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Am I being selfish or is my friend being a CF?

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Hop27 · 29/11/2021 08:14

I'm exhausted, the year has been long and tough for lots of reasons. DH and I both have 3 weeks off from work coming up and we really need it.
A good friend is in the early stages of separation from her DH (2 kids involved) I am trying to be supporting but I'm finding it emotionally very draining.
She messaged me last weekend, asking if she could have a 'safe space' to see her kids and spend the afternoon at mine. I said not a problem, come over. However, that afternoon turned into 3 days. During her time staying at mine, her kids were asking what the plan was moving forward and she openly told them the plan was to be nomads for a while. She kept showing me pictures of house sitting homes available or terrible dumps of rentals that she could make work with her budget. (DH is in the family home, works PT and is the primary carer) She keeps hinting that staying at mine (or somewhere like mine) would be the best thing for her and the kids. She knows we have the space to host them as a family, the kids love the house because we have a pool.
It's just too much, I'm exhausted. I can't cope with 2 loud kids in the house, the drain of someone who is going through a tough time. I don't know if I'm being really cold hearted or if she's being a CF because my house is a nicer/easier option than her family who also close by and she isn't ready to tell her family yet.
AIBU to need a bit of space over Christmas or do I need to do the right thing and offer her somewhere to stay?

OP posts:
KosherDill · 29/11/2021 13:32

No, you aren't selfish.

You can't live others' lives for them. She should have had a plan in place. It's not on you to rectify that.

Are they gone now?

If she tries to return you could use covid as an excuse; say you are strictly isolating during your three weeks off.

Kittykat93 · 29/11/2021 13:38

Okay I do think she's been a bit cheeky but honestly I'm glad I'm not friends with most of you on here. Where's the compassion ffs. Some of you really wouldn't offer a friend a place to stay when going through a shit time if you had the space etc?

KosherDill · 29/11/2021 13:46

@Kittykat93

Okay I do think she's been a bit cheeky but honestly I'm glad I'm not friends with most of you on here. Where's the compassion ffs. Some of you really wouldn't offer a friend a place to stay when going through a shit time if you had the space etc?

OP said she and her DH have had a hard year too and are shattered, and can't cope with friend's two loud kids.

That's understandable and doesn't make her a hard person. She's already tolerated them for three days.

Helping people who experience involuntary misfortune / emergency like a car crash or cancer is one thing; the OP's friend is in a situation of her own making and has other options such as being truthful with her family.

MichelleScarn · 29/11/2021 13:52

@Autumnleaves4

You don't sound much of a friend, your post isn't very kind. Is she stuck, can she go to her family, is there room. Why can't she stay at home until they sell the house, lots of couples live like this. You havn't given much information but just that having a friend who is needy is not for you. I hope you are never needy.
I now really dislike the word 'kind', it's sole use seems to be a guilt tripping, do what I want, bludger. Oh why won't you just do this/accept this/put up with.... JUST #BEKIND. It always seems to be about letting others wants and demands stomp all over you, and never is reciprocal!
WheelieBinPrincess · 29/11/2021 13:52

I need to know how it became three days.

Did she have a suitcase in the car?

Did they bring their swimming things/toothbrushes?

It’s not easy to make the clothes you are standing up in last for 3 without looking like you’ve gone to seed.

TractorAndHeadphones · 29/11/2021 14:04

@MichelleScarn and almost always direct towards women as well. WHy are men not told to bekind

Almostmenopausal · 29/11/2021 14:05

YAB slightly U. You have the space to help a friend in need. Just send some ground rules. It might be easier when they're lodgers rather than guests you have to wait on. Just my opinion

Nowomenaroundeh · 29/11/2021 14:07

I think you're feeling panic that the decisions are being made for you. How exactly did the afternoon become three nights?

I would tackle it directly. Ask how the house hunting is going. Say you're happy to help but then follow up with specifics - "if you wanted to spend one agreed night a fortnight over Dec and Jan (for example) that would be ok. How have your family taken the news, I hope they are being supportive."

Notmoresugar · 29/11/2021 14:15

She's manipulative and she shouldn't be putting you in that position in front of her DCs, but some people have no self-pride or dignity.

Phobiaphobic · 29/11/2021 14:20

I now really dislike the word 'kind', it's sole use seems to be a guilt tripping, do what I want, bludger.
Oh why won't you just do this/accept this/put up with.... JUST #BEKIND.
It always seems to be about letting others wants and demands stomp all over you, and never is reciprocal!

@MichelleScarn IKR? These days I treat injunctions to others to 'be kind' as a red flag for either virtue-parading, covert manipulation, or narcissism. Often all three.

ElsieMc · 29/11/2021 14:30

Do not agree to this op. I am a grandparent carer and have brought up my own girls and now two grandsons who are teenagers. I have accepted this and the restrictions on my life but my gs1's girlfriend stays here at least 4 nights per week. She is a lovely girl but it is the straw that broke the camel's back.

They are all untidy, but she leaves her dirty makeup removal stuff everywhere, never removes used glasses, drinks bottles/cans etc clothes all over and I have another room to clean every day. Balanced against this is the fact she ferries my gs around and it saves me trailing out which I guess is selfish of me.

Think about the fact you will not be able to be yourself in your own home. My gs2 has commented that he feels ill at ease sometimes in his own home so you need to consider your partner. She has already made the decision to move in with you and I dont think she has any intention of going elsewhere. Why would she in the short term.

It will become more invasive believe me. Gs and gf have now taken over the living room as they say it is uncomfortable in the bedroom. Yeah, right. It is time for me to lay down ground rules. I urge you not to agree to this particularly as she has family nearby!

IntermittentParps · 29/11/2021 14:39

YANBU. She marked her card as soon as she asked to spend the afternoon and then turned it into three days (although how and why did you let that happen?!?!)
Ignore her hints. Or address them by saying outright that you hope she finds somewhere soon but it doesn't work for her to stay with you, much as you love her and will support her with a listening ear on the phone/meeting
up etc.

2bazookas · 29/11/2021 14:40

Just say no.

She took advantage = no more hospitality credit.

saraclara · 29/11/2021 14:57

I've helped people willingly in the past. I had a friend stay for six months, and I spend most of my retirement helping those in great need. But the sanctimony of some people on this thread makes me want to vomit.

The first thing that anyone working/volunteering with/ befriending those in need is trained to do, is how to create and maintain boundaries, and only to do what they are comfortable doing. Also we are warned about creating dependency in the person we support.

OPs friend is indeed a CF. Saying you're coming for an afternoon and then planting yourself as if you have no plans to leave would be a massive red flag, and anyone on this thread telling OP that she should accept it and be kind, has the whole dynamic of helping and supporting someone, badly wrong.

OP has her own family's needs as well as her own. And she needs to put a 48 hour time limit on this now. Tell the 'guest' that she had to tell her family now, and move out.

It's not easy and I've been there. But it's absolutely necessary. This woman (unlike the people I've helped) will not be on the streets in 48 hours. She has other options.

mam0918 · 29/11/2021 16:00

@Kittykat93

Okay I do think she's been a bit cheeky but honestly I'm glad I'm not friends with most of you on here. Where's the compassion ffs. Some of you really wouldn't offer a friend a place to stay when going through a shit time if you had the space etc?
A yes of course 'be kind' by putting yourself in distress and sacrificing your own personal space even if it could effect your mental health and wellbeing anything else makes you a failure as a 'friend' Hmm.
Sneezesthrice · 29/11/2021 16:16

Three times I have taken in friends and family in need who were ‘desperate’ because it felt like the right thing to do.

Every single time they have taken root and ended up needing almost pushing out of the door. They quickly stopped looking for other accommodation, made me feel like I’m interloper in my home, made me feel like a CF if I asked them to do/not to do something around the house. One ended up here for over a year and the final straw was the bailiffs turning up about their unpaid fines threatening to take my car and other items to the value of the debt whilst I was out and my then 18 year old daughter was home and the rooted resident ‘guest’ hid in her room.

One of these people had two kids and was also going to though a messy separation and her ranting, raging and crying interspersed with bursts of manic energy and chaotic vibe exhausted me mentally.

One couple had a VERY big dog that acted like it owned the house and bit me when I got home one day and they had gone out.

The one that brought the bailiff and a heap of drama to my door drove me very close to a nervous breakdown. I’d end up dropping my youngest child to school then staying out all day till pick up. It was making my kids unhappy and unsettled too.

It’s all well feeling you must be kind, you must make room for those in need ‘because you have the space’ but it’s the mental space these people take that’s the hardest. And people are often oblivious as to how entitled they have become once they consider your home their home and have made themselves part of the furniture.

And yes showing your ‘the dumps’ she can afford on her budget sounds highly manipulative, I’ve had this tactic used on me, they had it so comfy here they were unwilling to ‘downgrade’ to a small studio flat despite me showing them lots that were available.

It’s really hard to say no, but you should, staying for three days tells you this person doesn’t understand what’s reasonable or what boundaries are. It will likely get worse.

BigYellowHat · 29/11/2021 17:40

That’s so hard and I know I would find it hard to say no. I don’t get why her ex is in their home?

tallduckandhandsome · 29/11/2021 17:52

@BigYellowHat

That’s so hard and I know I would find it hard to say no. I don’t get why her ex is in their home?
He is the primary carer for dc,

She should look into selling the home.

WhereYouLeftIt · 29/11/2021 22:46

@Kittykat93

Okay I do think she's been a bit cheeky but honestly I'm glad I'm not friends with most of you on here. Where's the compassion ffs. Some of you really wouldn't offer a friend a place to stay when going through a shit time if you had the space etc?
@Kittykat93, the OP is also going through a shit time. Her 'friend' has family nearby but is choosing not to go to them probably because they'll tell her to give her head a wobble.

So my question to you is - should the OP set herself on fire in order to keep her 'friend' warm?

NewtoHolland · 29/11/2021 23:03

You can't set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm.
You already don't feel comfortable about this situation and that is your body sending you a warning that your boundaries are being trampled on. Different people will draw the line on different places and It sound like for you the line is you can help your friend, but outside of your home.

RalphLaurenG · 30/11/2021 11:12

@NewtoHolland

You can't set yourself on fire to keep someone else warm. You already don't feel comfortable about this situation and that is your body sending you a warning that your boundaries are being trampled on. Different people will draw the line on different places and It sound like for you the line is you can help your friend, but outside of your home.
Extremely well put.
Hop27 · 30/11/2021 21:31

Thanks everyone. I'm happy to help but I can't do it long term. She is staying with other friends now, the hard bit will be during school holidays and when everyone of off work, kids stuck in a house that isn't their own isn't fun for anyone. But I'm going to need to be strong and says staying with us isn't an option for my own sanity!

OP posts:
Ireolu · 30/11/2021 21:57

My mum moved a family of 3 in with us when I was very young and the temp situation meant they lived with us till I was 13. She regrets it. Had to ask them to leave in the end as it all just became too much. We (siblings and I) hated it too. Draw the line now and just say no.

billy1966 · 30/11/2021 22:34

Your friend needs to go to her family first.

You have enough going on.

I think she is a CF, a presumptuous one.

An afternoon becomes 3 days?
She knows she can stay if she's stuck?

I think she needs to knuckle down and sort herself out.

She is not your responsibility to house.

A desperate friend fleeing DV is a different matter completely.

Justilou1 · 01/12/2021 10:10

Honestly, why is he the primary carer anyway? There is back story we don’t know. Maybe he’s the better person. She may be a sponge. Just because she’s a woman doesn’t mean she’s the right person for the job. It sounds like she’s a little less than ummm… thoughtful.

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