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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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saltinesandcoffeecups · 30/11/2021 23:06

@ThousandsOfTulips see now you’re going to make me be serious for a moment… that’s kind of a buzzkill.

No, if you read my comment I agree that the OP is perfectly justified for her feelings. I’m making fun of her for thinking she’s above all those inconvenient and unpopular feelings.

Honestly the angst about being miserable in a place you don’t like with people you don’t have anything in common with is laughable. But the OP feels, for whatever reason, that she’s above those feelings. That is the poncy pretentious wokeness that is funny to me. The irony is that the OP just admitted to being as insular and close minded as her neighbors are… despite her attempts otherwise.

In short, I’m all for the OP’s opinion. She obviously knows the situation better than I… I’m just going to sit back and laugh at the handwringing.

wheresmymojo · 30/11/2021 23:13

@ColinTheKoala

Indeed I live in Bolton ,and there are somr very nice parts to it and other not very nice parts at all ,just like all towns I guess ,even towns in the south

Even posh towns in the south have their "rough" bits - Guildford and Farnham to name but two.

Lol to Farnham having a 'rough' bit.

Where I come from in the Midlands / NW the 'rough' bit means having bars on your windows and police patrolling with huge guns.

I live near Farnham. The 'rough' bit of Farnham, by which I presume you mean the bit edging towards Aldershot, isn't even in the remote ballpark of what 'rough' means when you're from somewhere like Stoke or Manchester.

I'm yet to consider huge brawls as such a regular nightly occurrence in Farnham that I wouldn't bat an eyelid like a night out in Stoke. I've never even seen one single fight in 20 years in the Guildford / Farnham area.

In Stoke I'd see several every Sat night.

me4real · 30/11/2021 23:13

I live in a genuinely dangerous area, one of the worst in the country. I think 'a shithole' can be all/partly about one's emotional experience of a place and its people. As a child/teenager I found Barton-Under-Needwood, where I grew up in the 80s/90s, a shithole, as it really was years behind the times and there were few people on my wavelength as an LGBT pagan goth. Smile Apparently it's improved a little nowadays.

Just hang on in there @OnenessWithAllStrife and seek out like minded people/groups for the few months you still have to put up with living there. Manchester seems to have a pretty good feminist scene, one of the best in the country, with loads of regular meetings. www.facebook.com/groups/111813245503764 Liverpool is infamous for its lefties so you could probably find stuff to do there too if you're into that.

JollyJoon · 30/11/2021 23:16

Speaking of Wigan I'll tell you where else is surprisingly shit near there and thats Lancaster. What's going on with that place? Great architecture, university, and just a really weird town centre vibe.

SudokuWillNotSaveYou · 30/11/2021 23:21

@Baluchistan95

I looked up the crime stats for Wigan earlier. So yeah, I believe the OP.

Link, please.

I’m not sure who you’re asking for the link but hell, there are tons. Violent crime is top in Wigan followed by antisocial behavior yet only 4% of crimes are solved: destinationscanner.com/is-wigan-a-good-place-to-live/ Crime is 108% of national average in Wigan, violent crime makes up the highest percentage as I said (which is a big deal, when you consider places where theft is the highest crime which is not nearly as dangerous). AND crime was rising at a rate of 7.3% just in a 12-month period: www.plumplot.co.uk/Wigan-violent-crime-statistics.html

So… @OnenessWithAllStrife is right on the council letting it rot. I wouldn’t want to live in the center of that, no. 4% of crimes make it to court and yet crime is rising 7.3% every year?! I mean, a bit hard to spin that positively.

I do hope your future move goes well, OP.

wheresmymojo · 30/11/2021 23:28

@ColinTheKoala

This is how Police are armed when they patrolled in Longsight when I lived there...

Next time you see the police patrolling Farnham, Surrey like this let me know...I'm only 10 mins down the road

AIBU to loathe the people here?
me4real · 30/11/2021 23:38

I don't see any armed police in Ladywood. We really could do with them TBH as I saw a young man bleeding to death after a drive by gang-related shooting in broad daylight, when I went down the shop for a loaf of bread or something.

Another time there was a stabbing not far from that.

But I'd still choose it over living in a village any day.

Fluffymule · 01/12/2021 00:29

That’s a bit misleading. Longsight is a rough area, but those police officers are not typical of ‘police patrols’ in Manchester.

That image is specific to event security around Ariana Grandes appearance at Manchester Pride in 2019. With the history of the terrorist attack at Arianna’s concert in 2017 a heavy and visible armed presence was to be expected.

GMP use officers from their firearms unit to cover public events, concerts, sports matches and so on. This is no different from any other major city and has much more to do with terrorist type threats than anti-social behaviour or crime. I have a relative who works in the armed response unit.

Armed officers may be called to a serious incident in dodgy areas (or any) by unarmed patrols, they may be part of pre-arranged operations where criminally held firearms are suspected to be involved (eg drug busts) but day to day Police Officers are not out there openly carrying Heckler & Koch rifles whilst they patrol Longsight.

ThousandsOfTulips · 01/12/2021 00:38

@Baluchistan95

I looked up the crime stats for Wigan earlier. So yeah, I believe the OP.

Link, please.

www.police.uk/pu/your-area/greater-manchester-police/wigan-central/?tab=CrimeMap
ThousandsOfTulips · 01/12/2021 00:41

www.plumplot.co.uk/Wigan-violent-crime-statistics.html

ThousandsOfTulips · 01/12/2021 00:44

www.ukcrimestats.com/Neighbourhood/9025

ThousandsOfTulips · 01/12/2021 00:51

[quote saltinesandcoffeecups]@ThousandsOfTulips see now you’re going to make me be serious for a moment… that’s kind of a buzzkill.

No, if you read my comment I agree that the OP is perfectly justified for her feelings. I’m making fun of her for thinking she’s above all those inconvenient and unpopular feelings.

Honestly the angst about being miserable in a place you don’t like with people you don’t have anything in common with is laughable. But the OP feels, for whatever reason, that she’s above those feelings. That is the poncy pretentious wokeness that is funny to me. The irony is that the OP just admitted to being as insular and close minded as her neighbors are… despite her attempts otherwise.

In short, I’m all for the OP’s opinion. She obviously knows the situation better than I… I’m just going to sit back and laugh at the handwringing.[/quote]
Lol. You are wringing your hands at what your perceive to be somebody wringing their hands.

That is laughable.

Living in close proximity to people with a proclivity to arson, vandalism, violence, racial/ sexist abuse etc is not remotely "laughable". I've done it and believe me, it's not fun.

ThousandsOfTulips · 01/12/2021 00:54

@SudokuWillNotSaveYou sorry I didn't check first and see you'd already posted many of that stats for the poster who apparently hasn't figured out how to use a search engine yet. Thanks!

JohnStonesMissus · 01/12/2021 00:55

I'm still killing myself laughing at the poster who said Guildford and Farnham had rough areas!

ThousandsOfTulips · 01/12/2021 01:00

I mean, they both have areas I'd not choose to live in. But clearly nothing like the rough parts of big cities. I also wonder if any of these people have ever travelled outside of developed countries? I think some people don't really contemplate what a "rough" place is, with the perspective of having seen or lived amongst real poverty. I think that's one reason that the "so hard done by", victim blah blah crap from people in Wigan etc us so grating to many of us.

ThousandsOfTulips · 01/12/2021 01:08

[quote tarasmalatarocks]@ThousandsOfTulips. Absolutely with you. Something I picked up on in my home town too was the amount of men (and it was mainly men) who suddenly became complete know it alls on logistics and international commerce too , based on Jack shit actual experience or knowledge or experience[/quote]
Ahhhh yes.

Suddenly because if the referendum everybody became an expert in economics! Yet didn't bother to read any of the freely available and impartial economic studies, apparently. 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️😒😂

ThousandsOfTulips · 01/12/2021 01:18

@Baluchistan95

Perhaps you're right. Based on OPs description and another posters astute description of the "reverse sieve" effect, maybe all of the shitbags smashing up cars and windows, setting fire to stuff, racially abusing people and beating each other unconscious etc will wipe each other out eventually.

That's if you actually believe all trhat nonsense.

One can only hope, I suppose.
PWYP76 · 01/12/2021 01:21

Hi, OP.

I am unsure why people are dismissing your experience of living where you do. But that's mumsnet for you Grin

Some places have a certain 'feel' about them. And, usually, what we see on the outside tends to translate to how we feel about it on the inside.

I do hope things improve for you.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 01/12/2021 01:28

@ThousandsOfTulips

Whelp clearly you aren’t reading my comments or are willfully misinterpreting them…so you have yourself a good rest of the night. I’ll be over here laughing at the angst.

ThousandsOfTulips · 01/12/2021 01:30

Ok then. Confused You have a great time laughing to yourself about something you can't explain coherently. Smile

PWYP76 · 01/12/2021 01:35

What an incredibly vile post, in my experience it is just like most other places, a mix of nice and unpleasant areas. I certainly don't recognise your description of it except, perhaps, the town centre, although most high streets have been suffering for many years. You must live in one of the roughest areas to witness this. Perhaps if you had had a better income you could have afforded to move somewhere nicer within Wigan when your arrived? The part where I live is much nicer than you describe, house prices are around the national average, most people work from home in good jobs, including me. Our household income is 6 figures combined despite me only working part time. Our DC go to a state primary that has been in the top 10% of the country league table wise for the past 5 years. Culture wise you have big cities close by. I have 3 siblings and all of us have professional jobs requiring degrees, only one of us has moved from the area for work.

You sound a twit! No one gives a Shiny shoelace about your 6 figure salary, or the fact that your siblings are degree educated... Tangent, much?

Get a life Grin

TheRigatonini · 01/12/2021 01:45

@OnenessWithAllStrife

Ok ladies it is sitting snugly and proudly between Manchester and Liverpool.
Skelmersdale? St. Helens?
Lovemelongthai · 01/12/2021 01:52

Is this Milton Keynes??

ThousandsOfTulips · 01/12/2021 01:54

CANCEL THE CHEQUE!

OP has said, several times now, that it is Wigan, and at least half of the thread has been discussing that after she did so.

TheRigatonini · 01/12/2021 02:10

Ok just saw the update, it’s Wigan.

I don’t know Wigan well, but I know what you mean OP.

It sounds a bit like the town I grew up in in some ways.

I’ve lived all over, including in some very ‘working class’ and ‘rough’ areas / areas with low socio-economic status population. It’s not that.

I think it’s more that small-town mentality. The place where I grew up was offered the opportunity to have a big free festival put on by the council, loads of big names, etc. And there was just no interest from people. No one cared or got behind it, so it got cancelled.

There was very minimal arts and culture. Not much in the way of ‘community spirit’. Lots of racism normalised.

Very conformist mentality with narrow ideas about possibilities generally.

I know some lovely people from there. But the thought of moving back there makes me shudder. It’s not about money, it’s about mentality.

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