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Don’t like/want in laws visiting. Aibu??

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NameChanged15729 · 14/11/2021 11:17

This is a bit of a vent and will be long!!

As per the title, I really don’t want my in laws visiting and it’s causing rows with dh. I can’t work out whether I should just suck it up on the few occasions they visit or say I really don’t want it at the moment.

Back story is they live around 2 hours away so they visit once every three months or so. This means that when they make the journey they are here all day. All sodding day. With me making them a constant stream of hot drinks and feeding them while they basically make a mess for me to sort out when they leave. I could tolerate this but after recent events I just don’t want to anymore. I’m 30 weeks pregnant, feel ill and tired most of the time and I just don’t see why I should.

Dh’s dad died when husband was a teenager and his mum remarried her long term partner a few years ago. Not one of mil’s children like this man. She hasn’t seen her youngest son for over a year because he won’t visit due to her husband. He doesn’t like mil’s adult daughter still living with them and makes sil’s life difficult because she hasn’t been able to move out yet for personal reasons. There was a period in the summer where sil discovered he had been using her toothbrush to clean shit off the toilet. Just to add, I get on with sil and she is welcome here! The children love her and she’s brilliant with them. I haven’t got anything bad to say about her.

Both of my children have autism. One is non verbal and developmentally delayed, the other is developmentally delayed but verbal and in mainstream school with support. We visited them in the summer while we were on holiday near there home. Mil had promised ds that she would help him build a craft kit... all good. When we get there ds excitedly gets it out only for sfil to tell ds he doesn’t want that open in his house. Dh has a word with mil about how excited he’s been about it (it’s not a messy craft, it’s a kit where you put a spinosaurus together) and she agrees. Sfil clearly annoyed (likes to believe he’s the man of the house and what he says goes) then proceeds to basically take the piss out of ds not being able to say spinosaurus correctly because he has a speech impediment caused by his autism. Both me and dh are furious and decide to get some air and go for a walk inviting mil but making it clear we want some space from her husband. She joins us for the walk only for sfil to appear 30 minutes later. Clearly she has told him to come meet us. I was already somewhat annoyed because we were supposed to be staying for dinner but there are very few foods the kids will eat. Dh had spoken to her in advance asking if she’d pick up some of the particular chips they will both eat, turkey dinosaurs and strawberries. She did not because surely they can just eat something from the freezer. I provide food for them every time they visit and make sure it’s food that they will eat as they are both fussy. I was quite offended by this.

Recently I’ve discovered that every time they visit sfil badmouths our parenting all the way home. Criticising us for the fact our children still use a dummy at bed time, that they won’t eat ‘normal’ foods, etc, and basically thinks it’s our fault and they are just spoilt. He won’t let mil visit on her own because he is unable to cook and she needs to be with him to provide his meals. When they do visit he sits on his arse and falls asleep on the sofa for the duration. Only waking up to tell ds off for still needing a dummy ‘like a baby’.

It’s so difficult because mil isn’t a bad person as such. She’s a pushover and will agree to whatever her husband wants for an easy life. It’s like he’s ground everything out of her and she no longer has opinions or wants of her own. The atmosphere in the house is awful. Sfil strops and causes an atmosphere if anybody other than him is in the living room because he’s the man and that’s his room. He strops if he isn’t in control of the television, believes the women of the house should run around after him. It’s awful. Dh took ds to visit them the summer of 2020 when lockdown was briefly lifted to be informed when he arrived that they weren’t allowed in the house and would have to stay in the garden. If he had known that he wouldn’t have bothered!

They are due a visit and I just can’t face it. They also come down every Boxing Day which I will just have to accept for the sake of family harmony. What I’m really dreading is them visiting once the baby is born. Last time they stayed for hours, didn’t lift a finger and managed to grind play doh into the newly laid carpet. The play doh was unopened for very good reason! I don’t know what possessed them!

Dh knows they are beyond useless, will admit that it massively upsets him that his own mother won’t offer any practical help and is passive in the face of sfil but insists it’s still his mother. I know realistically I can’t not let them come down as much as I’d love to. I’m just worried that sfil is going to get worse as the kids get older and the autism isn’t ‘cured’! HmmAngry
I also don’t want to ban mil as such because she really isn’t a bad person. She just will not stand up to her husband.

I guess I’m asking Aibu to feel this way? What do I do!?

OP posts:
ChaToilLeam · 14/11/2021 12:18

SFIL is a vile person and I would not allow him in the house, neither would I visit.

Whether MIL is an enabler or a victim of abuse here is unclear, but you have to put your own family and especially your DC first. Perhaps try to arrange for SIL and MIL to visit? Keep inviting them and keep communication open but be clear SFIL is persona not grata. I hope one day both of them will be free of him.

Disfordarkchocolate · 14/11/2021 12:24

Mocking you children. Very low contact unless MIL comes on her own. When there is contact leave instantly every time something offensive is said.

Using SIL toothbrush to clean the toilet. Totally no contact because if this is the sort of thing he does I hate to think what he is secretly doing to your children.

I think MIL is being abused by my children come first every time.

NameChanged15729 · 14/11/2021 12:26

Thank you everyone, I was somewhat expecting to be told that I should put up with it because it’s not every week.

I know for a fact mil will not visit without him. I don’t know how to explain it but talking to her isn’t like talking to a human. She remains non comital in every conversation and won’t offer opinions. Everything has to be checked with her husband first. Even questions like what would you like for food ends with her saying she has no preference or she will have a think about it (meaning she needs to ask sfil what he wants before making a decision). I remember on one occasion going out to eat with her and the chicken she ordered came out completely raw in the middle. She chose to eat it as it was rather than ‘make a fuss’.
It’s a sad situation but she seems happy and I don’t think it’s occurred to her that she’s allowed opinions of her own.

I’m going to have to broach this again with dh which I can’t foresee going well. It turns the same every time. He knows there’s a massive problem but his mum won’t come without him and so banning him means that I’m banning his mum and therefore I’m abusive for banishing his family.

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PikachuAndMe · 14/11/2021 12:28

No way would I tolerate anyone talking about or treating my children in that way. You need to protect them and not put them near this poisonous man. Put your children first and don't allow your SFIL anywhere near. Your MIL has made her choice to put this man above everyone else but you don't have to. Tell her that she is welcome to visit and then leave it to her. If she comes then welcome her and if she doesn't, well, you know what her priorities are. Your husband cam go visit if he wants but I would refuse to let my children into an abusive environment.

PinkiOcelot · 14/11/2021 12:28

OMG what a vile man he is!
Put your foot down OP. I would be going totally NC.
It sounds like your MIL is in an abusive relationship, but that’s for her to deal with.
How did SIL find out about her toothbrush?!

NeilBuchananisBanksy · 14/11/2021 12:30

"I’m going to have to broach this again with dh which I can’t foresee going well. It turns the same every time. He knows there’s a massive problem but his mum won’t come without him and so banning him means that I’m banning his mum and therefore I’m abusive for banishing his family."

Don't let him turn it around on you. You aren't abusive- you are protecting your children from abuse. I'd be asking your DH why he isn't willing to and where his priorities lie.

He is in the FOG in a big way.

NameChanged15729 · 14/11/2021 12:31

Sil does visit on her own so we see her fairly regularly. It’s very hard to broach the topic with her because she doesn’t like talking about him.
She told dh privately that she finds living with him upsetting enough so when she is out of the house she wants him as far from her mind as possible which I can understand.
She visits her friends houses a lot because she can’t stand the atmosphere at home and her friends are unsurprisingly not keen on being there either. She also tries to work as much over time as possible.

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wavingwhilstdrowning · 14/11/2021 12:34

I my dad straight that my DC were my priority and I would not allow them to be bullied by his wife. He went berserk. I didn't care, and didn't speak to him for 6 months. Now he comes and meets us on his own and acts like she doesn't exist. If he didn't I wouldn't see him. Be strong, protect your DC, if you don't see her it is her choice.

FlowerFlour · 14/11/2021 12:34

There is no fucking way I would let that abusive bastard into my house. He bullies your children and abuses your SIL. The toilet thing is actually psychopathic.

Rather than letting your DH get angry at you for not allowing SFIL into the house you should get angry at him that he's willing to host someone who abuses his sister and insults his vulnerable children. No man worth his salt would allow that.

Your DH needs to pull his socks up here. His DM is an adult and made her own choice; your children shouldn't suffer for that choice.

godmum56 · 14/11/2021 12:38

Could you get your husband and his sister together to discuss what is going on and how you AS A FAMILY can address it? Strength in numbers and all that? Is there anything that you can do to help SiL? It sounds like your Mil's husband has got divide and conquer down to a fine art.

Hetyanni · 14/11/2021 12:38

If I were you, and dh agreed, I would call and say MIL is welcome any time, sfil is not, ever. This would be in full knowledge that she won't come, but that is her choice.

I feel sorry for your MIL but her life is her choice and not your responsibility. Your dc lives and your own wellbeing are your responsibility.

If dh didn't agree to this then that makes things more complicated....

Sexnotgender · 14/11/2021 12:39

Your MIL ate raw chicken rather than make a fuss. She sounds like she’s being abused, that is absolutely not normal 🙁

EileenGC · 14/11/2021 12:41

The SFIL sounds abusive and manipulative, your MIL is being coerced and just being silent for the sake of ‘peace’. I have that dynamic in my own family and it’s very sad to see.

I don’t have any practical advice but all I can say is keep reminding MIL that she’s welcome to yours anytime she wants, and she can call when she needs because it sounds like she needs a lot of support, living with such a nutter.

Have you or your husband every tried confronting the FIL and sternly saying ‘I’m sorry but you’re not allowed to speak like that about DS in our own house’? What happens if he’s told to stop the rude behaviour?

2pinkginsplease · 14/11/2021 12:43

I wouldn’t have someone who doesn’t show love and respect to my family in my home. I couldn’t care less who he is or who he is married to.

Your mil needs to sort out her priorities,

Personally I’d be saying she can visit but he isn’t welcome.

BluebellsGreenbells · 14/11/2021 12:49

I think your DH is causing some of these issues by being compliant in the visits.

I think firstly you need to put these visits squarely on your DH shoulders, he makes the arrangements, he clears up, he waits on them hand and foot, he speaks to them about their comments etc

Then reassess!!

I think he’s have a different attitude towards them.

MegaClutterSlut · 14/11/2021 12:49

Think it needs pointing out to your dh that by allowing that arsehole in your house, he's prioritising them over your dcs. Its mils choice whether she comes round or not, thats not her on you

saraclara · 14/11/2021 12:50

First up, your DH has to put your kids first. Nothing I'm about to say changes that.

Having said that, I can't imagine how hard it is to see the mum that you've loved all your life, becoming this person and being so downtrodden. He must be worried sick about her. And I suppose the only way he can check on her and see her at all, is with this man. And refusing to have them come to the house must feel as though it's the end of his relationship with her.

Can you talk to him about her without actually mentioning them never coming again? Can you ask for ideas about how he can maintain the relationship without risking his kids' emotional wellbeing? If you can have one conversation that focuses on empathising with him about how shit it must be to see your mother controlled by this foul man, maybe you can begin to progress without it all getting angry?

It also must really hurt him that she puts this man ahead of her own son, and she's so unbothered about seeing DH and her DGCs

Would he visit her instead of them visiting you?

MegaClutterSlut · 14/11/2021 12:50

*thats on her, not you

Natty13 · 14/11/2021 12:54

What kind of mother chooses "family harmony" over sticking up for her children?!

You're no better than your MIL tbh.

LakieLady · 14/11/2021 12:55

SFIL sounds like a complete psycho and MIL should do the Freedom Programme imo. He sounds really abusive.

Your DH needs to put the children first, and needs to back you up on not having SFIL visit. He's complicit in SFIL's nastiness by not standing up for his children.

CSIblonde · 14/11/2021 12:59

I'd say SIL & MIL can visit together but he stays at home. She can leave him a sandwich lunch & a dinner to reheat as he strops about her making his meals . It sounds an abusive relationship. I'd be wondering if with support, she'd leave. Could she & SIL find a place together with some support? Or does she not accept it's abusive?

FranklySonImTheGaffer · 14/11/2021 12:59

Your MIL is in an abusive relationship which is awful - but it doesn't trump your duty to protect your children.
I understand your DH is torn. Of course he wants to see and look after his mum, but he also needs to be loyal to you and your dc.

Realistically, I wouldn't want to tell them that SFil isn't welcome in your home as he'll use this to build a grudge against you and your MIL will be expected to follow suit and not see you at all.
You want the relationship to continue so if she ever feels she wants to leave, she can turn to you and your DH for support.

If it were me, I would start arranging to see them outside of your home - could you meet somewhere between your houses at a park or something? That way you continue to see them, you're not resentful of having to cook / make drinks etc (which your DH should be doing btw), it should limit SFILs comments and you can leave whenever you're ready. So if he says anything to your dc, you say once that he's being a bully and you'll be leaving if he does it again - then follow through. Obviously this depends on you being the driver, and clearing the approach with your DH.

Another thought - if you arranged something stereotypically girly (spa day etc) for you, MIL & SIL for a birthday or something, would MIL come on her own then? If he's so set on having sexist stereotypical roles, I can't see him gatecrashing something like this and it may help just to get her away from him for a few hours so you can chat gently with her, so she knows any fall out isn't against her.

HoseMeDownWithHolyWater · 14/11/2021 13:02

Your MIL is putting her husband before anyone else, so can't complain if you and your husband put others before her.

I'm honestly shocked that the toothbrush thing wasn't an eye opener for your husband - his mother will let this man get away with anything.

Her children are not her priority; don't let your husband make her one in your life.

forrestgreen · 14/11/2021 13:03

Is there a child friendly restaurant half way to their house that you could meet at?

Re Boxing Day, tell them a time their welcome from and tell dh he's in charge of brews, food and tidying. And take yourself off to bed frequently.

ImInStealthMode · 14/11/2021 13:03

Christ, the toothbrush thing alone would mean he never, ever crossed the threshold of my home again, nor me his. Your poor SIL.

You need to sit down and seriously discuss this with your DH. MIL is welcome whenever she'd like, SFIL is absolutely not welcome ever.

Make that clear to everyone and let them make their own decisions around it. If DH wants to go visit them at their house that's up to him, but you and your DC do not ever have to join him.