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AIBU to loathe the people here?

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OnenessWithAllStrife · 30/11/2021 10:06

Some people say that feeling a negative emotion or having unpleasant feelings about something shouldn't define you, that you should let the thoughts flow and then let them go. OK. I hope this to be true :(

But i have lived somewhere for the past 6 years that has brought me to conclusions and created feelings in me that I am not proud of. For the first time in my life I have actually come to loathe people and feel a sense of terror about being stuck with them. This is not particularly politically 'correct' when put into words, unfortunately, but I can't think of any other way to express it.

I moved to a town6 yrs ago in which I don't have much in common with the residents. It isn't unusual, just an ordinary large town which at one time contained more diversity, but in recent years has become very insular and homogenous. Everyone is angry, anti social, or depressed. If you don't openly discuss some sort of prejudice (racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism) you're 'soft in the head' or a 'bloody weirdo'.
Wherever I go here, in any direction, you will either see kids or drunk adults destroying property, or else screaming at each other in the street. There are a few select areas that are less challenging and rough, but the vibe is somehow the same.

Education or reading is a mugs game, football is the only passion, kids are yelled at for merely existing. Any conversation with a seemingly friendly stranger results in them wishing all the foreigners to go home. There is a general air of brutality to everything, a leathery, hard resistance to any kind of sensitivity whatsoever. Art, creativity and self reflection are suspicious, and the only permissible clothing is black or sport branded. Every damned street is choked with the fumes of endlessly revved up vehicles with ear splitting exhaust modifications. The environment is filthy, full of dog shit and bordering on dereliction.

I would once have considered all of this a problem of poverty, but it isn't quite that easy to determine, having witnessed it. There is no seeming variation in behaviour across income brackets here, it looks to be more cultural than income related, although the attitude towards learning, etc will obviously have the effect of creating more poverty regardless. It is like a self perpetuating cesspit of no hope and hard hearts. I thought i was a leftie, a socialist, but when I leave here I will be fucking marked by this and hope to never exist within it ever again.

We moved here for DP's work and are set to leave this coming year. I also appreciate that the residents and I have experienced very different upbringings and we do not share much in common, but even so, I think that you have to endure this to really, really see it, to come to fear it. It is easy to sit in a comfy armchair miles from it and 'defend' this stuff because you haven't truly sampled the existential sickness of it on your own doorstep.
I wish i didn't feel it, but it is difficult to lie to oneself, and the fear has probably evolved from having felt 'stuck' in it for so long. I wfh and DP does part time (some here regard us as 'pretentious' for this and have suggested we ought to do some 'real' work). It all feels very dated and odd, to be surrounded by values that repulse me and contain so little diversity. I mean, this is the type of place where you'll get side-eyed for cooking from scratch or having the audacity to flavour a dish with pesto.

Does this mean I loathe them? I don't know. I imagine I will chill with it when we have moved, as it all becomes a distant memory, but it has certainly left a mark. It feels wrong to state these feelings and observations, but I bet I am not the only one who has thought them....

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lazylinguist · 30/11/2021 14:05

There will be love in the houses on the OPs street - whether the OP can see it or not.

Confused I expect lots of the drug dealers, racists and bigots love people in their own houses. Not sure how that helps the OP or improves the area though.

ParsleySageRosemary · 30/11/2021 14:07

@FestiveFruitloop You sound like you know the north-west fairly well Grin Grin Grin I do don't I??

Sn0tnose · 30/11/2021 14:07

Do enlighten us what this wonderful cultural community of Wigan are in fact doing?!

Same as on every other estate up and down the country. They’re getting on with their lives and trying to keep their heads above water. Do let me know if you need any further enlightening.

DeadoftheMoon · 30/11/2021 14:08

Sounded like Salford to me.

Cordyceps · 30/11/2021 14:09

@crackofdoom

cordyceps I wouldn’t put spiralling gentrification and house prices in the Bay Area down to any kind of left wing ideals- rather, unbridled capitalism 🙄
Yes exactly what I said - neo-lib technocrats destroyed the culture of San Francisco and made it unaffordable for all the but the most wealthy. The neo-lib technocrats vote for gay rights, vote to legalise weed, and generally vote for Democrats but liberals aren't radicals. They are capitalists who like to party and hate women and minorities a bit less than conservatives.
Cait1980 · 30/11/2021 14:09

Coincidentally there was a Reddit thread by someone with a very very similar attitude to OP, also about the surrounding areas of Manchester a few weeks ago. That poster turned out to be a terrible troll so would hate this to be anything like a similar situation.

It is a shame OP that you feel able to cast such wide assumptions about every single person living in one area. I’m sure you’ve had meaningful interactions with every single person to allow you to come to such broad assumptions.

I do hope you get to move soon, I’m sure it will deeply improve your neighbours living conditions.

FestiveFruitloop · 30/11/2021 14:09

[quote BloomingTrees]Wigan is number 20 on the worst places to live in England in 2021

www.ilivehere.co.uk/top-50-worst-places-to-live-in-england-2021[/quote]
On a lighter note, did anyone else read that with the Alan Freeman 'Pick of the Pops' music playing in their head? (or am I the only middle-aged person in the room Grin )

digitalvertigo · 30/11/2021 14:10

@ParsleySageRosemary

A lot of the aggression comes from the internet culture youngsters are saturated in. Which naturally parents can't control or turn off because that would be cruel to the kids, or because they can access it everywhere anyway, or because kids know the internet better. Some comes from the economic hopelessness.

We could actually try to make places better instead of pretending shit holes like this don't exist.

Agree. Fights, bullying, knife crime, drug dealing, you name it etc all made easier and turbocharged by internet/social media culture - the adults aren't anywhere near the room.
DeadoftheMoon · 30/11/2021 14:10

Is the 5 bed Georgian terrace 5 mins from Waitrose in Harrogate? If so, I know your six-bed neighbour.

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 30/11/2021 14:12

I grew up in what you might call a shithole and I understand to some extent the feeling that, for example, education is mildly suspicious. But if you hate everyone that might be a you problem?

ThousandsOfTulips · 30/11/2021 14:12

@Sn0tnose

Do enlighten us what this wonderful cultural community of Wigan are in fact doing?!

Same as on every other estate up and down the country. They’re getting on with their lives and trying to keep their heads above water. Do let me know if you need any further enlightening.

The PP I responded to was claiming that there is a great cultural scene in Wigan. "Getting on with our lives" is hardly that. I mean, isn't that what everybody in the world does by definition? There's no really any other option. 😂
PotatoPie888 · 30/11/2021 14:14

@ThousandsOfTulips do you know Wigan? Have you heard of places like The Old Courts and that they do? They are just one of many.

ThousandsOfTulips · 30/11/2021 14:14

@Cait1980

Coincidentally there was a Reddit thread by someone with a very very similar attitude to OP, also about the surrounding areas of Manchester a few weeks ago. That poster turned out to be a terrible troll so would hate this to be anything like a similar situation.

It is a shame OP that you feel able to cast such wide assumptions about every single person living in one area. I’m sure you’ve had meaningful interactions with every single person to allow you to come to such broad assumptions.

I do hope you get to move soon, I’m sure it will deeply improve your neighbours living conditions.

Gosh. You don't think that a human can make cultural judgements about an area or country without meeting every single person that lives there? We'd best bin half of the academic literature on Anthropology, then.
ChurchofLatterDayPaints · 30/11/2021 14:15

knew it would be the north west. . There is something about the culture there. Very male macho, very aggressive, very destructive, very, I don't know commercial. The only value they have is conspicuous consumption, and it is very very insular. Yes some individuals are nice, but it is a depressing region

Wow, what did I just read. Do you enjoy goading northeners? Some of them, like me, can actually read proper English, you know. I think some kind people from the Home Counties travelled up for a day to show them how it's done.

They've also learned how to get on trains and travel out of their designated territory... Wretched inconvenience for you, I know. Were you thinking Trump-style Mexican wall?

Ffs

BiLuminous · 30/11/2021 14:16

I grew up in Hull and I felt like this to a degree. I left at 21. It's a friendly city but lots of very backwards views, awful education and at the time I left the city was becoming more diverse with lots of Polish people coming to it in particular. There was uproar about that. I believe it's much more diverse there now than when I was a child but have the opinions changed, I wonder?
I live over in Manchester now and there's more of a mix of feelings on society so you've just got to find your people.

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 30/11/2021 14:17

Although, interestingly, while I'm not from the northwest I have enough connections with it to feel mildly aggrieved, having read through the whole of the thread now, that it is apparently an inherently sexist place full of conspicuous consumption. That has never been my impression of it at all, and I have no illusions about the extent of deprivation and urban decay there. I suppose it depends on which part you live in but in my own experience there is certainly a strong sense of community at the very least.

ThousandsOfTulips · 30/11/2021 14:17

[quote PotatoPie888]@ThousandsOfTulips do you know Wigan? Have you heard of places like The Old Courts and that they do? They are just one of many.[/quote]
A town of half a million people having an arts centre hardly marks it out as a cultural hotspot does it? Or indicates that it's a pleasant and welcoming place to live.

immersivereader · 30/11/2021 14:17

Do we actually know which town this is?

lazylinguist · 30/11/2021 14:18

In fact in my life the most racist, insular, small-minded, and soulless people I've known have tended to be the ones wearing watches that cost more than my car.

Interesting- that's the complete opposite of my experience. I'm a teacher and have worked in everything from inner city comps to posh independent schools, in the SE of England and the NW. The most broad-minded, non-judgmental and outward-looking were the affluent, well-travelled and relatively ethnically diverse private school kids and their families. The most sexist, racist and insular ones were generally the white, rural/semi-rural families in the NW, especially the ones from the less affluent towns/areas or from local farming families. Not a particularly poor area. Not people who are being demonised for anything. Just ignorant, insular and set in their ways.

immersivereader · 30/11/2021 14:18

It's Wigan then

pucelleauxblanchesmains · 30/11/2021 14:19

@ChurchofLatterDayPaints My dad and most of my surviving family are from the north-west - not Wigan though - and I also have a very regional surname. Slightly bemused to discover everyone apparently hates it up there!

crackofdoom · 30/11/2021 14:20

cordyceps yes, but I was responding to a post that blamed “liberal left ideals” for ruining Barcelona and San Francisco- both cities with a long left wing history.

Fireatseaparks · 30/11/2021 14:21

Haha, I'd guessed Barrow/Workington before you said Wigan! But yes, parts of Wigan are incredibly shit.

BiLuminous · 30/11/2021 14:22

Snort laughing at someone generalising the entirety of the NW.

Turmerictolly · 30/11/2021 14:24

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