How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

@kittykutty

This is the tragedy. I can see why wealthy people vote Tory - but some of the most disadvantaged are voting for a party that hates them and makes their lives worse, over and over.

It's not a tragedy for people to have different values. A Christian or Muslim is more aligned to the Conservative party. Someone who came migrated and worked hard might not support free everything for everyone (and I don't mean funding the welfare system, I mean the ludicrous policies put out by Labour). Not all non white people are poor. Not all working class people are on benefits, and feel Labour doesn't represent them. I'm not surprised the white working class vote Tory in the slightest

I dislike the "I feel sorry" idea because it's so patronising. People have their reasons, assuming people are naive and uneducated or whatever never goes down well in trying to persuade them

This is a good point - and I see my reasoning can come across as patronising - but it really isn't meant to be.
I know as well as anyone how counter productive it is slagging off others views or even right to take a different view. I am just genuinely (not in some snobby faux manner) puzzled about how the Tories are able to appeal to people who's lives are genuinely made worse by Tory policies.

They don’t want their elderly mother being called a bigot because she objects to a trans woman carer;

It was the Conservative party who, not Labour, started the review of the GRA. Their starting point was TWAW. They are very good at exploiting fears. Look at woke, antisemitic Labour. Don't look at the woke, antisemitic legistlation that the Conservative party are passing.

I am just genuinely (not in some snobby faux manner) puzzled about how the Tories are able to appeal to people who's lives are genuinely made worse by Tory policies

Because the alternatives at the moment are even worse. There's plenty of labour voters who eventually felt forced to put their X in the Tory box. Because labour no longer represents or cares about those people and the difficulties they face in life anymore. It mystifies me how labour supporters simply do not understand why they needed to do that.

Because Labour only cares about patronising and pitying people, identity politics and metropolitan middle class opinions. You seem to have to be ideologically pure to be a Labour supporter while Tories don’t care how you think.

I am in a financial position that if I voted Conservative I would be better off financially but I would still never vote for them. I care about the people in poverty and will be researching both labour and Liberal Democrat’s manifestos and should I be financially worse off I don’t really care. I will always care about the less fortunate and do everything I/we can to help in anyway possible. I would never ever vote Tory.

I would have had to start packing my bags if Jeremy Corbyn had got into power. Never ever felt fear like it.

I didn't vote Tory either, for the record.

What Corbyn policies made you feel so afraid @OnlyAFleshWound?

I live in Scotland and vote Tory as a tactical vote against the SNP.

I'm Jewish @toobigformyboots

It was less the policies and more the gangs of antisemitic corbynites gathering outside my kids' school, the racist graffiti all over our local area, the gaslighting, mocking and abuse of Jews within the CLP, and the constant promotion and celebration of the most blatant and virulent antisemitism ever seen in this country.

Also I'm fucking sick of being gaslit about it by Corbyn supporters AND I'm going out now so please don't bother telling me I'm lying or mistaken about my actual life.

OnlyAFleshWound

That sounds terrifying @OnlyAFleshWound. WTF were they doing outside a school?

[quote onlychildhamster]@RunningInTheWind erm I am Jewish too. I am just pointing out that this law affects people with dual nationality/foreign parents and Jews are more likely than the average white brit to have those.[/quote]
Ignorant!!!! I’m Jewish- my mother and father were both born here - but don’t worry you have beautifully highlighted the subtle anti Semitic rhetoric and how it beautifully seeps through our society

@OnlyFoolsnMothers, I am British, as are my parents, grandparents and great grandparents. None of that matters though, I have the potential for dual citizenship, so I'm now 2nd Tier British with a special law/punishment that doesn't apply to everyone.

[quote TooBigForMyBoots]@OnlyFoolsnMothers, I am British, as are my parents, grandparents and great grandparents. None of that matters though, I have the potential for dual citizenship, so I'm now 2nd Tier British with a special law/punishment that doesn't apply to everyone.[/quote]
I don’t welcome the presumption that it affects Jews

@OnlyFoolsnMothers Just because you don't have foreign parents doesn't mean other people don't...I mean, my DH was born here too, but his mum wasn't...Most Jews in my social circle are dual nationals. Honestly, given that my DH is a tay sachs carrier, it was probably best that he expand his dating pool as far as possible to include people from other countries.

But to be fair, many londoners probably do have dual nationality. Boris Johnson had dual nationality until he revoked his american citizenship.

But it does affect Jews. And black, brown, asian British, people with a foreign grandparent or spouse and the population of NI.

My stating this is not antisemitic, its fucking scary that this legislation exists at all.

I don’t welcome the presumption that it affects Jews

It's not a presumption. It affects anyone with the ability to obtain alternative citizenship and that - by definition - includes all Jews. The Law of Return in Israel grants all Jews that right as well as those with at least one Jewish grandparent or anyone married to a Jew.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers you might not welcome it, but it would still affect a significant proportion of the Jewish community. there are no stats for this but any descendants of holocaust survivors from germany would be eligible for german citizenship. Children of people who made aliyah/from israel. Children of people who married americans, french. It might just be my social circle though, I am not from a 'traditional' background which i acknowledge could be more 'Anglo'; the people i know tend to be either Reform or orthodox, and a lot of them have either lived in several different countries or married foreigners. Many of them send their young adult children to israel where they often meet people from other countries. my SIL currently has a flatshare in tel aviv with Argentinian jews who barely speak any english; they are all female but in such an interntional environment, the chance is high that she will meet someone who isn't british and her future child would be a dual national.

@kittykutty I'm still mystified how anyone who is genuinely Christian can vote for the Tories, given their amazing levels of support for things like the poor, disabled, ill, and otherwise indisposed; decent education for those from less well-off backgrounds; and social care, to name just a few. I'm now agnostic, but always thought true Christianity was rather more than trotting along to church of a Sunday in a fancy hat and your best bib and tucker. ;)

I also genuinely don't get the cognitive dissonance displayed by a "Tory Christian" who trots along to dispense vittels to the poor at the foodbank once a week but doesn't get that their voting choices are part of the reason those foodbanks are necessary in the first place.

Because labour no longer represents or cares about those people and the difficulties they face in life anymore.

Go on, expand, Beckert. What difficulties does Labour not care about and please give examples of how the Conservatives care about said difficulties?

I suspect you read too many Tory fanzines which appears to be where a lot of people on MN get their 'information' and opinions from.

@TooBigForMyBoots

But it does affect Jews. And black, brown, asian British, people with a foreign grandparent or spouse and the population of NI.

My stating this is not antisemitic, its fucking scary that this legislation exists at all.

Of course it’s anti Semitic - the first pressumption that a British Jew was naturalised or dual nationality is a nice way of saying “you aren’t British”. It’s not difficult to understand, I am a British Jew, I am fully British- my husband is British through naturalisation, he was not born British and if he committed a terrorist attack could be stripped of being British.

@OnlyFoolsnMothers see even your husband could be affected by it. If you asked random mumsnetters how many people have DHs who were not born in the UK, it would be a minority..but for us Jews, it is a very large proportion who would be either affected personally or whose immediate family would be affected...

I suggest you should be angry at the Tories for writing and passing this bill rather than angry at a poster for pointing it out to you.

You all keep saying Corbyn. But what exactly is it about him that 'made' you vote conservatives?

These events should not preclude looking after your children properly