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We can't mention positives of Breastfeeding for fear of offending

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Silverclasp · 18/11/2021 17:00

Recently there was an interesting thread about a husband not wanting his wife to Breastfeed (he wanted to give formula) posters were highlighting the positives of Breastfeeding (since this was the topic) but there was a response essentially saying that by pointing out the benefits that we are shaming non bf mothers.
It got me thinking that I actively don't speak about bf for this very reason, I feel like if the person I'm talking to doesn't bf it can be seen as "shaming" like I never post anything pro Breastfeeding on SM in case I offend someone. It's kind of ridiculous.
Interested in both sides of the argument.

So say I reposted an article on SM which stated that studies have indicated that breastfed babies have a larger thymus gland than formula fed babies and more tcells as a result. Would this be unreasonable and cause offence to non bf mothers?

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updownroundandround · 20/11/2021 12:35

In all honesty, someone WILL be 'offended' no matter what the bloody subject was !!

I say let them be offended, write about whatever you believe in. No-one is going to put a gun to their heads to force them to read it !

If people would simply continue on with their daily lives regardless of whether or not anyone else was 'offended' by it, we'd have a better world, because it's impossible to please All of the people ALL of the time !

OhWhyNot · 20/11/2021 12:40

Yes there is a section of society that have turned early parenthood into an art form. It’s so self absorbed and so competitive

Feed, love and care and do the best for for your baby/babies as the vast vast majority of parents are doing all around the world and getting on with like without having to constantly want validation for doing so

thepeopleversuswork · 20/11/2021 12:50

@Tabbacus

I irrationally dislike the term mama, but wouldn't say I related it to breastfeeding, just people who are overall irritating af.
Yeah for sure. Not all breastfeeding mothers are “mamas”. But all mamas have to breastfeed. You wouldn’t get through the door as a formula feeder.
Silverclasp · 20/11/2021 12:53

@updownroundandround I agree. We all have things we are sensitive about it's just part of life. I would have thought if someone reposts an article about a scientific study you would want to be pretty narcisstic to assume it was directed as a "dig" at you but it seems that's the case if this thread is anything to go by.

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thepeopleversuswork · 20/11/2021 12:57

[quote Silverclasp]@updownroundandround I agree. We all have things we are sensitive about it's just part of life. I would have thought if someone reposts an article about a scientific study you would want to be pretty narcisstic to assume it was directed as a "dig" at you but it seems that's the case if this thread is anything to go by.[/quote]
Sorry I just don't buy this. If you have spent any time at all talking to people about breastfeeding you will know its a highly polarised and emotionally charged subject.

Feeling you're being got at by people who were luckier than you in one very specific area of life which you struggled with when they hit you over the head again and again with research that backs up their argument doesn't make you narcicisstic.

Unless you were posting this in a breastfeeding group or to a bunch of scientific colleagues who studied this area I can't believe you would think this wouldnt elicit an emotional reaction.

JadeTrinket · 20/11/2021 13:05

[quote Silverclasp]@updownroundandround I agree. We all have things we are sensitive about it's just part of life. I would have thought if someone reposts an article about a scientific study you would want to be pretty narcisstic to assume it was directed as a "dig" at you but it seems that's the case if this thread is anything to go by.[/quote]
It’s simply that everyone is aware of the undeniable health benefits of breastfeeding. That campaign has been wholly successful. If someone keeps posting articles about the health benefits of bf, it’s as though someone is still banging on about how smoking causes cancer, as though people might mot have noticed.

The ‘bf has health benefits’ public information campaign hasn’t translated into higher bf rates, but that isn’t because people are unaware of the health benefits.

Glassofshloer · 20/11/2021 13:09

The ‘bf has health benefits’ public information campaign hasn’t translated into higher bf rates, but that isn’t because people are unaware of the health benefits.

Quite, in many cases women go back to work and have no option but to use formula. It’s like so many people are amazed we can’t lie about bfing for 3 years after a baby is born.

updownroundandround · 20/11/2021 13:10

Feeling you're being got at by people who were luckier than you in one very specific area of life which you struggled with when they hit you over the head again and again with research that backs up their argument doesn't make you narcicisstic.

Confused

Why on earth would you use the words '' they hit you over the head again and again'' and expect to be viewed as anything other than paranoid ? Confused

I think it speaks volumes about you, rather than being a 'reflection' on anyone else........

I feel for anyone who has ever felt 'got at' by others, but that doesn't change the fact that someone will be offended about something others believe or think or say.

The key is to not keep returning to the company of others who make you feel that way.

Glassofshloer · 20/11/2021 13:14

I think a lot of very pro-bfing people have problems acknowledging that a lot of people are aware of the benefits but feel formula is the right choice for them anyway.

Because of work commitments, childcare, MH issues, or simply because they don’t want to.

Different priorities.

Tonyschoco · 20/11/2021 13:14

@Kendodd

I didn't breast feed because I had no choice. Why this constant need for a reason as well? Even if you choose from day one to ff that's fine, bf has to work for both of you, there are two people in this relationship and they are both important.

I am very straightforward about the benefits/harms of bf/ff. I am also very straightforward that women have a right to choose what works for them and really don't get the guilt around it. We will do many, many things that are less than perfect for out children, I don't understand why bf has this special elevated place that mothers (never dads) feel uniquely guilty about.
Give up on the agonies over ff, you're going be giving them fucking Haribo in a few years (despite believing that'll never happen).

You literally said you believed formula to be harmful, and now you’re criticising women for feeling the need to defend their formula feeding. Are you high? You’re actively perpetuating the divisive narrative that you’re now criticising women for reacting to. Absolutely mental.
Glassofshloer · 20/11/2021 13:15

There really isn’t such a noticeable difference in health between ff babies and bf babies that it is worth all this angst.

Silverclasp · 20/11/2021 13:19

People posting photographs of themselves with their kids on mother's day or posting quotes about parenthood could be hurtful to someone who is struggling with infertility but anyone with any kind of self awareness knows it's about their own insecurity rather than people deliberately trying to upset them.
The OP clearly says it's one article about a scientific study it's hardly beating people over the head. I have literally never posted any BF related post publicly on my SM.

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JadeTrinket · 20/11/2021 13:20

@updownroundandround

Feeling you're being got at by people who were luckier than you in one very specific area of life which you struggled with when they hit you over the head again and again with research that backs up their argument doesn't make you narcicisstic. Confused

Why on earth would you use the words '' they hit you over the head again and again'' and expect to be viewed as anything other than paranoid ? Confused

I think it speaks volumes about you, rather than being a 'reflection' on anyone else........

I feel for anyone who has ever felt 'got at' by others, but that doesn't change the fact that someone will be offended about something others believe or think or say.

The key is to not keep returning to the company of others who make you feel that way.

But I don’t think that poster was talking about her friends, just about public discourses about breastfeeding, including on here. Obviously you can avoid people you know have a bee in their bonnet about bf — just as I avoided a friend of a friend who turned out to have something against c-sections and twice told me I ‘hadn’t given birth’ because I had one — but it’s omnipresent.

We all know the health benefits. This means that when you see us formula-feeding, there is no need to keep telling us about the research on health benefits. Whatever decision (or in some cases not a decision) we made was made in the full knowledge of those.

5128gap · 20/11/2021 13:23

@Silverclasp

People posting photographs of themselves with their kids on mother's day or posting quotes about parenthood could be hurtful to someone who is struggling with infertility but anyone with any kind of self awareness knows it's about their own insecurity rather than people deliberately trying to upset them. The OP clearly says it's one article about a scientific study it's hardly beating people over the head. I have literally never posted any BF related post publicly on my SM.
Why did you post the study?
Silverclasp · 20/11/2021 13:24

For example I find pictures of people with their dad's on fathers day really hurtful as my dad passed away..... but I wouldn't expect people not to post anything about their fathers and certainly wouldn't feel like it was directly aimed at me if they did. I would be very self centered if I thought that.

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Silverclasp · 20/11/2021 13:26

@5128gap I didn't post it. I was interested in the article and thought other people might be interested but didn't post it because I thought (it appears correctly) that people would take it as a personal dig if they didn't BF.

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Tumbleweed101 · 20/11/2021 13:33

There needs to be a lot more support in all areas of the early years. This push to get mums back to work so soon is damaging because it drives away support for parents. There seems to be a dismissive, you chose to do this so get on with it attitude in society now instead of seeing the upbringing and support of young families as an investment to the future of our country.
Information about the benefits of breast feeding need to go hand in hand with support, starting before the birth, and right through until mum and baby are ready to stop. If a mum can't breast feed but wanted to then if they have had every bit of support then the transition to bottle feeding might feel easier and if a mum wants to bottle feed from birth all the information and support should be there about the ingredients used in different brands and the pro and cons for those too.

roolz · 20/11/2021 13:46

Why did you post the study?

Why does anyone post anything? Op wants to share an article she found interesting or informative. How did this thread even get to 450+ posts?

OhWhyNot · 20/11/2021 13:51

I have been told on a few occasions I would have been able to exclusively bf and would have produced enough milk by so called experts because they had breastfed and done a little reading told me over and over again if only I persevered

I was unable to give birth naturally so why is that accepted that at times we need intervention but not for feeding.

Luckily I didn’t feel upset or offended by these women who never met me but knew my body so much better than I did but I can see if I had felt down i would have done but they certainly annoyed me not because they were hitting a raw nerve but because of their condescending know all opinions that was not support it was smug condescending

We don’t all produce enough milk (runs in my family) our bodies do not always do as we few they should as designed to and we no longer have (or rarely have) family around to also bf feed (which was common in the past and still in some cultures)

I’ve tried to give support on here to women who are struggling because they can’t bf but the threads are so often over taken by the breast is best I shall tell you what to do as I know best brigade

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 20/11/2021 14:06

@Silverclasp

For example I find pictures of people with their dad's on fathers day really hurtful as my dad passed away..... but I wouldn't expect people not to post anything about their fathers and certainly wouldn't feel like it was directly aimed at me if they did. I would be very self centered if I thought that.
But no-one has ever told you that the reason your dad died was because you were not determined enough or gave up too easily so whilst I can see why this pains you, it is not a good comparison.
Silverclasp · 20/11/2021 14:08

@Whatiswrongwithmyknee actually they did say that about him. He committed suicide

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5128gap · 20/11/2021 14:09

@roolz

Why did you post the study?

Why does anyone post anything? Op wants to share an article she found interesting or informative. How did this thread even get to 450+ posts?

Well there can be many reasons can't there? To inform, educated or persuade, to spark discussion, to affirm ones own choices... I was just curious.
RidingMyBike · 20/11/2021 14:15

I heard nothing but the positives of BFing before I had my baby. It sounded amazing and I couldn't wait to get started with it.

The reality was very different and if I'd heard the negatives I could have made an informed choice to do it. It caused a seriously ill Mum and baby (severe PND and hypernatraemic dehydration - she came very close to brain damage), was possibly the least enjoyable thing I've ever done, wrecked our first months together, stopped me bonding with my baby and cost at least double the cost of formula. It then turned out the supposed 'benefits' had been hugely bigged up and weren't worth the sheer hell of doing it.

I ended up BFing for 3.5 years as I was under so much pressure to keep doing it and can honestly say it's the only thing I regret doing from the baby years.

5128gap · 20/11/2021 14:21

[quote Silverclasp]@5128gap I didn't post it. I was interested in the article and thought other people might be interested but didn't post it because I thought (it appears correctly) that people would take it as a personal dig if they didn't BF.[/quote]
I think to say people take it as a personal dig is unfair. People are saying that it upsets them to have the benefits of something they can't provide reinforced. By stretching this to say they see it as a dig, implies they are paranoid and slightly ridiculous, as who on earth is so self obsessed to think a factual post is aimed at them? In doing so this invalidates their feelings about the content of the post. I think if you genuinely don't want to upset people it's best to keep that sort of post for sharing with other BF women.

thepeopleversuswork · 20/11/2021 14:22

@updownroundandround

Feeling you're being got at by people who were luckier than you in one very specific area of life which you struggled with when they hit you over the head again and again with research that backs up their argument doesn't make you narcicisstic. Confused

Why on earth would you use the words '' they hit you over the head again and again'' and expect to be viewed as anything other than paranoid ? Confused

I think it speaks volumes about you, rather than being a 'reflection' on anyone else........

I feel for anyone who has ever felt 'got at' by others, but that doesn't change the fact that someone will be offended about something others believe or think or say.

The key is to not keep returning to the company of others who make you feel that way.

I don't hang around with breastfeeding zealots -- I'm too old now to be in the demographic really but when I was younger I just avoided getting drawn into discussion about it with people who I knew took a hardline view. But its very hard to avoid it

But I think putting this down to "everyone gets offended by something" is willfully misleading. There's a specific section of society which seeks to "educate" women about breastfeeding in a fairly zealous way and the right to proselytize about breastfeeding seems to takes precedence over the feelings and circumstances of people on the receiving end. This way of thinking doesn't take into account the very many variables and reasons why people don't breastfeed and assumes that failure to breastfeed is basically tantamount to negligent parenting. In some ways the closest analogy is to religious evangelism: its the belief that your argument gets to be heard over all other points of view and at all costs.

This is fairly unique to the breastfeeding debate. Look at another highly emotionally charged debate which you get on here all the time: the working mum vs SAHM debate. This often gets very heated and sometimes quite nasty on both sides. But there's a basic acceptance on both sides that no-one has the automatic moral high ground.

Even those people with the strongest views will acknowledge that their worldview doesn't work for everyone and there isn't a "one true way".

The breastfeeding debate is equally charged but different in that the pro bf lobby assumes that it has the moral authority over the argument at all times. There is no quarter given to people who struggle, who compromise or who just switch off and no attempt to take account of the broader question of health -- including the health of the mother. So no attempt is made to listen to the people who don't breastfeed and engage with the reasons why they don't. It's just "here's another study that proves why we're right". A bit like someone finding another Bible verse that proves something.

However vehement people's views are as to whether women should work or not, you rarely get people posting studies on Facebook that show the effects on children of their parents working or not. It's accepted that this is subjective, very difficult to quantify and highly likely to upset and irritate people.

For some reason, bf enthusiasts have no such filter or self-awareness. And it appears not to cross their mind that a very large number of people reading their posts will be upset by it. Not because they are professionally offended or "paranoid" but because they all have a personal story of not being able to breastfeed and reading yet another screed that shows why they were lazy or feckless or didn't try hard enough makes no difference.