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AIBU to want to scream every time my DF says these words?!

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BustyLaRoux · 16/11/2021 09:10

I want to begin by saying “aaaaaarrrgggghhh!!!!”

So my DF is really into music. I thought it would be nice if I took him to a gig for a guy he likes. I bought the tickets ages ago. (Please take yourself off if you have any comments about Covid risks!)

So for context my DF is a funny old dude. Funny in the socially odd way. Rather than ha ha funny! He has plenty of money but likes to save it and count it. He is the kind of man who would lend his daughter a fiver then ring me daily until I paid it into his bank account, rather than be like my DM (sadly departed) who was generous til the end and wouldn’t dream of asking for a fiver back!

So the gig starts early and it’s a school night. I don’t particularly want to go as I have to travel to France the following day but it’s fine. I want him to enjoy the music and enjoy being taken out. Anyway the fussing, the endless fussing is driving me mad. The daily phone calls about where we are going to meet. (Outside the venue perhaps??!) No no, he says we should go for dinner first. I don’t want to go for dinner (which I did not voice as that would be rude). Everything revolves around food for him. He is massively overweight and is borderline for diabetes but seems unable to stop eating so much! So we are going for dinner. I am not asked if I want to. I am told he thinks we should go to x restaurant first. OK, I say. Fine. (Means me meeting him an hour earlier than I wanted but OK). So he doesn’t like to spend a lot on anything and has a mental list of reasonably priced eateries around the city we live in. As it happens I don’t mind this place (it’s somewhere I introduced him to when I took him out another time). And he frequents these places and every single time he will comment over and over about how cheap the food is. Not how nice the food is. Or any other aspect of the experience. Just how good value it is. Every. Single. Time.

But the worst part is that he continually says “I’ll pay!!!” Like this is somehow a massive favour to me! He must have said it eight times already: “I’ll pay!!!” I feel like screaming.

  1. I don’t want the dinner. This is what you want, not what I want.
  2. I’ve said “oh lovely thanks” enough times now. Stop repeating it over and over like this is some HUGE act of generosity on your part. And I should hurl myself onto the ground and flagellate myself in an act of extreme gratitude!
  3. I don’t give a shit who pays. It’s not expensive. Both of us can afford it. It’s not a massive deal when someone pays for lunch or a cheap meal or a round of drinks. It’s just WHAT NORMAL PEOPLE DO!!! For the love of God, will you stop repeating it over and over again!

Then he rings me again yesterday (during work. Always has to ring me during work!) to say he doesn’t want to meet in the restaurant actually and we should go for a drink first. I don’t want to drink. It’s a school night. It’s him that wants to drink. (He is a fairly heavy drinker). So now I have to meet him an hour and a half before the gig starts to accommodate his wanting a drink and food, neither of which I want at all. But of course I just agree as it’s easier and I know he is getting excited and I don’t want to be a bitch (he goes out all the time btw. This isn’t someone who doesn’t have many friends or doesn’t go out much).

So we agree a time and a pub. And then comes the words….”I’ll pay!!!”

Aaaaaargh!!!

NB this is a lighthearted post. He drives me and my brother mad and I need an outlet to vent my frustrations so please keep responses lighthearted. Nothing about “I’ve lost my DF and would love to take him out you selfish cow…” I get it.

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ColettesEarrings · 16/11/2021 09:14

I get it OP! Vent away. Can you treat it like a game on the night, have an internal bingo card to tick off? Just don't shout 'house!' out loud perhaps! 😂

LabStan · 16/11/2021 09:20

I get it...Just hot out of hospital with DS...on and off for 5 weeks now..longer stay 3 weeks.
Called me following day...DS still awful and thinking we need to take him back....two other kids, DH and a dog all stressed and anxious as we've been away for so long.

DF calls...." What do you want for Christmas?"
I dunno Dad ..not really thought about it!
"Have the DC said what they want ?"
No Dad they just keep getting upset as they want thier brother back healthy.....

Arrgghhhhhhhhhh

Dm died in 2014 .

Chikapu · 16/11/2021 09:21

Don't make plans with him in future if you find him that annoying. Claiming something that you obviously think is a massive issue is light hearted doesn't make it so btw.

ANameChangeAgain · 16/11/2021 09:21

Sorry, made me chuckle.
This is who he is. My DM drives me mad too, when I was much younger I would get so frustrated resulting in conflict. Now I've learned how to inwardly roll my eyes and grit my teeth. She won't change, and whilst I will still challenge the more unpleasant traits (passive aggressive / borderline bullying), she is who she is and I had to learn to accept her or withdraw.
Enjoy the concert, is it someone good?

bucketsoflove · 16/11/2021 09:24

Just say no. You're not free until X time before the gig so you will see him wherever it suits you best to meet.
Don't pick up the phone while you're working. You can always check for messages later if you're worried it might be urgent.
Tell him (once) you can't wait for the gig, really looking forward to it, but you're not able to take personal calls anymore during the workday.

Doesn't mean you don't love him, and want to spend time with him. Just means you have some boundaries in place over your relationship.

hangrylady · 16/11/2021 09:27

I get it OP. Not quite the same but if we ever go out for a meal my mum will always say afterwards that she could have made better at home. First of all, no you couldn't, I love you to bits but you're a terrible cook and secondly, that's not the point of eating out! My parents grew up very poor so eating out is something they struggle with, as they see it as a waste of money, despite being well off now.

MsThinksAlot · 16/11/2021 09:29

By now, I'd have asked him why he keeps saying "I'll pay" like he's doing me a favour. In a lighthearted manner, of course.

Or through clenched teeth, say "If I hear 'I'll pay' one more time..."

People deserve to know when something annoys you. Perhaps they may stop but they don't have to. Worth a shot.

crackofdoom · 16/11/2021 09:30

I know it’s a Mumsnet cliche, but everything about your description of him screams autism.

MsThinksAlot · 16/11/2021 09:32

Or I'll anticipate the moment he'll say it and cut him off with "Yes, yes, you'll pay. You say that a million times. Lord help us". Lighthearted, of course.

Porcupineintherough · 16/11/2021 09:33

If only you were able to express a preference with respect to the arrangements. Why can't you exactly? It is a bit PA to agree to everything then complain.

Howshouldibehave · 16/11/2021 09:34

I feel your pain!

I’d probably have been tempted to ‘work late’ or something that day to get out of the meal/drink situation!

BustyLaRoux · 16/11/2021 09:54

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BustyLaRoux · 16/11/2021 09:58

LabStan this would be EXACTLY the kind of thing my DF would do.

I once made the mistake of telling him I’d had an a or Al smear result and would have to go back for more tests. This was the week after my DB had been made redundant. My DF kept ringing me to tell me how these pieces of news had made him very depressed.

I tell him absolutely zero about my health now.

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BustyLaRoux · 16/11/2021 09:58

*abnormal smear

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hotmeatymilk · 16/11/2021 10:00

Took me a while to realise this was a Father not a Fiancé and couldn’t work out why you were with the bloke Grin

It is Peak Dad to repeat the same thing over and over. Your dad has chosen “I’ll pay” as his chant. You need to settle on your own chant, but you get two: one to say out loud to him, one to mutter darkly under your breath.

MsThinksAlot · 16/11/2021 10:05

Just realised this is Father too. Oops!

Also being spoilt and an arse doesn't automatically mean SN. Someone can have SN and still be an arse and needs calling out on that.

BustyLaRoux · 16/11/2021 10:07

hotmeatymilk I did chuckle at the thought of having a fiancé like this. Although my poor DM!!

I do need a bingo card I think. “I’ll pay” obviously being top of the list. Followed by “it’s so cheap here!”. Must think of more….

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hotmeatymilk · 16/11/2021 10:10

@BustyLaRoux I think a bingo card is a great idea! treating it like a game will take the stress out of it. Place your bets on how many times he’ll say it, that kind of thing.

You’re doing a kind thing with the gig; you might not want the drink and meal too but think of it as the price of admission to being able to do the kindness. Not a literal price because HE’LL PAY

BustyLaRoux · 16/11/2021 10:11

MsThinksAlot I totally agree. I waiver between thinking he was just brought up to be like this or that he maybe does have SN (like I say I work with children with SN so I do have some experience). I can’t tell. I’m erring on the side of SN as the more I read up about it (my DSS and army DS have ADHD) the more convinced I’ve become it might just be that. I suppose it makes me try to be more understanding outwardly instead of getting frustrated at him like I used to. I just need to have a little rant now and again.

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PigletJohn · 16/11/2021 10:13

YABU

him "lets go to dinner"

you (thinks "no I don't want to") says "Yes fine

you (resents going to dinner)

"1. I don’t want the dinner. This is what you want, not what I want.

  1. I’ve said “oh lovely thanks” enough times now. "

stop saying what you don't mean.

JadeTrinket · 16/11/2021 10:22

I realise also it's become a Mn cliché, but parts of this the fussing about arrangements, the repetitive comments, the visible irritation and bafflement at a conversational topic that doesn't fit his (niche) interests remind me strongly of my own father, who is in his 70s, but whom I have long suspected is not NT. And definitely not age-related in my father's case -- he was this way when I was a small child.

But vent away -- I hear you. The key frustration with going out somewhere with my dad is his all-consuming parking obsession before events. He is absolutely obsessed with whether he will be able to find a parking place, and will often do a test run, or several, to scope out the parking (even when this involves a meal out a ten-minute drive from home), and decide, often arbitrarily, on a new pet parking spot, often a long way from the venue, but to which he will remain fanatically loyal, despite its inconvenience.

He will tell everyone about this parking spot. He will insist that it is convenient for everywhere, in the teeth of the evidence, and pride himself on his unique savviness on having found it. He pooh-poohs rival parking spots. If my mother has been in the city centre and he's collecting her, he also has a pet 'pick-up' spot which is nowhere near anywhere she is likely to be, and is in fact almost halfway home to my parents' house, but which suits him for some reason. (He will also tell everyone about this.)

Once I phoned him in a minor emergency, because our car had broken down, and I had toddler DS with me and no coats or pushchair, and he said he'd come and pick us up, but at his pet pick-up spot (which was a good mile and a half away from where we were, in the rain, across the city), and was completely baffled when I said, 'No, I need you to get us from where we are.' When he arrived, he had the air of someone heroically venturing into uncharted jungle, despite the fact that he worked a few minutes away till his retirement.

Years ago, I bought him as a present a short evening course at the local university on researching your family history, something he'd often expressed an interest in doing. A friend of mine, thinking of doing the course herself, asked him about it -- cue a fifteen-minute monologue which did not in fact mention the course at all, but focused entirely on the parking at the venue, and how you had to arrive after the day staff had gone home but before students and staff on night courses arrived to maximise your chances of a space in his favourite part of the car park, and his cunning in discovering this.

I really love my father, but he's exhausting, and the behaviours and obsessions are becoming more entrenched with age.

That was cathartic.

Vent away, OP. Grin

MysteryFog60 · 16/11/2021 10:26

I really don't know why you are bothering.

JadeTrinket · 16/11/2021 10:27

@BustyLaRoux

LabStan this would be EXACTLY the kind of thing my DF would do.

I once made the mistake of telling him I’d had an a or Al smear result and would have to go back for more tests. This was the week after my DB had been made redundant. My DF kept ringing me to tell me how these pieces of news had made him very depressed.

I tell him absolutely zero about my health now.

Oh, my father once interrupted me in the middle of me telling him that unborn DS didn't have a genetic condition to tell me about something he was repairing. As far as I can understand his logic, as soon as he actually had the information that DS was ok, from the beginning of my sentence, then there was no need for any more about it, and he could continue with his part of the conversation.

I think that time I hung up. I'd been so worried, I was enormously relieved, and I couldn't bear that this theory of mind didn't include any consideration of my state of mind. Though I shouldn't be surprised -- he doesn't grasp that people go out for, say, family meals for a graduation or big birthday for anything other than just to eat food. He snatches his plate from the waiter, and eats like a starving man, often finishing before everyone at the table has even been served. Then he shifts in his seat, wanting to go home.

He also writes lists of things to talk to people about on the phone. Usually repairs and dental work.

Duckrace · 16/11/2021 10:29

Oh I get it. I had to spend a month with mil discussing first a week at our house, then train travel instead of her usual drive, then I had to book the train, then money for said train (she won't use an online solution), then discuss the route and stops. Then finally she cancelled.

Pumpkinsonparade · 16/11/2021 10:30

My mil's topic was her bowels.
Even when we met her for breakfast In Town.
Fucking grim I tell you.
I used pregnancy to just get a pot of tea. No food.
Envy
Not envy people

Next time have a headphone in one ear op. Hum away whilst vaguely listening to him..