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To have said to my friend that she can be snobby

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StartingAgain33 · 25/11/2021 12:19

I have a friend (j). She was going out with a lovely guy (R) for a couple of months but ended up dropping him. She called him 'stupid' (only to me but still) and told him he had to change the way he talked because it wasn't 'proper english' when they were going out, so he was trying to change his accent etc.

When she broke up with him she told him she couldn't believe he didn't have savings and that they could never go on the types of holidays she wanted to go on (he has a decent living, but he isn't money driven and also has a daughter who he supports financially. She was also incredulous he hadn't been to London before etc, and I think left him feeling a bit crap.

Fast forward six months and she decided she wanted to go him a go again because she's realised he's actually a really nice person compared to most people she dates and maybe the money thing doesn't matter (she is independently wealthy, has a big trust fund and also owns her house outright etc so can afford to pay more if they have a kid together). So they started seeing eachother, but he was initially reluctant because he said he felt he didn't have enough money for her. Instead of trying to reassure him she said he was being 'stupid' and took it as a big rejection even though she had initially given him this idea?

Anyway, eventually they get it together and spend a weekend together, but he ends it at the end saying they were too different. She's inconsolable, and sends me a ten minute crying voice note about. In the voice note, she says he said he was worried about her ever meeting his family, and she doesn't understand it, but at the same time says she heard his mum on the phone who 'sounded AWFUL - wasn't speaking proper English, was REALLY CHAVVY' etc, and also said that she just 'can't bring herself to like the kind of people that shop in B&M (!)' (even though she shops in B&M?), but that she would have comprimised for him etc. She said they'd had a conversation about their favourite pubs, and she said her favourite was a Raymond Blanc one and his was a carvery - she'd been incredulous and said 'what? those canteen things?'. She'd also called a garden ornament he'd said he liked 'cheap, plasticky and chavvy'. But she totally didn't get why he would come away feeling crap from that interaction.

I actually had to stop the voicenote halfway through as I just found it really hard to listen to. I hate snobbery in and of itself. It's just so lazy and reeks of insecurity. And on a personal note, I went to Oxford uni and sound posh but I grew up on a council estate and have a 'chavvy' family, as she'd put it. I felt she was speaking to the wrong audience.

I told her I found it hard to listen to and that I can see why he came away feeling like they weren't right together, and that I know she is a kind person but this kind of chat doesn't align with that for me. I've been quite gentle and kind about it, as much as I can, but she's turning it into a massive drama and saying 'why can't I have an opinion about a cheap plasticky garden ornament' and 'but I don't like chavs!' and she just won't see my perspective at all.

I've only known her a year but we've become quite close during that time. I have noticed she's unnecessarily harsh about people, and often to their faces. She has also fallen out with pretty much all of her friends and she doesn't really have any. I'm now thinking I can see why, as I'm starting to feel her anger turn on me but I couldn't just sit there and listen to this stuff. I get she's upset that they've broken up and I want to support her but she won't stop spouting this crap and they'd only been together again a week.

Am I being unreasonable?

OP posts:
BronwenFrideswide · 25/11/2021 17:00

You are right to be done with her OP, you will never change her attitude or make her see things differently. People with an attitude like hers not only look down their noses at people who shop in B&M but also the people who work there, anyone who they consider lesser than them and purely there to serve and wait on their superior selves. It is an ugly trait to have - her other friends found this out, her ex boyfriend has found this out, you now know this, do as they have done and drop her. Her loneliness is her reward for being so snobby, sneery, judgemental, prejudiced and unkind, leave her to stew in it.

QuickLearner · 25/11/2021 17:06

Oh just get shot of her she sounds fucking vile
Way too much drama for one person, all that energy she's using in slagging people off she must be exhausted, and so would I be if I were her mate.
If she was my last mate standing I'd rather be friendless tbh

ChargingBuck · 25/11/2021 17:14

Anyway, to balance this out - in terms of what she offers me - she is a really consistent friend. We talk A LOT. She's kind of been like my platonic partner we've gotten so close.

Yup OP, I was kinda getting this vibe from your updates - thinking that this is the platonic version of the classic spousal abuse cycle.
All abusers start off nice - or people would not enter or stay in relationships with them. Many abusers also love bomb, & in your short year of knowing, her I think this is what she has done.

The abuse cycle invariably follows the pattern of -
"Idealise / Devalue / Discard"
You have spent a year being Idealised.
You are now in the Devalue phase.
If you continue to have the temerity to have your own opinion & not kowtow to hers on this issue, she will put you in the Discard phase.

It's exactly what she did to this poor guy.
Eventually Discarding him ... only to Hoover him back in, by re-approaching him with an Idealise mindset. Had he stayed, she would have simply repeated the cycle again & again.

What she did to that guy, she will do to you.
He has the sense to see the pattern, & escape. I suggest you copy him!

www.betterhelp.com/advice/love/what-is-love-bombing-examples-and-dangers/ (see especially "Mistreatment of Others")

www.healthyplace.com/abuse/domestic-violence/cycle-of-violence-and-abuse-and-how-to-break-the-cycle-of-abuse#:~:text=The%20basic%20parts%20of%20a%20domestic%20violence%20cycle

lonerwolf.com/hoovering/

BringOnTheOtherWorlders · 25/11/2021 17:17

She's an abusive hater. She can be charming and lovely in the beginning and can make friends, but then her hater comes out and she can't maintain friends.

You two will have a falling out soon - just like the others - and it will be over.

ChargingBuck · 25/11/2021 17:20

@OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg

She sounds snobby and pretentious, you’re bitching judgementally behind the back of someone you call a “friend”. Neither of you are coming out of this covered in glory.
Oh FFS @OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg, OP has gone out of her way to highlight the good points she has worked so hard on seeing in this awful woman, & has come to an anonymous forum to seek advice on whether she is being unkind in wanting to distance herself.

She hasn't "bitched" once.
You, however .... Hmm

StartingAgain33 · 25/11/2021 17:30

Thanks @ChargingBuck. Also @OnlyTheTitosaurusOfTheIceberg I have actually confronted her about this - it's hardly like she doesn't know i have an issue. I started gently but then as it got more heated said outright that the tone of disgust and snobbery in some of the things she says are really offputting, and that if I were that guy I also would have walked away. Also I have confronted her on the other points I've made too. So I've hardly been pretending everything is fine and dandy.

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WiddlinDiddlin · 25/11/2021 18:21

She sounds pretty unpleasant, very judgemental and hard work, she also sounds very insecure.

She is right, she can have whatever opinion she wants, and she can voice those opinions, that is her right.

However she can't expect NOT to be judged on those opinions and she can't expect everyone to agree with her, or to continue wanting to spend time with her if she does this.

MrsBerthaRochester · 25/11/2021 18:27

My best friend is similiar. Bought a one bedroom flat in a "posh" area when she could have got a three bed house five minutes down the road.
Been single for years but would only consider men who own their own home and car.
Happily shops in charity shops but wont use Primark as its chavvy. I just smile and ignore.

WithANameLikeDaniCalifornia · 25/11/2021 18:33

and that I know she is a kind person

No, she really isn’t. She is a nasty and angry person who will find herself all alone in life.
You’re too good to be friends with her. Block her number.

Kippersfortea · 25/11/2021 18:35

I hate snobs. I find anyone who uses the word 'chav' regularly generally falls into this category and that it's a pretty good way of weeding out the kind of people I don't want to be friends with.

EyesAsGreenAsAFreshPickledToad · 25/11/2021 18:42

she is a really consistent friend. We talk A LOT. She's kind of been like my platonic partner we've gotten so close

She’s obsessively clinging on to you all the time because she has no one else in her life (her own fault for falling out with people). She will drop you and move on as soon as she makes a new friend that she deems “better” than you.

Nietzschethehiker · 25/11/2021 18:59

I think in all honesty people have different deal breakers on friendships so it will be hard for anyone else to advise.

I've had a friend before who was absolutely a snob but stayed behind the line of offensive. Her good points absolutely outweighed the worrying bits. In all fairness I am aware I have my bad points so of I expect a friend to overlook mine then I do the same....to a point.

This level of behaviour is not just snobbery its actively nasty and attacking so this old be a deal breaker and I couldn't bring myself to accept this. However I certainly accepted other behaviours from my ex friend that I'm sure others wouldn't. I stepped away from that friendship when she became engaged and got incredibly judgemental about other peoples relationships. Mine and others. Despite hers being far from fairy tale itself she crossed the line into actively hurting people under the guise of "having the right to her own opinion " she did....as we all had the right to walk away.

It comes down to whether you can accept her behaviour. I couldn't and I do agree with a pp being a snob in general is lazy and ignorant but there is a line that I think we all accept to a point, depends where yours is.

billy1966 · 25/11/2021 19:12

@EyesAsGreenAsAFreshPickledToad

she is a really consistent friend. We talk A LOT. She's kind of been like my platonic partner we've gotten so close

She’s obsessively clinging on to you all the time because she has no one else in her life (her own fault for falling out with people). She will drop you and move on as soon as she makes a new friend that she deems “better” than you.

This.

You should reflect on your need to see the best in people.

Why would you need to do that?

Clearly not all people are good, so wanting to see the best in people despite it not be reality, is both silly and living in denial of the truth.

What is the value of living in denial?

Rather than spending so much energy and time with this odious woman, you would be far wiser to invest your time making friends with a decent woman, not someone who's views are so unpleasant.

People judge others by the company they keep.

What does it say about you that you are spending so much time with this woman?

Flowers
Linning · 25/11/2021 21:07

She sounds absolutely dreadful OP, honestly unbearable. I work with the super rich/some «known» folks and I have been pleasantly surprised to see that a fair amount (though of course and unfortunately not all) wouldn’t dream of bragging and look down on others less fortunate. Even people who grew up in wealth and have known nothing else and have more staff than one would think necessary to run an household still often manage to find total respect and sympathy for people of different background and manage to be very conscious of their privileges while never judging others for having the background that they do.

People like your friend are the worst kind of people. People who want to make others feel shitty because they think their financial success define what quality human they are when how they talk about it usually what define them best and paints the worst picture of them.

Being a snob has nothing to do with being rich/having money and all to do with personality and your perception of others. I personally thrive on simple things and no amount of money will ever make me change that. I ironically actually was just thinking this evening how much I crave junk food or a simple pot of spaghetti bolognese. Like REALLY. It’s silly but because I work in this environment my meals are usually paid and cooked for. It’s extremely generous and I am extremely grateful but the reality is that even if I was billionaire I wouldn’t fancy AT ALL going to a Michelin star restaurant. I force myself to eat about everything for good measure and appreciate the new flavors but honestly I am someone who likes simple (almost kid like) meals but of course what those people eat is usually high end cuisine and not at all my childhood favorites. And so I have been really really missing a pot of grilled pasta or just bread and pathé as, due to my work schedule and only having one day off a week, I have no real way to actually run to McDonald’s to get some fries unless on that one day and by then I am craving it so much I am willing to do a lot of things to get it. If I have a date on my day off we for sure aren’t going to a Michelin star restaurant, we are going to the local pub and I am getting the steak and fries I am craving for. I am sure your friend would be horrified if she went on a date with me and think I am broke and the dirt under her shoe, but disliking certain things/people and liking only certain people/brands doesn’t make someone superior to others. It’s sad when people think, and worse, act as if it does. One’s preferences and likes also have nothing to do with wealth status and how much people have.

I am glad her snobiness made her lose a genuinely nice guy who (thankfully!) knows his worth. Maybe next time she will rethink her actions/words.

I would not be able to be friend with someone like her and in fact I wouldn’t even work with her. Find new less snobby friends, OP. Who you surround yourself with and what you tolerate in friendship is also very much a reflection of you so pick people who share your values or who you don’t mind being associated with.

Skysblue · 26/11/2021 09:29

Why on earth do you want to be friends with such a snobby shallow person?!

Do NOT apologise to this woman! She is badly in need of a reality check.

Skysblue · 26/11/2021 09:33

Ps she isn’t upset about losing the guy, she’s crushed to have been rejected by someone she feels so superior to when she felt she was slumming it and expected him to be grateful to be with her.

RedRobin100 · 26/11/2021 09:35

She sounds delightful

Nat

SprayedWithDettol · 26/11/2021 09:41

Is she Priti Patel by any chance?

jb7445 · 26/11/2021 09:50

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StartingAgain33 · 26/11/2021 09:51

@billy1966 I think I'd rather try and see the best in people than the worst (like I believe my friend does). But I do agree there is a balance and I think I'm getting better at catching stuff early and acting on it.

I think I often worry I'm being overly criticial myself and struggle to know what is fair, but as I get older I'm letting go of this because it's really about my own preferences, and there is no universal definition of 'good' or 'bad' person (although i do find others' perspectives helpful on this). Also, my mum is a pretty horrible person so perhaps my threshold is quite high, and I think I often feel sorry for people who struggle like this because maybe subconsciously it reminds me of her. That's my armchair psychoanalysis :)

She lives in a different city to me, so I haven't actually spent very much time with her in person - a few weekends - our friendship is mostly on the phone, texts etc and we're in touch every day pretty much. So perhaps that's why it's taken me a while to know her true character, which would have been clearer if we could spend more time in person. The people I spend time with in real life are genuinely very nice :)

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user1471457751 · 26/11/2021 09:52

So she's okay with a man committing sex crimes against women as long as he's a decent friend to her? That should have been enough for you to ditch her. And if you know that bloke's name then you should report him to the police.

billy1966 · 26/11/2021 15:02

OP,

You sound very nice and your mother being awful is the reason your threshold is so high.

I like to see the good in people too, but it doesn't mean I can't spot rotten very quickly.

We all judge people.
How can we not?
We have a brain and we think and reflect.

You are being lined up by this woman as her crutch and emotional punching bag as she has alienated all others.

Be careful she doesn't move closer.

I would be VERY wary and would be less available.
Flowers

StartingAgain33 · 26/11/2021 15:04

Just as an update, I had asked her for a conversation yesterday and she said 'do you think we really need it? we can just stop talking about it'. So I sent her a carefully worded voice note saying that I was flummoxed that she couldn't at least try and see my opinion on this or for causing offence even if she doesn't agree the term chav is offensive, and that it could have all been resolved with a simple apology instead of her vehemently disagreeing with me at every turn.

I told her she had the right to her opinions, yes, but so did I and I'm not going to back down on this one. If she wants to step away from the friendship in order to preserve her right to hers, or so she doesn't have to censor herself, then so be it.

She sent one back again not acknowledging any apology for how her words are received, saying that the bloke in question had no issue with them, that everyone in her city uses the word and it doesn't have the same connotations, and that she doesn't want to be made to feel like an awful person and I clearly don't like her so whereas there's no hard feelings on her part she agrees with ending the friendship.

So that's that! I do feel a bit sad as we were close, but I'm annoyed she still couldn't just apologise or meet in the middle.

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billy1966 · 26/11/2021 15:15

You have dodged a bullet OP.

She may be back as people don't tolerate her, and you did.

Take this time for yourself and focus on other relationships and making new ones.

This is a good dayFlowers

Letsallscreamatthesistene · 26/11/2021 16:24

Where is she from?

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