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Aibu to be horrified at the thought of mandatory vaccinations

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TracyLords · 01/12/2021 15:51

I’m not anti vax. I’ve had my jabs and will get booster this week.

There have been countries in the EU insisting on mandatory vaccination: this concerns me: surely it is up to the individual to decide to get vaccinated (or otherwise)

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NeverTrustaChristmasPud · 01/12/2021 19:38

@JaninaDuszejko

Even the most fervent non-believer can surely work out that the info Holly the Hairdresser or Gary the Greengrocer has is hardly sound scientific advice?

We ALL are more likely to believe our friends and family who we trust have our best interests at heart over experts we don't know.

Well you might be......it's a bold statement saying we ALL take family or friends advice over that of the scientists/experts.

That's the reason people need to think critically. Ask yourself why does/doesn't your family want you to have it..... what are they concerned about, are those concerns valid? It could be that it's just a form of controlling you, especially if the family have form for that type of behaviour. Equally it could be a genuine concern and they are looking out for you.

The government can already medicate in certain circumstances, but I doubt any government in the U.K. is going to want to section its citizens or even fine/imprison them as neither the MH services or the criminal justice system could cope.

Tiredalwaystired · 01/12/2021 19:49

@JaninaDuszejko

Even the most fervent non-believer can surely work out that the info Holly the Hairdresser or Gary the Greengrocer has is hardly sound scientific advice?

We ALL are more likely to believe our friends and family who we trust have our best interests at heart over experts we don't know.

Erm no.
Clumsyvolcano · 01/12/2021 21:25

@tenredthings

If you caught covid pretty badly with vaccines then you could literally be dead without. Think about that.

whenwillthemadnessend · 01/12/2021 21:32

The reason I feel the unvaccinated should pay for there own care is that

Extreme sports
Obesity
Smoking etc ( ok I accept there is secondary smoke but that's less
Likely these days)

All of these are unlikely to affect anyone else and only effect the sufferer so it's their risk.

This group are less likely to overwhelm the nhs as one massive group at the same time and prevent others that need care from getting a bed

The unvaccinated are knowingly making others sick and are preventing others from treatment.

Yes the vaccinated can get sick but it's much much less
Likely to end in using NHS resources

So yes. The unvaccinated by choice should have to pay for some of the cost.

Luredbyapomegranate · 01/12/2021 21:58

I don’t think it will be jab or prison though. I would not be happy about that.

But I think it will become jab or suffer a great deal of inconvenience, which I am fine with, because a large number of us toddling around doing our own risk assessment and opting out will clobber the economy, NHS, etc

Brieandcamembert · 02/12/2021 04:46

It's not enforced vaccination as you can opt out you just lose privileges if you do. Problem is it's generally low educated people that can't read and understand scientific evidence and weigh up risk and benefit -and love the "look at me" drama- that are refusing. They and society need protecting.

Fascinatingly it doesn't appear to be medical staff refusing ...

malificent7 · 02/12/2021 05:21

So if the vaccone is so effective then why are the double jabbed so scared of running into the unjabbed? Something about transition and how we can still get the virus but not as badConfused. Im double jabbed but i dont mind if others arent. I work in healthcare and we dontt do anything without consent.

fournonblondes · 02/12/2021 05:21

People supporting this mandate disgust me more than the anti- vaxxers. Imposing on others is very much of these times.

malificent7 · 02/12/2021 05:24

Just read upon herd immunity...point taken!

fournonblondes · 02/12/2021 05:25

Glad to see that some people can see the differences like the op that started this thread.

Callcat · 02/12/2021 05:51

Tinuviel I haven't read any posts beyond yours yet so I don't know if someone else has already pointed it out, but the mandating of the smallpox vaccine (or the lawsuit again the pastor who tried to refuse it and that resulted in state mandation) went on to be leveraged to sterilise women with low IQs in America. It was the ONLY case stated to create the law. So yes, it did lead to mandation of other medical procedures. Forced sterilisation!

gofg · 02/12/2021 06:01

We ALL are more likely to believe our friends and family who we trust have our best interests at heart over experts we don't know.

Please don't speak for ALL of us! The day I believe my friends and family over experts, whether I know them or not, is not going to happen. Friends and family may well have our best interests at heart, it doesn't mean their information is correct. How can you not understand that?

echt · 02/12/2021 06:16

[quote YungWaffle]@echt
They are different in terms of risk and the extent of violation of our autonomy. Yes, we are compelled by the state to behave in certain ways, but a line is generally drawn at invasive medical procedures for a good reason.[/quote]
Was not referring to risk, I was referring to accepting government interventions in our personal lives.

IHateFlies · 02/12/2021 06:22

I am totally against this. It’s all quite terrifying.
What if the next step is mandating boosters? So many people have had covid now. Why mandate it for them?
Or is the next step mandating children to attend schools? It’s already happening in some places that unvaxxed children can’t attend clubs or even childcare.
The world has gone mad.

listsandbudgets · 02/12/2021 06:32

YANBU. Personally, I think those who can have vaccines but refuse are selfish idiots and I will have very little sympathy if they suffer badly from covid or they are banned from certain activities but I think forcing medical procedures on people is the start of a very slippery slope.

Also would you want to be the person who has to forcibly vaccinate a non complaint adult?

TheReluctantPhoenix · 02/12/2021 06:38

I am horrified at the large amount of mandatory tax I pay.

However, unless we want to live entirely outside society, there is a price to pay to have the benefits of living within it.

Vaccinations (all of them) have been one of the biggest boons to society ever, and it is unfair for some to shirk their responsibilities and rely on herd immunity created by others doing their bit.

Vaccine evasion should be condemned in just the same way tax evasion is.

I may have lots of quirky theories about why I, personally, should have the autonomy not to pay tax. But, we live in a democracy. There is nothing to stop people forming a no vaccine party and trying to get elected.

Sparkai · 02/12/2021 06:43

But it's only like needing to prove you have had the Yellow Fever vaccine before going to certain countries....

Waxonwaxoff0 · 02/12/2021 06:48

@Sparkai

But it's only like needing to prove you have had the Yellow Fever vaccine before going to certain countries....
It really isn't. If people don't want the yellow fever jab, they don't have to visit those countries. It doesn't impact their daily life like a mandatory vaccine in their home country would.
Waxonwaxoff0 · 02/12/2021 06:51

@Brieandcamembert

It's not enforced vaccination as you can opt out you just lose privileges if you do. Problem is it's generally low educated people that can't read and understand scientific evidence and weigh up risk and benefit -and love the "look at me" drama- that are refusing. They and society need protecting.

Fascinatingly it doesn't appear to be medical staff refusing ...

My mum works in a hospital with a nurse who is refusing the vaccine. She won't give her young child the flu vaccine either. I think she will be losing her job soon.
NollaigNollaig · 02/12/2021 07:01

@SheikhMaraca wow. I find your view on a society where we abandon medical care of the elderly much scarier than one with mandatory vaccinations. My grandmother is 85. When she was 83 she was hospitalised with covid , treated and is fine now. Your preference was for her to be left to die do hospitals don’t get over whelmed rather than some idiot conspiracy nuts taking a perfectly harmless injection.

And no. Vaccines by their very nature of triggering a temporary immune response cannot have long term side effects. You clearly have no scientific background so don’t make statements you don’t understand.

NollaigNollaig · 02/12/2021 07:04

Sorry typo *84 now 85. My point being she was old in her eighties when she got it and she’s even older now and doing fine. You can discriminate medical care based on age.

Cheshirewife · 02/12/2021 07:44

I’m probably against mandatory vaccination but do think that those who refuse vaccination (rather than medically advised against it) should be denied nhs treatment for covid.

We have a situation in my area where life saving operations (eg cancer) are being postponed because of unvaccinated covid patients filling icu. Some of those non-covid patients are dying as a result of having urgent surgery delayed multiple times, which can’t be right.

GreenWhiteViolet · 02/12/2021 07:48

@Brieandcamembert

It's not enforced vaccination as you can opt out you just lose privileges if you do. Problem is it's generally low educated people that can't read and understand scientific evidence and weigh up risk and benefit -and love the "look at me" drama- that are refusing. They and society need protecting.

Fascinatingly it doesn't appear to be medical staff refusing ...

Do as you're told or the goverment will take away your 'privileges' because you need to be protected from yourself? That's not okay either. Especially when we're talking about things like having a job, using public transport, going to shops. In what dystopian nightmare are they considered 'privileges'?
gofg · 02/12/2021 08:24

@SheikhMaraca wow. I find your view on a society where we abandon medical care of the elderly much scarier than one with mandatory vaccinations.

I totally agree. A disgusting sentiment.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 02/12/2021 08:36

So, should taxes be mandatory or voluntary?

In my (obviously expert) analysis, I would be so much better off personally and prefer to neither take from or give to the state.

And the risks to me of paying tax (dying poor) are far greater than the risks of not paying tax.