How do people keep voting in the tories?

[chaosmaker]

I'd love it if tory voters could say why they vote the way they do given that there's ample evidence for how utterly incompetent they are (11 years). Especially in the last election. With that not-fit-for-purpose idiot in charge - edited by MNHQ
I also keep writing to my MP saying that if they are going to pretend we have democracy then they need to scrap FPTP.

AIBU that we should allow people with no sense to vote or
AINBU am I right in that people should have to factor history and rare sense into their decision making?

@XingMing When you're talking about diabetes prevention programmes, do you mean something like this kind of thing? preventing-diabetes.co.uk/

And yes, it would be great if all parents could take responsibility for children's health, education and well-being, but life happens. Illness happens. People lose jobs. Parents die. Stock markets crash. (And once upon a time, houses weren't cash machines.) Partners die. Kids get diagnosed with chronic conditions. And that was all before the pandemic. Those who haven't experienced any of these in their own lives have been very, very lucky.

I'm still mystified that, despite all the evidence to the contrary, Tory supporters persist in believing that they're going to keep their promises about anything from "Levelling Up" to not flogging off the NHS to their wealthy mates on the other side of the Atlantic. And again, no, I don't think the NHS is perfect, and yes, parts of it need restructuring; but I can't help anticipating the buyers' regret once we've moved over to a US style system (which, let's face it, is the most probable outcome - it's highly unlikely we'll be looking at a French, German, or Japanese model here).

Nor is the clown act working any more. Every comedian has their day and people no longer find him funny. He is the Man Without Qualities. The lies are no longer believable and the jokes are far too tired to paper over the cracks. Johnson’s japes about the parties not being parties and the rules being obeyed at all time (wink) lie face down, dead in the water. He has lost all trust, all credibility. His lies and cover-ups are an insult to all those who bothered to follow the regulations. Worst of all, he doesn’t even realise he’s the author of his own downfall. Inspector Clueless

The Guardian

If he has a talent, it’s a talent for lying. And while it may have cost him countless relationships and friendships, it has taken him all the way to Downing Street. Put simply, he has become prime minister by lying better than all the other contenders for the job. But now he has run out of road and the lies have caught up with him. He’s the cartoon villain hopelessly spinning his legs before plunging into the abyss. Brexit has failed to deliver any of its promised rewards and inflation, at more than 5%, is far higher than wage growth. No matter how Boris tries to spin it, people are feeling more broke by the week
The Guardian.

And just to remind all how ridiculously embarrassing this bloke is as a PM

I vote Conservative to make sure that the current Labour government doesn't come in to power.

We don't have a current Labour government. The Conservatives have been the government for more than a decade.

Voting Conservative is voting for a Conservative leadership under a Conservative PM. It's not a down tick for Labour on reddit.

Where I live, there is a higher than average percentage of people who are Jewish. There was no possibility of a Labour candidate being elected whilst the appeaser of anti-semitism Jeremy Corbyn was leader.

Boris Johnson's Conservative government have brought in legislation that makes it easier to deprive citizenship to British Jews (anyone with potential dual nationality and/or a "foreign" granny). Can you imagine the outcry if JC proposed this? BJ has made it law. He is no friend of British Jews.

What on Earth do you mean? I’m Jewish because it’s in my DNA - not because I hold a mythical passport to “Jew Land”. are you seriously othering British Jews by suggesting they’re not “really” British?

Boris Johnson's Conservative government have brought in legislation that makes it easier to deprive citizenship to British Jews (anyone with potential dual nationality and/or a "foreign" granny). Can you imagine the outcry if JC proposed this?fshock BJ has made it law.fsad He is no friend of British Jews huh!!? I’m Jewish, I was not naturalised, I’m British by birth

I think Boris has transpired to be a rubbish PM (and that's from a loyal Conservative voter). I thought May was a diligent public servant though lacked the necessary skills/power to unite her divided party. I also respect her for staying on the back benches, which not all PMs' egos allow them to do.

But the one compliment I'll give the bumbling fool is that he did seem to be able to somewhat charm the European leaders on occasions. I recall him having Merkel in fits of laughter (could be with him, could be at him...). Might be due to his language prowess, but he seemed better able to connect with them than May. Leaving Brexit out of it, just on a personal level.

@Newcomer68

And yes, it would be great if all parents could take responsibility for children's health, education and well-being, but life happens. Illness happens. People lose jobs. Parents die. Stock markets crash. (And once upon a time, houses weren't cash machines.) Partners die. Kids get diagnosed with chronic conditions. And that was all before the pandemic. Those who haven't experienced any of these in their own lives have been very, very lucky.

These life events are unusual and exceptional. I believe the vast majority of if parents can and should be wholly responsible for looking after, feeding and properly raising their children. I'm astounded that this is a controversial view in today's society.

These life events are unusual and exceptional. I believe the vast majority of if parents can and should be wholly responsible for looking after, feeding and properly raising their children. I'm astounded that this is a controversial view in today's society including healthcare and education?

No doubt said by someone who has never ventured beyond the home counties

Another variation on "you don't vote Labour, you must be thick".

Still such an appealing message.

Labour won't get back into power until it ceases to be in thrall to middle class lefties who smugly "know" what is best for working class voters and are obsessed with identity politics.

@mellongoose circumstances leading to a change in public support requirements can change very quickly.

My young son had an autistic breakdown (I didn't know what that was at the time). An extreme crisis that happened very quickly.

There was no immediate medical support at all, nothing. An "emergency" Camhs referral (rarer than hens teeth to get) took 4 months.

Thankfully due to peer support groups I was able to find support, legal advice and eventually private assessment and support. I could not and should not have done this alone as to begin with, I had no knowledge of Sen.

I consider us lucky, private assessment, research skills etc meant we swam (flailing more like!) rather than sank. That I wasn't prosecuted for my son's absence.

Others are not so "lucky" - 3 year waiting lists for assessment lead to suspected neurodivergent children not having their needs met in school, often absent. Their parents prosecuted. There are 20,000 people in one support group. There are many support groups.

Your view isn't contraversial really, it's quite populist. But it isn't correct.

These life events are unusual and exceptional

Parents dying is not exceptional, its something we all have to face. Women also generally outlive partners.

You may not know families who have lost jobs, dealt with serious illness etc but I'd struggle to point to a single family of my acquaintance who hasn't experienced both at some stage of life.

@TooBigForMyBoots

I vote Conservative to make sure that the current Labour government doesn't come in to power.

We don't have a current Labour government. The Conservatives have been the government for more than a decade.

Voting Conservative is voting for a Conservative leadership under a Conservative PM. It's not a down tick for Labour on reddit.

Where I live, there is a higher than average percentage of people who are Jewish. There was no possibility of a Labour candidate being elected whilst the appeaser of anti-semitism Jeremy Corbyn was leader.

Boris Johnson's Conservative government have brought in legislation that makes it easier to deprive citizenship to British Jews (anyone with potential dual nationality and/or a "foreign" granny). Can you imagine the outcry if JC proposed this? BJ has made it law. He is no friend of British Jews.

If you're not a terrorist and you haven't obtained your passport fraudulently then this won't be an issue. Perhaps don't misrepresent the facts

@C8H10N4O2

These life events are unusual and exceptional

Parents dying is not exceptional, its something we all have to face. Women also generally outlive partners.

You may not know families who have lost jobs, dealt with serious illness etc but I'd struggle to point to a single family of my acquaintance who hasn't experienced both at some stage of life.

These events should not preclude looking after your children properly. Hard as it is.

@rosiemanchester

Very unpopular opinion.... I loved Jeremy Corbyn. He was abit of radicalism that I think would have done the uk a world of good

Me too - at last someone and some policies that weren’t just Tory lite.

I know lots of people from all walks of life. As do most people. Again, I get that circumstances change quickly and dramatically. Hardship is real.

But (and again I cannot understand why this point is controversial) parents being responsible for their children should be the most important priority. Society has a place in helping parents, but children are the responsibility of parents.

@Overthebow

Because I’d rather conservatives than labour being in power. I agree with their general principals and the majority of their manifestos, more than I agree with other parties. In other words, the best of a bad bunch.

This ^^

And the Corbin manifesto wouldn’t be out of place in most European or Scandinavian countries - but here people run away screaming in terror - ridiculous.

Corbyn - of course, curse autocorrect on my phone.

@mellongoose you really think that all of those things a PP listed are "exceptional"?

[quote helpadvicewhateverneeded]@mellongoose you really think that all of those things a PP listed are "exceptional"? [/quote]
Do disagree that parents stop being responsible when these horrible things happen?

And the Corbin manifesto wouldn’t be out of place in most European or Scandinavian countries - but here people run away screaming in terror - ridiculous.

Quite.

@RunningInTheWind

What on Earth do you mean? I’m Jewish because it’s in my DNA - not because I hold a mythical passport to “Jew Land”. are you seriously othering British Jews by suggesting they’re not “really” British?

Not me, the Conservative government.

If you're not a terrorist and you haven't obtained your passport fraudulently then this won't be an issue. Perhaps don't misrepresent the facts.

The language is very woolly. One of the reasons you can be denied your citizenship is "glorifying terrorism" and that's open to all sorts of interpretation.

If in doubt, blame Corbyn.

It’s because people wanted Brexit to be finalised when we last had an election 2 years ago, that was at the forefront of people’s minds. Even some life long labour supporters voted Tory just to get Brexit over and done with. People thought Boris was a bit of a laugh as well so that helped his agenda.

Corbyn was hugely popular with the younger generation and some of the older too, I certainly liked him anyway.