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Don’t like/want in laws visiting. Aibu??

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NameChanged15729 · 14/11/2021 11:17

This is a bit of a vent and will be long!!

As per the title, I really don’t want my in laws visiting and it’s causing rows with dh. I can’t work out whether I should just suck it up on the few occasions they visit or say I really don’t want it at the moment.

Back story is they live around 2 hours away so they visit once every three months or so. This means that when they make the journey they are here all day. All sodding day. With me making them a constant stream of hot drinks and feeding them while they basically make a mess for me to sort out when they leave. I could tolerate this but after recent events I just don’t want to anymore. I’m 30 weeks pregnant, feel ill and tired most of the time and I just don’t see why I should.

Dh’s dad died when husband was a teenager and his mum remarried her long term partner a few years ago. Not one of mil’s children like this man. She hasn’t seen her youngest son for over a year because he won’t visit due to her husband. He doesn’t like mil’s adult daughter still living with them and makes sil’s life difficult because she hasn’t been able to move out yet for personal reasons. There was a period in the summer where sil discovered he had been using her toothbrush to clean shit off the toilet. Just to add, I get on with sil and she is welcome here! The children love her and she’s brilliant with them. I haven’t got anything bad to say about her.

Both of my children have autism. One is non verbal and developmentally delayed, the other is developmentally delayed but verbal and in mainstream school with support. We visited them in the summer while we were on holiday near there home. Mil had promised ds that she would help him build a craft kit... all good. When we get there ds excitedly gets it out only for sfil to tell ds he doesn’t want that open in his house. Dh has a word with mil about how excited he’s been about it (it’s not a messy craft, it’s a kit where you put a spinosaurus together) and she agrees. Sfil clearly annoyed (likes to believe he’s the man of the house and what he says goes) then proceeds to basically take the piss out of ds not being able to say spinosaurus correctly because he has a speech impediment caused by his autism. Both me and dh are furious and decide to get some air and go for a walk inviting mil but making it clear we want some space from her husband. She joins us for the walk only for sfil to appear 30 minutes later. Clearly she has told him to come meet us. I was already somewhat annoyed because we were supposed to be staying for dinner but there are very few foods the kids will eat. Dh had spoken to her in advance asking if she’d pick up some of the particular chips they will both eat, turkey dinosaurs and strawberries. She did not because surely they can just eat something from the freezer. I provide food for them every time they visit and make sure it’s food that they will eat as they are both fussy. I was quite offended by this.

Recently I’ve discovered that every time they visit sfil badmouths our parenting all the way home. Criticising us for the fact our children still use a dummy at bed time, that they won’t eat ‘normal’ foods, etc, and basically thinks it’s our fault and they are just spoilt. He won’t let mil visit on her own because he is unable to cook and she needs to be with him to provide his meals. When they do visit he sits on his arse and falls asleep on the sofa for the duration. Only waking up to tell ds off for still needing a dummy ‘like a baby’.

It’s so difficult because mil isn’t a bad person as such. She’s a pushover and will agree to whatever her husband wants for an easy life. It’s like he’s ground everything out of her and she no longer has opinions or wants of her own. The atmosphere in the house is awful. Sfil strops and causes an atmosphere if anybody other than him is in the living room because he’s the man and that’s his room. He strops if he isn’t in control of the television, believes the women of the house should run around after him. It’s awful. Dh took ds to visit them the summer of 2020 when lockdown was briefly lifted to be informed when he arrived that they weren’t allowed in the house and would have to stay in the garden. If he had known that he wouldn’t have bothered!

They are due a visit and I just can’t face it. They also come down every Boxing Day which I will just have to accept for the sake of family harmony. What I’m really dreading is them visiting once the baby is born. Last time they stayed for hours, didn’t lift a finger and managed to grind play doh into the newly laid carpet. The play doh was unopened for very good reason! I don’t know what possessed them!

Dh knows they are beyond useless, will admit that it massively upsets him that his own mother won’t offer any practical help and is passive in the face of sfil but insists it’s still his mother. I know realistically I can’t not let them come down as much as I’d love to. I’m just worried that sfil is going to get worse as the kids get older and the autism isn’t ‘cured’! HmmAngry
I also don’t want to ban mil as such because she really isn’t a bad person. She just will not stand up to her husband.

I guess I’m asking Aibu to feel this way? What do I do!?

OP posts:
Cattitudes · 14/11/2021 13:04

He sounds awful and you are not unreasonable to not entertain him. If dh wants to see MIL I would be suggesting that 95% of the time he goes alone, meets half way at a pub. If you want to host them on Boxing Day/ birthdays then either cold buffet finger food, or chips and turkey dinosaurs then if any complaints are made say that surely they can eat any food from the freezer.

LaLaLaOh · 14/11/2021 13:05

I would not be letting my children around this man ever again. They need protecting, he’s obviously a bully. I’d be telling them he’s not welcome in your home.

Beautiful3 · 14/11/2021 13:08

I don't understand? Just stop inviting them! If your husband wants to travel down to visit his mum that's fine. Who says they have to come every 3 months and again on boxing day?! It's your house! You stop inviting them over. If they ask why, just say its hectic in your house with the kids and being heavily pregnant. A normal person won't even question that. Your home is your autistic child's safe space, it won't feel that way when they visit.

MintMatchmaker · 14/11/2021 13:11

Your DH is willing to allow your children to be abused by this man rather than tell MIL he’s not welcome?

It’s appalling that he would expose his children to this and that he would then dare to tell you you’re abusive if you stop the visits. He should visit his Mum alone and tell her that you will not allow the children to be in his company.

TotallySuper · 14/11/2021 13:18

Stop visiting them, tell her why. Tell her she is welcome to visit with SIL. If he turns up just don't let him through the door. Call the police if you have to. He is vile you need to make a proper stand. Can't believe your DH is letting his mother be treated this way.

Dazedandconfused2021 · 14/11/2021 13:19

My father remarried a bully. DH and I came to a point where we could no longer tolerate her treatment of me. Told father we wanted him in our lives but not her...we haven't seen him since. That was years ago. Our lives are much better without her around and for us that outweighs the loss of my father. I would make the decision again 1000x over to keep her away from my children.

NameChanged15729 · 14/11/2021 13:20

Natty I’m going to let that slide because as I said in the opening the mocking incidence happened in the summer. Previous to this he had only made comments about the dummy and while I wasn’t happy about it a lot of previous generations have the same thoughts about dummy’s. They are now due a visit which is why I’m trying to find a way of navigating it.
It’s just not the easiest situation. Well it’s not the easiest for dh I should say. There’s a lot to it. Dh lost his father before his time and doesn’t want to lose his mother to. I will put my children first always but I need to know that I’ve explored every available option first.

Sara I think this may be the way of easing into the conversation. I don’t think he understands what’s happened. He always tells me that his mum wasn’t always like this. That she would argue with his dad and stand her ground, I don’t think he can quite believe she’s the same person if that makes sense.
I’m going to suggest he plans a visit to see her alone. He has tried to before but it’s been met with some resistance. His mum wants him there but she panics, they haven’t got a spare room so he would have to sleep on the sofa. Sfil doesn’t like people in the living room and so his mum doesn’t want to ask. I think it would be better if he books a hotel anyway so I’m going to suggest that.

Waving I think that is probably going to become our only option in the end and I really hope mil chooses to do what your df has done. I don’t understand people like sfil and your dads wife. They could have such lovely families but choose to push everyone away. For what!? It doesn’t make sense to me.

OP posts:
Wineandroses3 · 14/11/2021 13:25

I just can’t get over the toothbrush thing OMG he sounds sick in the head. Keep up. Away from your kids YANBU

abigailsnan · 14/11/2021 13:27

SFIL is an absolute bully and I would not let him near your children your OH should have a talk with his mother and explain the reasons why to her.
It sounds very much like MIL is controlled by SFIL to a massive degree & has no mind of her own,does OH feel confident enough to tell SFIL the reasons face to face I would certainly expect a reaction to this if he could do it,he should also make sure his mum is not on the receiving end of any anger from the FIL as he sounds quite unpredictable to me.

TotallySuper · 14/11/2021 13:27

OP I imagine what's happened is MIL lost DHs dad before his time, she then had no income and no pension etc so married someone who expects her to run the house and be his "bitch" basically whilst he provides the income. He is in control and she is an after thought. I work daily with over 60s and see this set up time and time again, the woman is mute and compliant and the man is loud, controlling and opinionated but she's trapped as without him there's no income/no where to live etc etc. So sad.

TurquoiseDragon · 14/11/2021 13:28

I’m going to have to broach this again with dh which I can’t foresee going well. It turns the same every time. He knows there’s a massive problem but his mum won’t come without him and so banning him means that I’m banning his mum and therefore I’m abusive for banishing his family.

His family is his wife and DC, the needs of you and your DC come first. You are not being abusive in banning someone who insults and mocks your DC, or who expects you to run around him while not lifting a finger, etc.

Your DH needs to stand up for you and the DC. I would also say keep reiterating that his mum is always welcome. Maybe you can give her the phone number for Women's Aid if you can slip it to her secretly. It does sound like she's in an abusive relationship where she's being controlled, I don't think she's just putting SFIL over her son and DGC.

tara66 · 14/11/2021 13:29

Please send PIL lots of books on autism for Xmas - the river site has several including ''Understanding Autism for Dummies''' - I think most suitable for the FIL. Point out who the ''Dummy'' is in this situation in case the title is too subtle.

saraclara · 14/11/2021 13:29

Can he not go for the day, OP?

My mum is two hours away. It would never occur to me to stay over. She's now in a care facility and an hour is plenty. So I can leave at 8am and be back by lunchtime! My MIL is also in a care home and she's 3 hours away. I still do the trip in a day, and find time to do something else up there as well as visit her.

He could see his mum from 10-6 and still leave home and get back at sensible times.

madisonbridges · 14/11/2021 13:38

I think its down to DH to decide whether they come or not. It's equally his house as yours.

Your sfil sounds horrible but your mil sounds like she's trying to stand up to him but just can't all the time. Who knows what goes on between them behind closed doors. My friends mother has been married to a guy for a long time and he controls her, doesn't do what's best for and can be pretty argumentative with other people. Her mum won't/can't leave him so my friend tolerates him (but doesn't like him) and has them to stay for her mum's sake. Maybe your DH needs to maintain contact with your mil for similar reasons.

DGFB · 14/11/2021 13:45

Your mil really needs some help to leave this man. Your dh needs to get her on her own and encourage her to leave.

Fredstheteds · 14/11/2021 13:47

Can relate- gawd it’s not easy

Catsforeverpeoplenever · 14/11/2021 13:48

I am sure you wouldn't put up with strangers/teachers doing these vile things to your poor children so don't put up with it now. You and your DH are adults and in your own house it's your way or the highway. The Sfil is an abusive C**t and he does it because he can get away with it. I am as meek as they come and hate confrontation but the moment any one tries to get at my child or my husband or mocks my house then they see a different side to me. He is a spineless bully and I really feel for your SIL.

TrulyPistoff · 14/11/2021 13:51

With me making them a constant stream of hot drinks and feeding them while they basically make a mess for me to sort out when they leave.

Why is this your job? Let your husband sort it out.

TotallySuper · 14/11/2021 13:53

@TrulyPistoff

With me making them a constant stream of hot drinks and feeding them while they basically make a mess for me to sort out when they leave.

Why is this your job? Let your husband sort it out.

Absolutely and plan a weekend away when they visit, leave DH and the kids to it if he feels so strongly.
LivingLaVidaBabyShower · 14/11/2021 14:17

I think you need to devise a tactical approach that works for you.

For me

  • I regularly send my DH up on solo visits for "quality time alone"
  • DH cleans before they arrive
  • Teas etc i don't mind doing as it lets me escape them and i can insist on reusing mugs so less mess.
  • i carry on as usual so will pop out to do errands, post, nails/hair or get shopping (more lovely alone time for them!).
  • I get a packet of biscuits in and stick them on a plate in the living room.
  • Lunch is ALWAYS a sandwich
  • dinner frozen food you shove in the oven would be what they'd get from me. I gave up maling any effort. It's frozen pizza or one of those lasagne / tray bake jobs
  • i take the dog off for a walk/ to the garden / whatever.
  • i also occassionally get bad headaches and potter off for a lie down.
Pumpkinsonparade · 14/11/2021 14:27

Ask your dh if he would allow a man on the street to be abusive to your dc.. Or would he walk away? He can't expect you to allow your dc to be holed up in their own home and accept abuse from someone who should love and cherish them. His is a disgrace for staying with him.
My fil walked away from all of us when mil fell out with dh. Very sad.

billy1966 · 14/11/2021 14:29

Your husband needs to visit his mother and you need to stand up for your children as your husband won't.

Like a lot of people I wouldn't have him in my home after he mocked my child and your MIL will have to live with the consequences of her choices.

Protect your children and tell your husband visit his mother on his own from now on.

Problem solved.

If your husband gets upset with you, he is no better than his mother IMO.

He sounds weak and in denial.

Both are tedious to live with.

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DrinkFeckArseBrick · 14/11/2021 14:30

I feel bad for you and your husband as there isnt an easy solution here. Yes you absolutely need to protect your kids from your sfil - isnt mocking a person for something connected to their disability a hate crime?

However if you do refuse, it will be heartbreaking for your husband, it must be awful for him seeing his mum like this, it sounds like she is being abused.

And so everyone saying 'she is choosing not to see her grandkids on her own' I doubt she feels like it's a choice, it sounds like she wants to but he would make her life a misery afterwards because he is a controlling bastard who doesn't want her to have any relationships of her own. Someone who uses their step daughter toothbrush to wipe shit off the toilet is capable of much more behind closed doors. It's like people saying 'why don't people being abused just leave', it's not as simple as that, they are scared, their abuser has taken away all their confidence, there would probably be consequences. If he never sees them its cutting off another support network for his mum and she would have less chance of a normal life.

The whole thing is sad and there are no easy answers

Hankunamatata · 14/11/2021 14:33

Its ine day every 3 months. If dh wants them to visit they should be allowed to visit. Go out and leave dh to it

ImUninsultable · 14/11/2021 14:41

I cant deal with the toothbrush thing.

Why is she still married to this man after what he did to her daughter?

I know you're trying to make it sound like she isnt the problem here, but when stayed with a man who did that to her daughter.

They'd both be banned from my home and SIL invited to move in. That poor woman.