tonight called blackfish and I cannot understand how killer whales are being held in captivity and made millions of pounds and so called 'animal lovers' go to watch them and swim with them?

As someone who dislikes animals it still makes me sick to my stomach to see an animal in captivity and I could never pay to support BS like sea world - so how can animal lovers do it?

How do animal lovers eat animals? Or go to zoos?

It baffles me, AIBU?

Unfortunately due to poaching and hunting activities in developing countries many animals are simply not safe living in the wild anymore. I think a lot of people have unrealistic, almost childlike views that animals in zoos should be living in the wilds of Africa roaming free when it’s simply not possible or safe for them. They are actually safer in enclosures- which is a sad reflection of what humanity has done to the world.

How many animals have gone extinct because we eat them?
How many animals have gone extinct because we have destroyed, polluted, built on their habitats?
Non meat eating diet that provides protein at affordable prices? Not to the entitled well off people who judge those who have limited choices and eat intensively produced meat to feed their children.
The luxury of sitting in judgement. The biggest threat to animals on our planet is the self entitled middle class consumers who won't wait for a bus because they are too busy, or have to eat food that is grown in the Ivory Coast.
Well that's what my goats say. I wouldn't say that because I will get hate. Goats can handle hate and genuinely don't give AF.
As the most consumed meat in the world they seem to be pretty cool about life, to be honest.

I’m a vegetarian, have been since I was 6 (out of choice, my parents aren’t or anything). I’m a massive animal lover. There are so many people say they’re animal lovers and try to act like they’re the same as me or even a woman I know who constantly saves wild animals or any kind of bird etc but we went out for a Chinese the other week and she’s tucking into all the meat. I just don’t understand how you can go out your way driving miles and miles with injured animals in your car one night then eat them the next 🤔 In my world animals are friends not food, no exceptions but some people do seem to have their own bizarre rules around it all

@Tabbacus ok maybe not you with the name calling but yes petty insults with your wording such as who can't be a vegatarian in the developed world
Some people with medical conditions can't be vegan as if your a vegatarian because its all about the animals then really should be a vegan as you know what happens to male diary cows
I think we should all waste less and maybe reduce our consumption but not be forced to give up because other people tell us we have too

@sarah13xx do you drink milk , wear leather shoes

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tabbacus I think a fair few animals have become extinct or are verging on and thats not due to eating them
Palm oil - how many animals have died from that , think it features in vegetarian foods does it not
Yes i like some meats and enjoy it I wouldn't eat any food I don't like would I , i also have meat free days if I feel like it [/quote]
There is a difference in animals becoming extinct because we stop eating them and in general. Yes palm oil is bad, as are avocados and almonds amongst other things as they lead to deforestation that causes loss of natural habit for some animals with catastrophic consequences. And? I still don't see how ah plenty of animals are killed inadvertently for some foods may as well heap more misery on by eating them. Still interested in the claim I was name calling.

@k1233 exactly

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tabbacus ok maybe not you with the name calling but yes petty insults with your wording such as who can't be a vegatarian in the developed world
Some people with medical conditions can't be vegan as if your a vegatarian because its all about the animals then really should be a vegan as you know what happens to male diary cows
I think we should all waste less and maybe reduce our consumption but not be forced to give up because other people tell us we have too [/quote]
I am a vegan yes, also not arsed if others eat meat, but find the flimsy justifications odd as if it's doing a service to the animals to eat meat. It's not. And yes if people choose not to be veggie that's fine of course people make their own choices, it was in response to your statement that people can't for various reasons, but not sure what those are.

@Tabbacus i said i mistook you name calling I owned that
Many products vegetarians eat an animal may be killed as you have stated with certain food
That animal is killed and left to die at least when eaten an animal provides nutrition
You can't claim to be a vegatarian because all animals matter and a hater or meat eaters and think that if we all stopped eating meat animals would be all ok
And as another poster has stated not all can afford a varied vegetarian healthy diet

A lot of U.K. zoos do a lot for conservation (Whether you agree with saving endangered species is another matter some think species going extinct shouldn’t be interfered with). I’m veggie, eat mostly vegan although I don’t have an issue with small scale dairy farms. I wouldn’t eat leather or use other by-products of the meat industry but I do support zoos. The highland wildlife park, for example, is absolutely stunning and the animals have a lot of space. They’re educational and can do a lot of good.

@Tabbacus like i said some have medical reasons and a vegan diet would be very hard and some people cannot afford a good varied vegan diet
We have been omnivores for years

I wouldn’t support anything like sea world though. There are laws regarding enclosure sizes and we couldn’t keep anything like a killer whale in the U.K. as to meet welfare standards they’d need a tank about the size of England. I can’t remember the exact measurements but we were taught about it during university… there’s a website somewhere with the enclosure sizes required for each animal.

@Quasi22 not sure many of us would eat leather

@ClareBlue

How many animals have gone extinct because we eat them? How many animals have gone extinct because we have destroyed, polluted, built on their habitats? Non meat eating diet that provides protein at affordable prices? Not to the entitled well off people who judge those who have limited choices and eat intensively produced meat to feed their children. The luxury of sitting in judgement. The biggest threat to animals on our planet is the self entitled middle class consumers who won't wait for a bus because they are too busy, or have to eat food that is grown in the Ivory Coast. Well that's what my goats say. I wouldn't say that because I will get hate. Goats can handle hate and genuinely don't give AF. As the most consumed meat in the world they seem to be pretty cool about life, to be honest.

Plenty of affordable protein sources, it's cheaper to eat vegetarian than it is to eat even processed meat, but again if they eat meat not an issue- but if they try and justify how its beneficial for the animals and all sorts of ridiculous claims about how they'd be extinct otherwise etc then that's silly.

or choose slaughter houses that are humane. There's nothing humane about slaughter.

I eat meat, I've killed animals. There's nothing humane in it. Ever.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tabbacus like i said some have medical reasons and a vegan diet would be very hard and some people cannot afford a good varied vegan diet
We have been omnivores for years [/quote]
I wasn't criticising eating meat though, but the trying to say it was beneficial to the animals and false claims about how no one could est otherwise as we'd run out of food.

@Quasi22 I remember when we did have killer whales and dolphins in captivity in the uk though
I think we were one of the first to get rid off though
Other european countries have them in captivity though not just seaworld
Although i think they are going away but its now china etc

• I wouldn’t wear leather. I certainly wouldn’t eat it!!

@Tabbacus i never said it was beneficial your twisting words to suit your narrative , what I said is that it wouldn't be a simple answer to stop eating meat and all suffering would stop and all animals saved
Re : cheaper sorry no I don't think it is
If your talking quorn wtc i don't think thats much better than a chicken nugget
Almond milk etc expensive and also pretty destructive

@Tabbacus I also
Never said we would run out of food
What i said was we would need more space tp grow crops etc and who do you thinks habitat would be sacrificed for that

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tabbacus i never said it was beneficial your twisting words to suit your narrative , what I said is that it wouldn't be a simple answer to stop eating meat and all suffering would stop and all animals saved
Re : cheaper sorry no I don't think it is
If your talking quorn wtc i don't think thats much better than a chicken nugget
Almond milk etc expensive and also pretty destructive
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I think a lot is lack of understanding of nutrition, plenty of cheap sources of protein beyond fake meat.

@worriedatthemoment
I’m under 25 so I don’t remember. Unless my parents never took me to see them?
I completely agree that keeping whales in captivity is disgusting. I think we are still keeping animals that will later be banned but we’re trying. Madrid zoo had bears in a tiny enclosure when I visited when I was 15. They were either trained or ex-circus animals as there were doing tricks as members of the public threw food to them. I tried to say something with my GCSE Spanish although I’m not sure I made much sense. I assumed I did as I got abuse back. I also reported to the zoo at the time.
I then asked my Spanish teacher to help me write an email to the zoo and to leave a review.

Zoos are not perfect here but we are better than most. I hope by working with them we can improve them more. I don’t want animals to be solely for entertainment but they also need to raise money. I am not sure of the answer.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tabbacus I also
Never said we would run out of food
What i said was we would need more space tp grow crops etc and who do you thinks habitat would be sacrificed for that [/quote]
We wouldn't though, there's plenty of reputable resources to research from if you're interested.

@Quasi22 im a fair bit older than you and I only just remember
Monkey world has lots of monkeys ( obviously lol) that have come from pet homes and circuses / street acts
Its so sad to see what they have been through but the place seems to do a lot of good from what i can tell
Not far from us se have some dolphins that seem to be hanging around and im hoping to one day catch a glimpse of them in the wild that would be amazing

@Tabbacus To be honest im
Not ready to give up meat yet
Im happy to reduce my consumption and all for some different non meat recipes that aren't the usual nutroast and def any other types of protein ideas other than meat , quorn etc