To think many animal lovers are total hypocrites

[coatilove]

I actually dislike majority of animals, I didn't grow up with them have never had a special relationship with any and have no interest in them at all.

However, I watched a documentary on Netflix tonight called blackfish and I cannot understand how killer whales are being held in captivity and made millions of pounds and so called 'animal lovers' go to watch them and swim with them?

As someone who dislikes animals it still makes me sick to my stomach to see an animal in captivity and I could never pay to support BS like sea world - so how can animal lovers do it?

How do animal lovers eat animals? Or go to zoos?

It baffles me, AIBU?

@GetInThereLewis

PodgePie honestly, high welfare don't mean shit. I have worked in a processing plant on the 'kill line' and the high welfare stood next to the factory farmed stock. They looked no better cared for either. These words are used to remove guilt and to make the public feel like they are trying.

Yep, there are no '"nice" slaughter houses. All animals go to the same place. The extra money you pay for free range etc is what happens long before that.

There are many animals though you might not love them all
I don't love cows so can eat one , I love dolphins so wouldn't want to eat one
I don't eat deer or rabbit either as always had pet rabbits and love bambi
Zoos have their place in conservation at times , keeping orcas captive is wrong although impossible to release just like that
I would love to see a dolphin and could of on holiday in a park but would rather wait for the chance to see in the wild

Plus we can all decide for ourselves if we are animal lovers or not
We don't hate other animals because they eat other Animals do we
We see it as the food chain ,

My dh asked me why it's ok to eat meat but not wear fur (assuming it was ethically raised and killed). Being a vegetarian who doesn't see meat as food, I wasn't quite sure how to answer him.

@worriedatthemoment

Plus we can all decide for ourselves if we are animal lovers or not We don't hate other animals because they eat other Animals do we We see it as the food chain ,

The difference is that predators in the wild don’t have a choice and need to eat meat to survive as they can’t go to Tesco for alternatives.

It is a choice for a human to eat meat or diary, we have a lot of alternatives

Of course you can be non-vegetarian and still love animals. If early humans only consumed a vegetarian diet we would still have brains like giraffes. Eating meat protein was essential to our evolution.

Absolutely, the hypocritical meat eaters with fight you to death before admitting that they are contributing to the pain that animals face whilst being slaughtered and how they are damaging the environment. They will never take accountability, well I am yet to see one. They will argue with you till they are red in the face that there is no pain caused to animals and it’s not a big deal. Then they get really outraged if a human is killed by a tiger for example due to their own fault. People really need to take responsibility but no one wants to give up their beloved steak and chicken nuggets. No point arguing with these people set in their ways. At least the younger generation is more aware.

The difference is that predators in the wild don’t have a choice and need to eat meat to survive as they can’t go to Tesco for alternatives

It is a choice for a human to eat meat or diary, we have a lot of alternatives

As humans, we do try and humanely slaughter our food animals.

If you Reddit, have a look at r/natureismetal

Animals don't give a fuck.

I'm an animal lover. I dont like animals in captivity so therefore don't go to zoos etc. I think part of the reason why people do is due to lack of education on the subject. They don't understand just how bad captivity, even large zoo enclosures, can be for animals. It doesn't mean that they don't love animals though, nor are they deliberately being hypocritical.

Humanely slaughter.. another rubbish way of taking no responsibility as if it’s any better lol

You’re killing animals humanely or otherwise.

But plenty of 'animal lovers' consume products that by manufacturing them destroy habitats of animals that lead to them unable to survive. It's not quite as simple as I'm not eating a dead animal or going to a zoo.
I hear all the time 'I don't like seeing animals in captivity' whilst the same person will consume to extent where the animals can not live outside captivity.

@Dashel some predators could live off non meat though they just also choose not too
We are all allowed a choice and out bodies are set up as omnivores , some people really cannot have a vegatarian diet
And do you really think all animals would be saved if we All went veggie we would need the land to grow more and be in competition with animals for the space
Also why would anyone breed certain animals when not needed for food they would be left to become extinct
Its too simplistic to think if we all gave up meat no animal would ever suffer again
Also people shouldn't preach there beliefs we can make our own choices
Don't sit their thinking no animal has ever suffered for you to eat something veggie or not

@user93948921

Absolutely, the hypocritical meat eaters with fight you to death before admitting that they are contributing to the pain that animals face whilst being slaughtered and how they are damaging the environment. They will never take accountability, well I am yet to see one. They will argue with you till they are red in the face that there is no pain caused to animals and it’s not a big deal. Then they get really outraged if a human is killed by a tiger for example due to their own fault. People really need to take responsibility but no one wants to give up their beloved steak and chicken nuggets. No point arguing with these people set in their ways. At least the younger generation is more aware.

Eh? How can any meat eater say there's no pain in slaughter? Of course there is. I don't think I've ever seen anyone argue differently.

And whilst I do see a difference between an animal killed for sport and then discarded and an animal killed for food, I don't think one is murder and the other not.

Dave to the environment is relative though, cows (milk and beef) = bad. Almonds, also bad.

@HeronLanyon

I was driving through regents park recently and suddenly saw some giraffes. Had forgotten the zoo was even there. Have never seen one in real life. A second of astonishment tuned quickly into sadness about the zoo, what we do to animals, that they were trapped there having to see my car driving by and others every day of their miserable lives. Awful.

Well as your car is destroying the natural environment that their cousin live in, I would say they are pretty pissed off with you

@Hoppinggreen

I don’t go to zoos etc but I do eat meat occasionally. Funnily enough I was talking to a vegetarian friend about my volunteer work at a local wildlife rescue and she said “yuk, I could never do that” I asked her what she would do if she found an animal in distress and she said “don’t know, nothing” So who is the animal lover? Her or me?

The one who doesn't contribute to the demand for the slaughter of animals and doesn't feast on their flesh. Hope that helps.

Well said @worriedatthemoment

Love animals, hate the idea of domesticating them for pets or keeping them locked up in zoos.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Dashel some predators could live off non meat though they just also choose not too
We are all allowed a choice and out bodies are set up as omnivores , some people really cannot have a vegatarian diet
And do you really think all animals would be saved if we All went veggie we would need the land to grow more and be in competition with animals for the space
Also why would anyone breed certain animals when not needed for food they would be left to become extinct
Its too simplistic to think if we all gave up meat no animal would ever suffer again
Also people shouldn't preach there beliefs we can make our own choices
Don't sit their thinking no animal has ever suffered for you to eat something veggie or not [/quote]
These same tired arguments get trotted out time and time again, if you eat meat just admit you enjoy eating dead animals because you like the taste or whatever.

Interested who these people are that can't have a veggie diet in the developed world, beyond choosing not to (not judging but no need to falsely justify it just say yeah their death is worth it to me). Animals eat a load of crops and take up a fair amount of space, there would still be enough food for humans and animals if we weren't artificially overbreeding them. Do all animals we don't eat become extinct? No. There just wouldn't be such numbers but they also wouldn't be living in shitty conditions, often separated from their parents when young, and then killed to end up wrapped nicely in the supermarket.

Zoos have changed a lot OP.
They no longer take animals from the wild to put in cages. Many only keep animals that needed rescuing, and did not adapt to get back to the wild, species that need protection, animals that have been taken from trafficking.
They do a much better work of protecting animals and species than the old versions.
It is sad to see some of the species that need big territories, or lots of interaction, they look sad. On that I agree. I wish all of them could make it back to reserves in their natural habitats, but let's face it, many of them are in troubled numbers back on their countries of origin due to poaching, safaris and so on.

Humans are animals too. So about eating meat (though me personally I have reduced to almost zero how much I eat), I will never judge another human for taking their place in the food change. Wasting meat though is something that I cannot cope with.
I do love my pet cats. They are members of our family. We treat them well, and I see no harm in sharing warm place, food, and cuddles with them.

@GetInThereLewis

PodgePie honestly, high welfare don't mean shit. I have worked in a processing plant on the 'kill line' and the high welfare stood next to the factory farmed stock. They looked no better cared for either. These words are used to remove guilt and to make the public feel like they are trying.

I know enough farmers to know this isn’t the case. And before you suggest otherwise - these are farmers who either arrange on site slaughter or choose slaughter houses that are humane.

@Tabbacus its a fact not a tired argument and I don't have to justify or admit anything to you
Im a grown adult and can accept others can make different choices to me without name calling and petty insults

[quote worriedatthemoment]@Tabbacus its a fact not a tired argument and I don't have to justify or admit anything to you
Im a grown adult and can accept others can make different choices to me without name calling and petty insults[/quote]
Where did I name call or make petty insults?

@Tabbacus I think a fair few animals have become extinct or are verging on and thats not due to eating them
Palm oil - how many animals have died from that , think it features in vegetarian foods does it not
Yes i like some meats and enjoy it I wouldn't eat any food I don't like would I , i also have meat free days if I feel like it

How do you come to that conclusion then? Animals don't die for my diet.

Animals will die regardless of your diet. Small animals die in fields when crops are harvested, insects are killed due to pesticides. Animals are killed when their homes are destroyed to make way for whatever is the new super food that cannot be grown in the UK. Animals die because of the runoff from manmade pesticides. Microplastics are released when people wash non natural materials. Animals due due to the lack of water because cotton is a water hungry crop.

The only really ethical diet would be to cleanly kill a wild animal, like a deer and use every part of it or growing your own food.

chill out, who cares?
some love animals more than people, so what?
some love people more than animals, so what?
Some love both, so what?
Some also realise we are all animals and life is a kaleidoscope of beauty and terror. We are all gonna die, just fuck it off.