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To have said to my friend that she can be snobby

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StartingAgain33 · 25/11/2021 12:19

I have a friend (j). She was going out with a lovely guy (R) for a couple of months but ended up dropping him. She called him 'stupid' (only to me but still) and told him he had to change the way he talked because it wasn't 'proper english' when they were going out, so he was trying to change his accent etc.

When she broke up with him she told him she couldn't believe he didn't have savings and that they could never go on the types of holidays she wanted to go on (he has a decent living, but he isn't money driven and also has a daughter who he supports financially. She was also incredulous he hadn't been to London before etc, and I think left him feeling a bit crap.

Fast forward six months and she decided she wanted to go him a go again because she's realised he's actually a really nice person compared to most people she dates and maybe the money thing doesn't matter (she is independently wealthy, has a big trust fund and also owns her house outright etc so can afford to pay more if they have a kid together). So they started seeing eachother, but he was initially reluctant because he said he felt he didn't have enough money for her. Instead of trying to reassure him she said he was being 'stupid' and took it as a big rejection even though she had initially given him this idea?

Anyway, eventually they get it together and spend a weekend together, but he ends it at the end saying they were too different. She's inconsolable, and sends me a ten minute crying voice note about. In the voice note, she says he said he was worried about her ever meeting his family, and she doesn't understand it, but at the same time says she heard his mum on the phone who 'sounded AWFUL - wasn't speaking proper English, was REALLY CHAVVY' etc, and also said that she just 'can't bring herself to like the kind of people that shop in B&M (!)' (even though she shops in B&M?), but that she would have comprimised for him etc. She said they'd had a conversation about their favourite pubs, and she said her favourite was a Raymond Blanc one and his was a carvery - she'd been incredulous and said 'what? those canteen things?'. She'd also called a garden ornament he'd said he liked 'cheap, plasticky and chavvy'. But she totally didn't get why he would come away feeling crap from that interaction.

I actually had to stop the voicenote halfway through as I just found it really hard to listen to. I hate snobbery in and of itself. It's just so lazy and reeks of insecurity. And on a personal note, I went to Oxford uni and sound posh but I grew up on a council estate and have a 'chavvy' family, as she'd put it. I felt she was speaking to the wrong audience.

I told her I found it hard to listen to and that I can see why he came away feeling like they weren't right together, and that I know she is a kind person but this kind of chat doesn't align with that for me. I've been quite gentle and kind about it, as much as I can, but she's turning it into a massive drama and saying 'why can't I have an opinion about a cheap plasticky garden ornament' and 'but I don't like chavs!' and she just won't see my perspective at all.

I've only known her a year but we've become quite close during that time. I have noticed she's unnecessarily harsh about people, and often to their faces. She has also fallen out with pretty much all of her friends and she doesn't really have any. I'm now thinking I can see why, as I'm starting to feel her anger turn on me but I couldn't just sit there and listen to this stuff. I get she's upset that they've broken up and I want to support her but she won't stop spouting this crap and they'd only been together again a week.

Am I being unreasonable?

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StartingAgain33 · 26/11/2021 16:35

@Letsallscreamatthesistene she is from Cheltenham - does this make it more understandable? Apparently everyone uses this word and it comes from there? According to her, even if my family are chavs that doesn't mean she is saying that they are bad people?

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Letsallscreamatthesistene · 26/11/2021 16:37

[quote StartingAgain33]@Letsallscreamatthesistene she is from Cheltenham - does this make it more understandable? Apparently everyone uses this word and it comes from there? According to her, even if my family are chavs that doesn't mean she is saying that they are bad people?[/quote]
No, chav means the same in Cheltenham as it does anywhere else. I grew up near there....

Shes just trying to wriggle out of the trouble shes caused herself.

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 26/11/2021 16:40

How would she know what ‘everyone’ says? She drives them all away.

She’s a nasty, shallow creature who cares not a hot for others’ feelings or concerns, and you’d be better off without her.

Lavender24 · 26/11/2021 16:43

She doesn't sound very nice. I tell my DH off for saying words like aboot/doon (we're Geordie) cause I think it sounds stupid and I don't want our daughter to copy but I wouldn't actually ask him to change his accent. Also B&M Bargains is amazing and she doesn't know what she's missing, silly woman.

StartingAgain33 · 26/11/2021 16:46

@Lavender24 she does actually shop there so I guess she was being a bit knowingly tongue in cheek. I'm still wondering whether I've been a bit harsh here but anyway, what's done is done.

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IncompleteSenten · 26/11/2021 16:49

She's got some nerve bleating on about being judged when she is a really judgemental nasty snob!

ChargingBuck · 26/11/2021 17:40

Also, my mum is a pretty horrible person so perhaps my threshold is quite high, and I think I often feel sorry for people who struggle like this because maybe subconsciously it reminds me of her. That's my armchair psychoanalysis

& my armchair reckons you are spot-on with this OP :)

A hangover from the people-pleasing you probably did to manage your mother's verbal attacks on you ...
You have no need to please this 'friend' when you (righteously, imo) disagree with her, & would be reverting to people-pleasing if you offer an apology. Don't debase yourself by doing that, please ... she doesn't deserve your deference.

R0tational · 26/11/2021 17:46

Do you have his number OP? Wink

ChargingBuck · 26/11/2021 17:48

oops seen your update about your last exchange with her now OP.

Well done, & if you feel a moment's hesitation or self-doubt, remember how she deflected & minimised everything she said to & about her Ex, by presenting it back to you as 'just a dispute over the meaning & usage of the word chav'.

I expect the 'chav' part was the least of her sneering, diminishing, punishing behaviours, but so much easier to pretend that your dismay with her is about a word, rather than her own character, innit?

Bullet. Dodged. Wine xx

2bazookas · 26/11/2021 18:19

You are unreasonable in that you maintain the delusion she is your "friend". She has demonstrated over and over that she has no time or consideration for you (or anybody else). She is an overbearing bully.
She uses you to vent her bile, when it suits her.

It's a brief acquaintance, just a year,  so why on earth  are you so willing to roll over and let her walk all over you?
StartingAgain33 · 26/11/2021 18:33

@chargingbuck on the character thing, she actually said I guess I am a bit of a snob and so is my family - but that she didn't really care or see the need to change. At one point I actually asked her if she wanted to be a nice person as she's joked a couple of times that she's a horrible person which I never took seriously but now I think maybe she just genuinely doesn't care... I don't even know how to comprehend that!

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pigsDOfly · 26/11/2021 20:17

Snobs are snobs for a reason.

Some people really enjoy the feeling of looking down on others and, in their head, feeling superior to everyone else, it doesn't make them superior human beings though.

Sounds like she's calling herself a horrible person in the same way that she might admit to being a snob; it probably something she's really rather proud of.

StartingAgain33 · 26/11/2021 20:30

Yes. Nail on the end @pigsDOfly, I think that's the case.

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ChargingBuck · 26/11/2021 20:46

she's joked a couple of times that she's a horrible person which I never took seriously

She was boundary-testing OP.
To see what you would stomach, ie what she could get away with.
If you'd chosen to stick around,, she'd have escalated until your were blaming yourself for her bile. (Like you nearly did this time, in considering an apology - well done again on that front.)
Cast your mind back & you'll remember other examples of her doing this.

Here's how it works - apply the scenario described in this article to your 'friendship' & you'll see what I mean.
www.oomm.live/the-shark-cage-metaphor-spotting-potential-abusers/

Plus, Shark Cage is a mighty fine lesson for any woman to learn :)

carbon60 · 26/11/2021 20:51

I think he's had a lucky escape and should run for the hills .

StartingAgain33 · 26/11/2021 21:16

@ChargingBuck I've had a look at the shark cage. I appreciate the point that it's wise to be careful of people with few friends, but I'm mixed on whether she meets that many of the criteria?

She has been challenging my boundaries and saying no to them in this argument, but in general this hasn't happened before as far as I can remember.

I do think she can sometimes be quite critical of my choices in terms of judging me and my dating habits - I occasionally feel like i can't be bothered to tell her things as I know she'll question my decision and I don't want to have to explain myself. I'm not sure if that is subtly controlling or not. I also get the sense she is short with me sometimes as I tend to have more success than her on that front - certainly less arguments with random blokes on dating apps anyway.

She can be moody when she is down generally, but it's just that she is really unhappy - I really don't feel it's personal. She doesn't have massive mood swings and certainly has never really been angry with me.

She doesn't ever seem resentful of me having other friends (apart from saying she doesn't need them like I do). She says she has always been very happy in her own company.

She actively encourages me to have hobbies etc and is happy when I'm happy.

She's also very happy to give me space if I'm busy etc.

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ChargingBuck · 27/11/2021 00:38

Starting, you are the best judge of what's best for you, take anything I've posted with as many pinches of salt as you see fit.

Just ... don't overthink this, Don't waste time trying to match "criteria" or make excuses, or minimise because it makes you feel mean when you think negative things about people, so your inner people-pleaser, no matter how intellectually alert to it you are, sabotages your own best interests.

Go with your gut.
And when your gut tells you "enough already" - heed it!

WomanStanleyWoman · 27/11/2021 04:25

She sounds hideous. I’d dump her like radioactive waste.

gingerbiscuits · 27/11/2021 12:24

@PleasantBirthday

I think this friendship may have run its course. She doesn't sound like a very nice person and I think it's clear why she struggles to keep relationships.
This! ⬆️

She sounds awful. Cut her loose & don't feel any guilt about it.

FreedomFaith · 27/11/2021 13:31

God she is horrible. That poor guy. No wonder he and no one else wants her. She needs to change and sharp before she is left alone.

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