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Would you want capital punishment back?

542 replies

Mynameisnew · 06/12/2021 02:07

There are people who do such vile things in this country and are jailed for a decade or two. Perhaps released for good behaviour a bit earlier.

Afaik CP was stopped amongst other reasons because there were a number of errors made and innocent people being convicted.

But these days with DNA proof or cases where it is on cctv /phone messages or has been admitted (thinking of Emma Tustin)

Would it not make a good deterrent? Even if one person is saved from being murdered...

I appreciate that in the USA people still commit murder, but they also have guns there which means a higher incidence of spur of the moment violence.

But a sustained campaign of abuse - would such an abuser as Tustin have been put off if CP was an option, even if very rarely used?

It's easy for me to say that I would be deterred, but I'm not a psychopathic and sadistic person so the issue is, it's hard to say if people like that would be put off such a crime. Perhaps it doesn't even enter their heads that it's wrong.

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LoveFall · 06/12/2021 03:35

I do not feel for one instant that the death penalty should come back.

It is barbaric, inhumane, and worst of all can be carried out by mistake.

I have always asked myself if I could be the executioner. The answer is no. So it is unethical for me to ask the State to do it for me no matter how reprehensible the crime.

Giggorata · 06/12/2021 03:42

Absolutely not, for all the excellent reasons given above. It is abhorrent.

DockOTheBay · 06/12/2021 03:48

No I don't believe in Capital punishment. However I do think life sentences should actually be life sentences or at least longer. You hear of people who commit murder and end up serving only 7 years in prison and that just seems crazy and so disrespectful to the families.

DockOTheBay · 06/12/2021 03:50

Average length of a "life" sentence is 15 years. They should change the name

starrynight21 · 06/12/2021 03:59

[quote Mynameisnew]@starrynight21

I think in the USA they also stack up sentences consecutively so she could be jailed for 200 years or so, a year for each bruise for example, serving as proof of a beating.[/quote]
I'm not sure that the sentences work like that. Those consecutive sentences reflect each offense, rather than each injury. A person recently got sentenced to 400 years in prison, which reflected the fact that he had driven his vehicle into a crowd of people, killing many of them. So he got sentenced for each separate crime of murder. These impossibly long sentences are symbolic of the seriousness of the person's crimes. And the families of the victims get some closure, since each crime has been punished separately.

BirdyBee · 06/12/2021 04:03

I think we should have tougher sentences and life should mean exactly that life, no chance of getting out ever.

Westerman · 06/12/2021 04:04

No. Never. No way. Two wrongs don't make a right. Capital punishment doesn't allow for rehabilitation and is the mark of a backward, vindictive, almost savage society. I, for one, hope we never go back there.

starrynight21 · 06/12/2021 04:06

I personally prefer the ideal of "truth in sentencing" which many countries have . The idea is that if you are sentenced to 20 years, you must serve 20 years. No getting out early for "good behaviour" ( which is pretty easy in prison since you don't have much opportunity to misbehave), and no automatic reduction of sentence. I recently saw a horrifying case where the mother who'd assisted her boyfriend to beat her child to death, got 20 years with an automatic reduction of 8 years. That's 12 years for a child's life.

Malibuismysecrethome · 06/12/2021 04:12

No

asha456 · 06/12/2021 04:21

No. Violence will never put a stop to violence.

SD1978 · 06/12/2021 04:28

No. Purely because even one mistake with sentencing is too many

Simonjt · 06/12/2021 05:00

Why do you want more people to be murdered? Why do you want to personally fund murder? Why do you want to train people how to murder someone?

RavingAnnie · 06/12/2021 05:01

No. I do not agree with state sanctioned murder under any circumstances.

fournonblondes · 06/12/2021 05:08

I would bring it back for cases where there is not doubt. Terrorists for example and serial killers.

Hoesbeforebroes · 06/12/2021 05:23

No, I don't think it should be reinstated for the reasons given by pps.

I do think that there are some crimes which deserve a life of imprisonment in pretty rudimentary conditions.

4amstarts · 06/12/2021 05:26

Yes absolutely for peadophiles, child killers, serial killers and rapists

People don't change. Rehabilitation is a myth

shiningcuckoo · 06/12/2021 05:27

No. Because violence piled upon violence is unhealthy in the extreme. And CP tells you a great deal about the society where it is practiced. None of it good.

loislovesstewie · 06/12/2021 05:28

The death penalty doesn't stop murder. Once upon a time people were tortured by the state and hung, drawn and quartered. It didn't stop people doing anything. I would suggest that people who commit crime, any crime don't expect to be caught. And sometimes they aren't. Neither do I believe that DNA is the miracle proof we all seek.

Patapouf · 06/12/2021 05:38

Capital punishment is not an effective deterrent.

It wasn't stopped because of errors it was stopped because it's fucking barbaric and no matter how unthinkably awful the crime committed, as a society we cannot murder people.

Youhaveyourhandsfull · 06/12/2021 05:40

It’s not a deterrent, and it’s wrong. So, no.

Penners99 · 06/12/2021 05:47

Yes, in an instant.

BritWifeInUSA · 06/12/2021 05:48

Not every state in the US has capital punishment. My state recently abolished it. Has crime gone down? Nope. If anything, it’s increased. Having capital punishment or not makes no difference to peoples behavior.

EdgeOfTheSky · 06/12/2021 05:51

No.

A civilised society does not execute people. We cannot allow our own standards to be dictated by those who have no morals of their own.

Let life mean life, keep us safe from them, let them live without liberty or ability to do further harm.

allyjay · 06/12/2021 05:56

There was a man on death row in the US, Louisiana I think it was, several years ago. He was there for murder. He was clearly from an under privileged back ground, had pretty severe learning difficulties and a mental age of a child. His case was highlighted in one of our papers. The article pointed out that he lacked the cognitive ability of an adult and that it was possible that he'd been pressured/coerced into confessing. It wasn't obvious that he'd even committed the crime.i wrote to the Governor of Louisana highlighting these points, as did presumably many others, but he was executed anyway. Do we really want THAT system over HERE?

HeartsAndClubs · 06/12/2021 05:59

So you agree with murder just not all murder?

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