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To wonder if our children would be the ‘poor’ ones at private school

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Changethefloorthroughout · 11/12/2021 19:56

DH and I have a good joint income of over £100,000 and I’m seriously considering private school for our children.

A worry for me is if they are surrounded by children from much wealthier backgrounds if they would feel ‘poor’. I’m just posting for thoughts from people who know a bit more about the independent system than me.

OP posts:
alh26 · 12/12/2021 08:17

Hi - I'm 27 and went to a private boarding school age 11 onwards. My dad was a high earner and my mum didn't have an income. My dad for sure was over £100k but honestly couldn't tell you how much but he certainly wasn't ridiculously high. We lived in a nice 5 bedroom big countryside home in the heart of a village but by no means a mansion. Private school the whole of our childhood, at least 2 family holidays a year and enjoyed nice things but we still didn't have majority of things others had.

A lot of the girls at my school had another property, either a holiday home or a flat in London, or both! Large houses, horses, given a car at 18, christmas in Mauritius or verbier etc. I did notice some differences like when we left uni I went to live and work in London and I was earning my first salary and paying rent! A lot of them didn't have to pay rent because they lived in their parents flats (some still do 6 years later Shock). But I had a fab life, we were by no means poor and had what others would describe as a luxury lifestyle but a lot of my friends had more but that was fine. I prefer to have mine, it made me appreciate how hard my dad worked to give us that as children and how I probably took it for granted at the time. My own money has never meant so much to me and I hope one day I can give my children the same.

My advice would be if you want to send them to private, then do. If you can afford it they won't feel poor. But be prepared for them to be invited on lavish holidays with friends families and be taken out to very nice restaurants with their friends parents. They will be exposed to a different lifestyle. I saw many things on holidays and at parties with friends families (drugs, hookers, copious amounts of alcohol, really derogatory language). It was eye opening and they're not afraid to show off.

My partner and I currently have a good joint income of over 120k, we are 27 and 29 and I already know that I won't be sending our children to boarding school.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 12/12/2021 08:17

Actually I want to add to my original statement:

My secondary school was boarding and it really was for the obscenely rich in the main. Oligarch’s children, foreign royalty, counts etc. I did feel very left out in lots of ways (and actually we were by that point pretty well off by most standards) BUT I do actually have to say 100% of my hang ups can be traced back to my mother absolutely freaking out/fixating on our change of financial circumstance after my parent’s divorce snd focusing on money SO much. If her attitude had been a lot more relaxed about it I really don’t think I would have minded - so many other people didn't. DH was one of the richest at his public school (no mean feat) and I think there was potentially ribbing of some children with less but also not, depending on whether or not they liked them.

As a PP said, it really does depend on the school as well.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 12/12/2021 08:19

Also I’ve been wondering why everyone is going on about the “south east”, thinking that I lived in a place that’s notoriously fancy that I’ve believed my whole life to be the south west due to “south western rail”. Nope. South east. Don’t I feel silly 😬

Hormonehelp · 12/12/2021 08:26

I think your question is very valid. My parents didn’t send me for this exact reason when grandparents offered to pay the fees. They were concerned they couldn’t afford all the extras etc etc.

In short I stayed in a local comp where I was bullied and miserable. It has affected my adult personality and confidence.

I would send them if I could, just be realistic in realising some kids might have the latest gadget, the latest water bottle, a cooler new car and holidays non stop - but usually this is at the sacrifice of their parents time; Usually said parents are working endless hours and it doesn’t make the child a happier person.

You can explain to your child if they ever complain or feel inferior the importance of working hard, making friends and that having all the latest stuff isn’t what will make them happy in life.

I speak from experience now that your child might also get opportunities to go on holiday with their peers, enjoy fun days at their homes with pools and cinema rooms- but that the other children might also have just as much fun coming to your home which is full of love (and freshly baked cookies)!

SwumMum · 12/12/2021 08:27

I was a child at independent school with fees subsidised by grandparents and parents who sacrificed loads.

I hated it and I wish they'd made different decisions.

We never went abroad, ours cars always broken-down, any new clothes had to be my birthday or Christmas presents. Any invites to friends' houses caused mass anxiety, as did things like speech/prize giving day.

It's all very well saying the richer kids didn't care. I doubt they did. But I did. I hated it. They all went on multiple holidays a year, went skiing, went on planes, went abroad. I did none of those things. They all rode, had horses, or played tennis with their parents or swam in their pool at home etc. The gulf in cultural capital was massive.

I had to have a job through uni as there was no spare money from home. And I got next to no help with my wedding or house deposit.

None of my siblings were particularly happy at private school and all would have massively benefitted from help with housing.

It's not a decision I would dream of making unless I was so well off I didn't have to budget for it. If I could still save loads for their future, work part time and have the holidays off, take them on weekends away and interesting holidays the whole family enjoy and remember, have memberships to interesting places, support their education with extras...

On your salary (and the pp who said they're in half yours!!) there is no way I'd consider it.

KittyKattyFosterMummy · 12/12/2021 08:28

[quote NatriumChloride]@KittyKattyFosterMummyYou only have one child you’re putting through private school. OP has two.[/quote]
I thought I'd put it one of my other posts, but I didn't so have missed probably the most important part of my point, sorry, my fault entirely Blush my daughter is a boarder because until recently we lived overseas. So the fees are more than the 2 OP's.

GenderCriticalTrumpets · 12/12/2021 08:28

Mine most definitely was the poor kid and it really affected him. He got in on a bursary and my ex husband paid his fees. Just for instance when he passed his exams we gave him a bit of money but all his mates got brand new cars with personalised number plates.

Mind you, we don't earn anywhere near 100k

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 12/12/2021 08:31

find the people in my postcode who send their kids to end excellent local state school appear richer than some of them

🤨 well yes, of course they appear richer, they aren’t burning through money on school fees, that’s pretty basic/obvious.

@felulageller
We had years like that immediately after my parents divorced. I think it’s amazing what you’re doing and, speaking from experience, your children will thank you one day.

Newuser82 · 12/12/2021 08:39

My son has now been at a private school
For 5 years. I’m honestly not sure that any of his friends have been on a skiiing holiday!

user1471538283 · 12/12/2021 08:40

My DS went to a private school. He loved it and made life long friendships. There were a few who were very wealthy but most had a little bit more than us. He never felt any less than. A number of children were on scholarships.

But it was so expensive and then he went on all the trips. The beauty of the school was the headteacher who was adamant that intelligence is not related to income so the uniform was plain and affordable. The school didnt constantly ask for money for charity and stuff each week.

time2tork · 12/12/2021 08:43

It's ultimately your choice.

We chose to stop paying for private school, my kids go to a state school.

We have a big house and boat in a nice marina. My kids come home and their friends think we live on a different planet.

We are not rich at all but to some of the kids living in flats above shops we are.

Their private school friends all did sports on a weekend, some kind of music after school, we just weren't the same as those families.

My kids are so much happier around state school kids!

Dalalalada · 12/12/2021 08:44

The priorities when choosing a school are - is the teaching excellent? Do i have full confidence in the head teacher? Does the travel time fit with work and home?
Beyond that it is hit and hope. My kids are on a bursary at a private school and while i am well aware some parents aren't going to go out of their way to welcome me into their social circles, which is absolutely fine - the kids make friends on who they like, not what you've got.

Fifthtimelucky · 12/12/2021 08:46

I haven't read the whole thread, but we were in a similar position. We were not huge earners, but certainly not poor by normal standards.

We sent our children private from 11-18 and we were the least well off of all their friends' families (going by house size, number of houses, general lifestyle) but most of the children we came across didn't live in huge mansions, just bigger, nicer houses than ours. My children didn't find it an issue.

I suspect it very much depends on the school though. Mine were at an academically selective girls day school - in an area with a lot of possible independent schools to choose from. One of the reasons we didn't look at boarding schools was because I feared that they might be treated more as 'poor relations' there - but of course I might have been completely wrong about that.

Despite what a lot of people say about girls schools, I saw a lot more bitchiness at their state primary than I ever saw at the secondary.

jelliedeells · 12/12/2021 08:46

We would struggle to pay the fees on your income unless you live a very simple lifestyle. In terms of your dc feeling poor it depends.

Do you go on any holidays? Most do frequently at our independent prep and the dc would notice (but not care) if some never went anywhere. But I would imagine the dc who never went may feel different depending on their personality.

Trips at our school are literally added to your next invoice. I imagine you can opt out but no-one does. They’re not expensive, max £100 for an overnight stay but if that seems expensive you may want to rethink. Kids go skiing etc but we have both skied in the past and don’t like it! We could afford it but don’t want to go. Things like this really don’t matter!

Lots wear second hand uniform, no one cares or notices. We have the odd old car and the odd really flashy car in the car park but on the whole it’s newish range rovers/Volvos/Audis/Mercedes etc.

We have a small detached house but a larger than average disposable income and can easily keep up with associated costs without worrying about it. Think carefully about if you want to be counting the pennies and budgeting so cautiously. That is what your dc will notice and what might make them feel ‘poor’. Our dc have started to notice everyone else lives in much bigger houses and it is a little intimidating at first but I got over that quite quickly and the dc just observe they’re not asking why we don’t live in a massive house. Obviously as they get older that may change.

If you are always worried about the next invoice or calculating if they can afford a music or sports lesson they’ll notice that and may also end up feeling guilty. It depends on your local state schools as to whether it’s worth the sacrifice in the end.

Nodancingshoes · 12/12/2021 08:46

My sisters kids go to private school and she earns alot less than you. Depends on the school really. We live in an area with some of the top private schools in the country but her kids go to a 'mid range' one so not a problem. If they went to the one of thr top ones, then things would be different

mallees · 12/12/2021 08:47

[quote OnceuponaRainbow18]@Changethefloorthroughout

Because talking about earning more than £100k a year and using the word poor in the same sentence is ridiculous.[/quote]
Ok, perhaps the word ׳poor' is antagonising when talking about 100K+ income and private schools, but the OP is completely entitled to discuss this, and if you feel this is not relevant to you then you don't have to participate.

it's more about how much cash you actually have at the end of the month, and where you are you in life.. big mortgage and school fees will not leave you with much spare for holidays abroad and other fancy things.... which is what you will see around you.. many of the kids will have the latest phones, massive cars and go on lots of holidays.. your child will take notice.

OP, We are in the same situation.. DD in private school, joint income 100K+ but we have far less money then a lot of her friends and also "behind" on having a the lovely grand finished house like many of her friends at school. Our house is far smaller and needs a lot of work, and I think she is conscious of that. But not everyone is like that. Her school is actually quite mixed and she made friends with different type of girls, and she is happy. But I do wonder sometime if she is jealous or sad she doesn't have the same things.. she does tell me stories about so and so bedroom and how lover it is...

I also think she is sometime not that comfortable inviting her friends over..

I would like to think that we brought our kids believing that money is not everything but I am sure she feels different.

Hoppinggreen · 12/12/2021 08:53

Depends on the school.
I went to Private school on a full scholarship and never felt poor but we did have quite a large house (which was talking down). However, when we looked at schools for DD we visited my old school and the vibe was very different so we ruled it out
We picked another one which seemed more diverse (as much as a Private school can be) and the DCs friends parents tend to be Accountants, teachers, business owners etc rather than Bankers and Oligarchs, although being in Yorkshire there aren’t many of those around anyway.
We earn around the same as you OP and we have more money than some and less than others but it doesn’t seem to matter. I remember bumping into a family from school at the airport once - they were flying Emirates first class to Dubai and then the Maldives while we were flying easyJet to Greece. Nobody cared
So if your kids are made to feel like the poor kids at Private school you picked the wrong school

Changethefloorthroughout · 12/12/2021 08:53

Thank you for your replies. Really insightful and interesting.

There’s an interesting gulf between the incredulity that we could even think about private school on our income and that we consider ourselves poor (which we don’t.) So there are clearly private schools and private schools. I’m a novice to this. However I note Eton charges nearly £15,000 per term, so just under £45,000 a year. Clearly that wouldn’t be affordable on our income. However I do think there’s a huge difference between boarding and day anyway - I wouldn’t want my children to board even if somewhere like Eton was a possibility.

I’m also surprised people assume that because I’m not on the south east I live up north Hmm

OP posts:
WombatChocolate · 12/12/2021 09:05

My experience of this, is it is largely determined by the attitude and confidence of the parent themselves, not their income.

I’ve known families with impressive incomes who ‘feel poor’ in the context if their independent school. They notice what others have all the time and constantly compare. They vocalise their feelings about money and talk about the price if everything people have from houses to shoes to cars. Their kids quickly take this on board too and notice what other kids have and what they don’t have and it becomes an issue. This is often at attitude from those who lack confidence. For whatever reason the parents have a bit of ‘imposter syndrome’ and feel they don’t belong or fit in or deserve their place at the school. It might occur because of their own background which really wasn’t well off or their education level or job, or just general lack of confidence.

Equally I’ve known others who really did have much lower incomes than most, for whom this really wasn’t an issue at all. The parents were bright and confident. They would talk to anyone and held their own socially. Money wasn’t something they constantly thought about and they were happy in their own skins. They understood their own financial position, didn’t aspire to do things (trips) they couldn’t afford and weren’t ashamed of their financial position. Consequently their children didn’t think of money as a big thing. That doesn’t mean they had no awareness of differences, but it wasn’t a big deal. These kids had loads of friends….they were likeable children that other kids were drawn to some were good at sport or another activity and honestly money wasn’t an isssue.

As for other families, in my experience of several schools, most people aren’t as crass as to talk about money or to leave people out. Where it has been the case or where individuals have, it’s not usually the top or most affluent schools, but the ones people choose precisely because the fees are lower, and hardly anyone is exceptionally well off. Often it’s those people who are most aspirational and compare most, because for many of them, fees are a struggle and a big deal.

The bigger the name and longer the history of the school, the. Ore likely it is to have a big foundation behind it which funds substantial bursaries. There will be more children on bursaries from a wider range of backgrounds. There are always staff children in discounted places and in many big schools up to 25% or more are receiving some form of fee discount, even if it’s a small scholarship rather than large bursary.

In the end, parental attitudes rub off on kids. If you are someone who compares and will feel worried about it or inferior in any way because you have less money or a smaller house, then maybe it’s not for you. That would be a shame because this stuff is mostly in peoples heads rather than reality.

puppup25 · 12/12/2021 09:06

Speaking as someone who works in a private school, 40% of pupils have parents in the £100 - £150k bracket. Unless you're talking high-end school e.g Harrow, Eton etc, you have nothing to worry about.

MistyElla · 12/12/2021 09:08

I think at that salary you have a choice to either:

  1. Tighten your belt to go all-out for private, which will probably leave you feeling perpetually squeezed (and yes, your kids might always feel like the poor ones at school), or

  2. go state and spend the money on things like tutors, extracurriculars, family holidays, and savings for the children’s future (university, house deposits, etc).

If you have access to decent state schools, I know which one I would choose.

FirewomanSam · 12/12/2021 09:19

I went to private school when I’m sure my parents were earning considerably less than that, although it was a long time ago. There were quite a few kids there on assisted places who got free school meals, so I was by no means the ‘poor’ kid. But I don’t think I ever really thought about it. The thing about rich people (in my experience) is that money is just taken for granted, so they don’t talk about it as much, whereas I’ve worked with kids living in poverty who know exactly how much their parents earn, how much the car costs, how much the TV was.

There were one or two very obviously rich kids which we knew from the fact that they had swimming pools or whatever, but for the most part it wasn’t really something I thought about (which I know is an immense privilege in itself).

The only thing I would say is that you need to try not to make it a ‘thing’ yourself. Looking back, I think my mum was quite self conscious about it and she would always grill me after playdates about what the other kid’s house was like and what kind of car they had. I probably drove her mad because I’d always just shrug and say ‘dunno’.

Keke94LND · 12/12/2021 09:29

@Changethefloorthroughout

These ‘how can you even think of private school, how can you afford it’ are absolutely baffling to me.

We can afford it because our salaries cover it, leaving around £80,000 spare. How can that not afford it?!

No offence but why did you ask the question then? If you are adamant that you can afford it, then do it and don't ask for others opinions ?
MsSquiz · 12/12/2021 09:31

@PWYP76 I found my rich husband at the private school I went to... Grin

NoAprilFool · 12/12/2021 09:34

She didn’t ask for opinions on whether she could afford it, just on whether her kids would be out of place.

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