to boycott products made in China and India?

[Lowkeyloopy]

So angry that they have watered down an agreement aimed at saving the planet that my (shortly to be born) child will be living in.

Yes people will say it’s unfair that the more developed economies have enjoyed all the benefits of burning fossil fuels and are now dictating that other countries should stop. Well, tough. We are where we are and the world is on fire.

I’m also sick and tired of people saying that individuals can’t make a difference, AND of the government congratulating itself on bringing down our own carbon emissions. We don’t MAKE anything in this country - we ship it in from other countries. If we all stopped buying crap we don’t need that is manufactured on the cheap in those countries, we could actually help ensure those countries cut their carbon emissions and genuinely bring down our own individual carbon footprints.

So I guess I’m angry at China and India for watering down the COP agreement, but I’m angry at us for creating the circumstances that facilitates the attitude that made them do that.

So, I’ll now be even more consciously checking where my products are from and will not be buying anything made in China or India.

Who’s with me? (YANBU)

Who’s not? And why, out of interest? (YABU)

Happy Sunday all…!

Wouldn't it be better to decide to buy less, much less, rather than worrying about where it was made?

It's practically impossible to never use anything from China in day to day life, unless you plan on getting rid of 99% of your technology, clothes etc.

Unfortunately this is the case.
I have to source information about the products we sell at work, one of which is country of manufacture. The most common country is China.

I found a British made washing machine the other day.

Unsure of the components though. I’d guess not as it’s virtually impossible to find things not made in China. I have tried.

The impact of you having a child would probably negate the impact of you trying to boycott two of the biggest manufacturing countries in the world.

Developed countries need to pay non developed countries to bring down carbon emissions. It is unfair that we got rich of fossil fuels and now we've developed saying other countries can't develop and make life better. Were going to have to pay them to make up for their financial losses

Babdoc - Ever watched the "Dying Rooms"?

I agree and try to avoid products made in China, not just because of global warming but their terrible treatment of animals and other issues, but it’s extremely hard as practically everything is made there.
What it has done though is make me more conscious about the purchases I make and to try to support other manufacturers and more locally made items as much as possible

@EvilPea

I found a British made washing machine the other day.

Unsure of the components though. I’d guess not as it’s virtually impossible to find things not made in China. I have tried.

It might be assembled in the UK, however many of the parts will be from China. If you has a breakdown of all the components probably more than half would have been made in China.

To live without Chinese products and components means pretty much sourcing everting from the ground, forest or water around us. We are too inter connected now for that to change.

You can boycott whatever you want. No need to ask if ybu if that's what you want to do.

Boycott what you like but you'll have the ditch the gadget that you typed your post on as the components will include parts made in China.

Ha good luck with that OP! Go around your house and have a look and practically everything will say 'Made in China' on the bottom...

YANBU but good luck trying to boycott stuff made in China.

You're having a child, the top climate trashing behaviour its possible to undertake

Op I buy from as close to home as possible. Plus ethical companies who manufacture abroad.
It means more expense though.
Do what you can. No you can't reach perfection but it doesn't mean you can't do something.

@EvilPea

I found a British made washing machine the other day.

Unsure of the components though. I’d guess not as it’s virtually impossible to find things not made in China. I have tried.

I would bet my last penny that over half the components were made in China, unfortunately.

I used to work for a clothing company that made all their clothing in the UK. They've now changed their slogan to "designed in the UK" as it's just not possible for them to make clothes here and still make a profit. They're not a cheap company either!

Clothes were designed here and sent abroad to places like China, Malaysia and India to be made, and then shipped backed here to be sold. Making clothes in the UK is costly and probably would still involve importing materials from overseas anyway.

We live in an inter-connected world whether we like it or not, and we all rely on other countries to supply us with things. Unless you want to go completely off grid and maybe make your own clothes and furniture, you need to accept that at least some of your stuff will come from China and similar countries.

You can't avoid goods made in China

Impossible task I'm afraid

The components used, even packaging, something will be from China somewhere along the line

The only consolation for me is now India a country most likely to be affected by climate change is responsible for watering down the agreement. It makes me feel guilt free (I'm not making changes if they are not), pull up the drawbridge for climate refugee's, I won't feel overly sympathetic next time Chennai flood's knowing that those two countries have decided to prioritize their economy over the climate it's therefore a problem brought on themselves. Very disappointing result but at least one of the counties likely to be affected the most and will therefore pay the heaviest price were responsible for the deal. India is making its bed today tomorrow it needs to lie in it.

Yanbu to care about the planet. It is virtually impossible to avoid stiff from china though (not sure about india).

I am vegan and have just started buying wonky veg (from Oddbox) to reduce food waste (and as a result water and CO2). Maybe you could try that?

A report last week noted that the international - global - 1% are responsible for the majority of emissions.

It's not about individual countries.

And as it happens both China and India have taken world leading measures to tackle the biggest issue relating to climate change and environmental damage - human overpopulation.

China's now abandoned one child policy was much criticised by other countries.

Now a region in India is looking at a similar measure. Incentives will be offered to have smaller families.

Both countries have the right idea. Instead of hurting the poor further by making resources too expensive (and therefore drastically reducing quality of life and standard of living), they looked at the root cause. Reducing demand for those resources through education on and access to birth control.

Australia is worse per head & with rather less adherence to the protocols - & Boris has come to trade agreements with them (think green hydrogen agreement)
Its easier to make choices if you have the finance (which many do not have) but even than there so many invisible & essential parts & goods that come from there. & as others have said per head per capita per pollution CO2 level doesn't correlate with amount of responsibility for this situation.

USA still produces & sells coal & oil - we will have to see how well this works for them & the rest of us

The problem with sanctions and boycotts is that they generally have a disproportionate impact on the poor and disadvantaged.

@Mouseonmychair

The only consolation for me is now India a country most likely to be affected by climate change is responsible for watering down the agreement. It makes me feel guilt free (I'm not making changes if they are not), pull up the drawbridge for climate refugee's, I won't feel overly sympathetic next time Chennai flood's knowing that those two countries have decided to prioritize their economy over the climate it's therefore a problem brought on themselves. Very disappointing result but at least one of the counties likely to be affected the most and will therefore pay the heaviest price were responsible for the deal. India is making its bed today tomorrow it needs to lie in it.

Aww aren't you smug in your nice house, with your nice wage, with your nice things the majority of them from one of those countries with no sympathy for the poverty the people in those countries live in, the lives they'll lose, because you know.. they don't want to starve . Countries that do your dirty work , countries that we had a massive hand in "making" them what they are.

They've brought it on themselves and they deserve everything they get. Hopefully next time you need help with anything no one stops first if it was something you did that brought you there before they offer sympathy or help.

@mynameiscalypso absolutely anyone remember the S African boycott - I do not think it had much affect

Why should we suffer because some leaders think they are King Canute. The earths climate is controlled by the earths orbit not man.