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To have said to my friend that she can be snobby

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StartingAgain33 · 25/11/2021 12:19

I have a friend (j). She was going out with a lovely guy (R) for a couple of months but ended up dropping him. She called him 'stupid' (only to me but still) and told him he had to change the way he talked because it wasn't 'proper english' when they were going out, so he was trying to change his accent etc.

When she broke up with him she told him she couldn't believe he didn't have savings and that they could never go on the types of holidays she wanted to go on (he has a decent living, but he isn't money driven and also has a daughter who he supports financially. She was also incredulous he hadn't been to London before etc, and I think left him feeling a bit crap.

Fast forward six months and she decided she wanted to go him a go again because she's realised he's actually a really nice person compared to most people she dates and maybe the money thing doesn't matter (she is independently wealthy, has a big trust fund and also owns her house outright etc so can afford to pay more if they have a kid together). So they started seeing eachother, but he was initially reluctant because he said he felt he didn't have enough money for her. Instead of trying to reassure him she said he was being 'stupid' and took it as a big rejection even though she had initially given him this idea?

Anyway, eventually they get it together and spend a weekend together, but he ends it at the end saying they were too different. She's inconsolable, and sends me a ten minute crying voice note about. In the voice note, she says he said he was worried about her ever meeting his family, and she doesn't understand it, but at the same time says she heard his mum on the phone who 'sounded AWFUL - wasn't speaking proper English, was REALLY CHAVVY' etc, and also said that she just 'can't bring herself to like the kind of people that shop in B&M (!)' (even though she shops in B&M?), but that she would have comprimised for him etc. She said they'd had a conversation about their favourite pubs, and she said her favourite was a Raymond Blanc one and his was a carvery - she'd been incredulous and said 'what? those canteen things?'. She'd also called a garden ornament he'd said he liked 'cheap, plasticky and chavvy'. But she totally didn't get why he would come away feeling crap from that interaction.

I actually had to stop the voicenote halfway through as I just found it really hard to listen to. I hate snobbery in and of itself. It's just so lazy and reeks of insecurity. And on a personal note, I went to Oxford uni and sound posh but I grew up on a council estate and have a 'chavvy' family, as she'd put it. I felt she was speaking to the wrong audience.

I told her I found it hard to listen to and that I can see why he came away feeling like they weren't right together, and that I know she is a kind person but this kind of chat doesn't align with that for me. I've been quite gentle and kind about it, as much as I can, but she's turning it into a massive drama and saying 'why can't I have an opinion about a cheap plasticky garden ornament' and 'but I don't like chavs!' and she just won't see my perspective at all.

I've only known her a year but we've become quite close during that time. I have noticed she's unnecessarily harsh about people, and often to their faces. She has also fallen out with pretty much all of her friends and she doesn't really have any. I'm now thinking I can see why, as I'm starting to feel her anger turn on me but I couldn't just sit there and listen to this stuff. I get she's upset that they've broken up and I want to support her but she won't stop spouting this crap and they'd only been together again a week.

Am I being unreasonable?

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StartingAgain33 · 25/11/2021 12:23

She's also so angry and upset with me I'm now thinking of just apologising. I didn't mean to make her feel judged but I couldn't sit there and listen to it over and over. We had a massive long argument about it and she wouldn't back down asking me to justify why I thought it was rude and disagreeing with me etc. I'm exhausted and not sure I want to lose her friendship over this, but also I'm starting to think maybe she's just not a nice person. Am I being overly harsh?

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Pedalpushers · 25/11/2021 12:28

There's nothing wrong with having dating preferences but frankly, people who are this snobby are the lowest of the low. To judge others for not being as fortunate as you is frankly disgusting and for her to suggest what you said is in any way equivalent is gross. I wouldn't want to be her friend anymore, and indeed it seems noone else does.

3scape · 25/11/2021 12:34

It's not going to be a loss to you if you move forward never apologising to her. If you did apologise it would have to be half hearted (sorry you felt judged) but clearly you have conflicting values (yours around respect hers seemingly not). I bet that guy is counting his blessings he saw sense!

Fimofriend · 25/11/2021 12:34

She wouldn't hesitate for even two seconds before calling your mum chavvy to your face. Dump her. She is not a nice person.

PleasantBirthday · 25/11/2021 12:36

I think this friendship may have run its course. She doesn't sound like a very nice person and I think it's clear why she struggles to keep relationships.

Bluntness100 · 25/11/2021 12:38

God don’t aPologise, what a horrible woman. She’s rude, judgement, snobbish, self absorbed and lacking in any form of empathy.

grapewine · 25/11/2021 12:38

Not all people that are kind to you are actually kind people. She'd turn on you so fast, I bet. Don't wait around for that.

VestaTilley · 25/11/2021 12:41

YANBU, she sounds awful and like she has no grace or tact.

The poor man she was dating sounded lovely; he’ll be left really insecure now because of her. She sounds totally un-self aware.

I’m not sure I’d waste much effort on someone you’ve only known a year; just let her go.

Sally872 · 25/11/2021 12:42

Ditch her. Honestly wouldn't be friends with someone like that. Horrible attitude from her

FlowerFlour · 25/11/2021 12:43

The more you try to reason with her the more she'll think she is in a reasonable position; she's not. Flatly tell her "You are a stuck up bitch and you can't even pretend to be nice. You fall out with all your friends and when you find a decent man you drive him away with your sneery comments. Get therapy. We are done." Then block her. Easy peasy.

notanothertakeaway · 25/11/2021 12:45

She sounds horrible

TBH, I don't offer my advice unless someone asks for it. But if I said anything, I might frame it as "When you said X, how do think he felt?", rather than "You shouldn't have said X"

AryaStarkWolf · 25/11/2021 12:47

Glad that guy dumped her, she's sounds horrible. And you were dead right to call her a snob

MarshmallowSwede · 25/11/2021 12:48

She sounds like a terrible person tbh. She should just find a “posh” man who is up to her expectations and they can be terrible togther. Someone like her is going to end up with a man who is similar to her. No decent man would put up with this.

And no you don’t owe her an apology. She needs to hear how her behavior affects others.

Annabel7 · 25/11/2021 12:49

Well know you know why she doesn't have any other friends! She sounds horrific. Not sure why you'd want to salvage this friendship tbh

ShirleyPhallus · 25/11/2021 12:52

I was all ready to come here and defend snobs, I am a snob because I hate carvery and stuff, except I’m a snob about things rather than people.

But she sounds fucking awful. Describing people as chavvy is really bad.

Keke94LND · 25/11/2021 12:57

I ended a friendship with a similar sort of person who I lived with at the time, the last straw was when she had her friend over for dinner, I was cooking my dinner whilst they were doing there's and they were talking about laughing about this 'really fit guy on Instagram' who they just discovered was actually disabled and how they no longer fancied him, how 'would it be bad if I unfollowed him now' how they couldn't imagine having sex with a disabled person and how him winning some award must of been a sympathy vote! I thought fuck this and just never spoke to the bitch again!

StartingAgain33 · 25/11/2021 13:12

@Keke94LND that's horrific. She has also slagged off 'fat people' before as if they've killed someone by being heavier, and said a guy she went on a date with would be good looking if he lost some weight which I found just really unnecessary. I get that we're allowed to have physical preferences but it's just so...needless.

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gannett · 25/11/2021 13:12

You've only known her a year... she just hasn't had cause to reveal her true colours until now.

Ugh, hate it when that happens though. You think you've made a nice new pal and then they casually drop in some WTF vile snobbery/prejudice. You did well to pull her up on it.

babybunny123 · 25/11/2021 13:14

Dump her now, she is never going to change. She will end up very sad and very lonely if she does not change her ways and she isnt going to is she?.

billy1966 · 25/11/2021 13:15

@Fimofriend

She wouldn't hesitate for even two seconds before calling your mum chavvy to your face. Dump her. She is not a nice person.
Why on earth would you want to be around her.

She sounds awful.

He is well rid.

RKid · 25/11/2021 13:19

She sounds awful. Really not my cup of tea at all. I would’ve binned her off a long time ago.

StartingAgain33 · 25/11/2021 13:19

Apparently I'm not a chav because 'chavviness is about behaviour' - like having a fight etc - but at the same time she said 'it mustn't have escaped your notice that a certain kind of person shops in B&M'. How can you know how someone behaves if you're judging them on where they shop??

She also bought up an incident where she'd said her friend had been sending her pics he'd taken secretly of women giving him blowjobs and i'd said I thought that was gross and couldn't be friends with someone who did something like that. And she said she didn't care what someone did as long as they were a good friend to her. So this doesn't even add up if she hates chavs because of the way they behave?? Also, surely there has to be a line - would she friends with Hitler if he was nice to her??

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grapewine · 25/11/2021 13:24

Every update leaves me wondering why you're close with this person?

She seems to slag everyone off.

StartingAgain33 · 25/11/2021 13:28

@grapewine it was just the odd comment before that felt dodgy but was not too bad in the context of someone who's been mostly really kind and a brilliant friend to me. Which is why I've found this hard - it doesn't square with who she is most of the time, although I have noticed her getting more moody with me lately and the last time she came to stay with me for the weekend recently, on the way she was in a foul mood and ignored a colleague who was on the same coach as her, then told me that she 'really hated most people' and I was pretty much the only person she liked apart from her brother. Which made me feel uncomfortable and like I wasn't exactly looking forward to her company tbh. Then this happened. So...

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TrashyPanda · 25/11/2021 13:32

She sounds ghastly.

To heck with “class” - she shows her true colours every time she opens her mouth. People who are kind, considerate, hardworking etc are much classier than she is.

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