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Don’t like/want in laws visiting. Aibu??

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NameChanged15729 · 14/11/2021 11:17

This is a bit of a vent and will be long!!

As per the title, I really don’t want my in laws visiting and it’s causing rows with dh. I can’t work out whether I should just suck it up on the few occasions they visit or say I really don’t want it at the moment.

Back story is they live around 2 hours away so they visit once every three months or so. This means that when they make the journey they are here all day. All sodding day. With me making them a constant stream of hot drinks and feeding them while they basically make a mess for me to sort out when they leave. I could tolerate this but after recent events I just don’t want to anymore. I’m 30 weeks pregnant, feel ill and tired most of the time and I just don’t see why I should.

Dh’s dad died when husband was a teenager and his mum remarried her long term partner a few years ago. Not one of mil’s children like this man. She hasn’t seen her youngest son for over a year because he won’t visit due to her husband. He doesn’t like mil’s adult daughter still living with them and makes sil’s life difficult because she hasn’t been able to move out yet for personal reasons. There was a period in the summer where sil discovered he had been using her toothbrush to clean shit off the toilet. Just to add, I get on with sil and she is welcome here! The children love her and she’s brilliant with them. I haven’t got anything bad to say about her.

Both of my children have autism. One is non verbal and developmentally delayed, the other is developmentally delayed but verbal and in mainstream school with support. We visited them in the summer while we were on holiday near there home. Mil had promised ds that she would help him build a craft kit... all good. When we get there ds excitedly gets it out only for sfil to tell ds he doesn’t want that open in his house. Dh has a word with mil about how excited he’s been about it (it’s not a messy craft, it’s a kit where you put a spinosaurus together) and she agrees. Sfil clearly annoyed (likes to believe he’s the man of the house and what he says goes) then proceeds to basically take the piss out of ds not being able to say spinosaurus correctly because he has a speech impediment caused by his autism. Both me and dh are furious and decide to get some air and go for a walk inviting mil but making it clear we want some space from her husband. She joins us for the walk only for sfil to appear 30 minutes later. Clearly she has told him to come meet us. I was already somewhat annoyed because we were supposed to be staying for dinner but there are very few foods the kids will eat. Dh had spoken to her in advance asking if she’d pick up some of the particular chips they will both eat, turkey dinosaurs and strawberries. She did not because surely they can just eat something from the freezer. I provide food for them every time they visit and make sure it’s food that they will eat as they are both fussy. I was quite offended by this.

Recently I’ve discovered that every time they visit sfil badmouths our parenting all the way home. Criticising us for the fact our children still use a dummy at bed time, that they won’t eat ‘normal’ foods, etc, and basically thinks it’s our fault and they are just spoilt. He won’t let mil visit on her own because he is unable to cook and she needs to be with him to provide his meals. When they do visit he sits on his arse and falls asleep on the sofa for the duration. Only waking up to tell ds off for still needing a dummy ‘like a baby’.

It’s so difficult because mil isn’t a bad person as such. She’s a pushover and will agree to whatever her husband wants for an easy life. It’s like he’s ground everything out of her and she no longer has opinions or wants of her own. The atmosphere in the house is awful. Sfil strops and causes an atmosphere if anybody other than him is in the living room because he’s the man and that’s his room. He strops if he isn’t in control of the television, believes the women of the house should run around after him. It’s awful. Dh took ds to visit them the summer of 2020 when lockdown was briefly lifted to be informed when he arrived that they weren’t allowed in the house and would have to stay in the garden. If he had known that he wouldn’t have bothered!

They are due a visit and I just can’t face it. They also come down every Boxing Day which I will just have to accept for the sake of family harmony. What I’m really dreading is them visiting once the baby is born. Last time they stayed for hours, didn’t lift a finger and managed to grind play doh into the newly laid carpet. The play doh was unopened for very good reason! I don’t know what possessed them!

Dh knows they are beyond useless, will admit that it massively upsets him that his own mother won’t offer any practical help and is passive in the face of sfil but insists it’s still his mother. I know realistically I can’t not let them come down as much as I’d love to. I’m just worried that sfil is going to get worse as the kids get older and the autism isn’t ‘cured’! HmmAngry
I also don’t want to ban mil as such because she really isn’t a bad person. She just will not stand up to her husband.

I guess I’m asking Aibu to feel this way? What do I do!?

OP posts:
Natty13 · 14/11/2021 14:44

You're not putting your children first though. You're allowing someone who has mocked them (who cares how long ago it was? Stop making excuses for an arsehole ffs) and has shown by his behaviour to other people (SIL and MIL) time and time again what he is capable of. One day he will cross the line in a big way woth your children and you'll be another mum wringing her hands after the fact because everything has blown up in her face.

Get a grip.

Maxiedog123 · 14/11/2021 14:47

@Hankunamatata

Its ine day every 3 months. If dh wants them to visit they should be allowed to visit. Go out and leave dh to it
And leave the SFIL to bully and insult the 2 autistic children in their own home ? Great.
Maxiedog123 · 14/11/2021 14:53

While this is not the point of the thread it sounds like SIL, who is old enough to be working, also needs support to move out of SFIL s home. After the toothbrush incident not moving out suggests she is also being coerced by SFIL

MrsBobDylan · 14/11/2021 14:57

Noooooooooo. Why are you allowing this arsehole and his enabler in your home? He is hurting your kids

Also, what's to stop him using your toothbrushes to clean shit in the toilet during his visit?

Please put a stop to it (and tell sil to move out).

HyacynthBucket · 14/11/2021 15:24

Agreeing with all the others who say this abusive man should not be anywhere near your DC, and you need to be protective - both you OP and your DH. DH understandably resents the fact that his DM does not put her children above this man, but is risking doing exactly the same thing himself if you and he do not protect DC from him. He would never be coming into my home again, end of.

Can your DH and maybe you too, meet MIL and SIL to discuss this. Tell them you want to go on seeing them, and they are always welcome to visit, but you are not having SFIL around your DC. This will force the issue for MIL, but maybe if you all remind her of her former independent self and opinions, she could be supported to re-examine her relationship with such a controlling man. Good luck OPand your DH.

whynotwhatknot · 14/11/2021 15:41

why do yu run round after them why do you even have to be there

if he insists on seeing his mum he can go to her-sorry but your children come first not his mother

LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 14/11/2021 15:54

I missed the toothbrush thing!!!!
I wouldn't let that man cross the threshold to my home ever again.
Your poor SIL!!!

girlmom21 · 14/11/2021 15:59

I’m going to have to broach this again with dh which I can’t foresee going well. It turns the same every time. He knows there’s a massive problem but his mum won’t come without him and so banning him means that I’m banning his mum and therefore I’m abusive for banishing his family.

He's blaming you because he's not willing to confront the real abuser.

Have you explained to him that your loyalty is to your children and you'll protect them from abuse before you worry about the feelings of a nasty bully?

NameChanged15729 · 14/11/2021 16:41

Well that went well. I tried broaching the subject and got told that he refuses to ban his mum from coming here and by banning sfil I’m therefore banning his mum. It’s like it doesn’t occur to him that his mum is effectively banning herself.

OP posts:
Maxiedog123 · 14/11/2021 16:48

Can you take your children out if SFIL comes?.

Maxiedog123 · 14/11/2021 16:56

It sounds like your DH needs to be visiting his mother then, so your children aren't bullied by SFIL.

pennysays · 14/11/2021 16:57

For the time being, say mil and sfil are welcome but you will be gone with the children.

If you have to see them, meet them outside the house for a walk or a coffee - something short - and leave quickly.

I agree with what everyone says about removing them from your but I also see that this isn’t a ‘quick fox’ situation. I think you need to help your dh think through what the options are here rather than landing ultimatums on him.

The quickest thing to do is it change how and when you see them.

ImInStealthMode · 14/11/2021 17:00

@NameChanged15729

Well that went well. I tried broaching the subject and got told that he refuses to ban his mum from coming here and by banning sfil I’m therefore banning his mum. It’s like it doesn’t occur to him that his mum is effectively banning herself.
Then fine. MIL & SFIL can come, but you and the DC won't be there. Take yourselves out for the day, protect your DC from this monstrous man, even more so if your DH refuses to.
NameChanged15729 · 14/11/2021 17:00

Maxie I don’t think I’m going to have any other choice. It’s going to cause riots because seeing the children is the main reason they are coming.

Dh has now said that he’s willing to phone his mum tomorrow and explain that we are all uncomfortable with sfil and that he is not to speak to ds if it’s anything negative. Also that we do not want to hear anymore about the kids using a dummy and that it’s none of his business.
The problem is I know full well none of this information will get to him. I learned that when we told her that we were going for a walk and he was not to join us yet turned up anyway. Dh acknowledges this but says it’s the best he can do.

OP posts:
DismantledKing · 14/11/2021 17:05

Your husband needs to grow a spine

JacquelineCarlyle · 14/11/2021 17:07

@DismantledKing

Your husband needs to grow a spine
This

Or you do Op as you're effectively allowing someone to bully your DCs.

everythingbackbutyou · 14/11/2021 17:07

It’s the best he is willing to do

user14943608381 · 14/11/2021 17:40

As soon as I read made fun of autistic DS for not being able to pronounce spinosaurus I started seething… and then it just got worse. What a vile man! Just that one incident alone would be enough to say, see you never. A fantastic educational game that your son was excited about and he was degraded for it.

Thing is, MIL needs to put him in his place and in my eyes the fact she hasn’t or if she has it’s not had an impact is pretty bad.

But no YANBU, that man can stay gone and MIL needs to stand up for her grand kids and tell that moron that her lovely grandkids have additional needs and you as parents are catering to them. To be honest until she can do that, I don’t think she deserves them either. Not saying go NC with her but she needs to be told her passive tolerance of her partners bullying is akin to partaking in the bullying herself.

NameChanged15729 · 14/11/2021 18:05

I’m sorry, I know I keep posting but I’m absolutely furious. He’s now brought up very single perceived slight me or my family have seemingly done in the last decade to beat me with. Also what sfil said is now ‘not that bad’ and not allowing mil to come down will cause her anxiety.
What about the anxiety our children will endure if sfil carries on as he’s going!? Ds already struggles with anxiety! He’s substantially behind in school due to being developmentally delayed and he’s aware of it. Whenever I praise him and tell him how clever he is he immediately tells me he’s not and gets upset if I insist it.

Basically he has said that he values his mother and he wants his mother to have a chance at a relationship with her grandchildren. Sfil is the only way to get that so I have to put up with it or I’m abusive and trying to isolate him from his family. If I don’t allow her to come here then he will take the kids to there house and I can’t stop him.

OP posts:
everythingbackbutyou · 14/11/2021 18:22

You are protecting your children FROM abuse.

FlowerFlour · 14/11/2021 18:29

Your husband is a spineless wimp. SFIL is insulting your children and sadistically bullying his sister, but your husband is not only willing, but eager to have him in the house.

I would go absolutely nuclear about this. If your husband wants to be SFIL's bitch then that's his lookout, but I wouldn't let him put my vulnerable children in the firing line. He is an enabler just like his mother.

As a previous poster said, your husband is deep in FOG: Fear, Obligation, Guilt. That's a him problem though. If he doesn't like your stance he can go to live with his DM so SFIL can clean the toilet with his toothbrush.

girlmom21 · 14/11/2021 18:29

Tell him if he's willing to take his children to be abused then he's not the man or the father you thought he was.

billy1966 · 14/11/2021 18:30

Well, well, well OP.

He's a right piece of work.

You sound bullied and a bit afraid of him?
Are you?

I suggest you call Womens aid for advice.

Tell them about this man cleaning with the toothbrush and bullying your children.

Your husband has just shown you who he is.

Can't stand up for his children.
Can't stand up to his step father.
Can't stand up to his mother.

But more than happy to bully and threaten his wife.

Now you know who you are living with.

No surprise.

Ring Women's aid.

Flowers
HotSauceCommittee · 14/11/2021 18:37

One of you need to ring Sfil and read him the riot act. MIL will never relay messages of that nature to such an ogre.
I really don't think much of your DH. He needs to speak to SFIL and lay down the law.
Yes, he'll go mad because he's a bully, but so fucking what? You can't make a silk purse out of a cunt. There is no benefit to anyone of having this man in your life.

TrulyPistoff · 14/11/2021 18:37

So if your (spineless) husband knows that his information won’t reach the arsehole, then he needs to make sure it does and speak directly to the arsehole instead of his mum.