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Fed up with unvaccinated colleague isolating

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Peevedcolleague · 12/11/2021 16:40

Name changed 'cos I'll probably get slated but aibu to be pissed off about a colleague self isolating yet again while the rest of us have to carry on and pick up the pieces?

A new colleague chose not to be jabbed and is now facing numerous isolation periods at home on full pay where the rest of us have to carry on and cover her workload. Nature of the job means she's likely to be a close contact fairly regularly.

Even if she changed her mind and gets jabbed tomorrow, it'll be 10 weeks minimum before she's exempt from isolation so this could happen several more times yet.

Aibu to feel resentful and wish she bloody well got jabbed like the rest of us?

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coconutmonkey · 12/11/2021 17:51

@LoveGrooveDanceParty

We're not evil people.

Is that your war cry?

I work very hard in my job as a teacher, have never once had to isolate aside from when our school had a few cases which caused all bubbles to shut before the summer. Meanwhile, we've picked up the slack countless times while my jabbed colleagues have tested positive but remained symptomless and well at home on full pay, with no expectation to do anything. Should I have to isolate at home then I would be happy to and expected to fulfill my role in any other way. As I say, in my experience of working in a school it has been the double vaccinated who are catching Covid, although luckily all have remained well or very mildly symptomatic. I can see why the OP is annoyed with the rules in place but we aren't all swanning around hoping to isolate for an eternity.

5keletor · 12/11/2021 17:52

@Unmerited As I said I'm not against vaccinations, my kids have also been vaccinated on schedule (although much too young for the covid vaccine). But I don't like the idea of anyone being forced to have it, I think it's a slippery slope. Not everyone had, or has, the "old" vaccines, but herd immunity has eradicated those illnesses (or made them extremely rare) in the UK.

Mantlemoose · 12/11/2021 17:52

It's the government who make the rules and your employers who've decided full pay is being awarded so take it up with them. Why should someone be forced into putting something in their body they don't want to.

@nathanandfanny - in Scotland if you're not vaccinated for medical reasons you're treated as being vaccinated if identified as a CC.

Jaxhog · 12/11/2021 17:54

@MadMadMadamMim

YABU. Choosing to not take the vaccine is her choice.

However, you shouldn't be picking up her work. Just keep doing your own and it shouldn't affect you. And point out to management that they need to put cover in if she is absent. You can't do her job as well as your own.

What universe do you live in??! Most people don't have a choice, as the work has to get done, and most businesses can't afford the costs and time for short-term cover at short notice.

YANBU. If she isn't actually ill, she should be doing her work at home at least.

Clocktopus · 12/11/2021 17:55

Why isn’t her pay being docked? You need to take it up with management

No, OP doesn't need to take it up with management as another employees sickness or pay is nothing to do with her.

What OP needs to take up with management is the increased workload in general terms and to ask what management are going to put in place to cover the shortfall in staff when people are off sick and/or isolating. If they're expecting other staff to do extra hours then say no, you have a right to only work your contracted hours.

LoveGrooveDanceParty · 12/11/2021 17:56

As I say, in my experience of working in a school it has been the double vaccinated who are catching Covid

As has been explained to you a couple of times, of course it is, because statistically, the vast majority of people have been vaccinated.

Who are taking up hospital beds, ICU places and dying from it now - the vaccinated or unvaccinated?

HappyDays101010 · 12/11/2021 17:57

She has made a decision about her own body, presumably an informed decision

Clocktopus · 12/11/2021 17:57

Does her absence affect your staff to child ratio? Ofsted are very strict about ratios.

Jane0106 · 12/11/2021 17:57

Can see why you feel fed up as I would be. But at the end of the day it's your work who pay for the sickness leave. A lot of companies don't. Therefore shouldn't really be frustrated with your colleague but the company you work for.

nathanandfanny · 12/11/2021 17:57

@coconutmonkey

Strange really that you did it for other people, yet the vast majority of people I have known to have caught Covid are double vaccinated. I know of one unjabbed person who has caught it since being double jabbed was a thing. So who is really catching and spreading it again?

Your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. In October 80-90 per cent of people in intensive care units with Covid were unvaccinated. Now it’s more like 35 per cent. That’s because the vaccine has quite a short life span - hence boosters ie more vaccine so their protection jumps up from 60 per cent after six months and back up to 95 per cent. This is a trend (it happened in Israel). And as for only the vaccinated getting Covid - my kids school had 35 positives thst I knew about last month and absolutely not one single one of them had been vaccinated because the government hadn’t yet authorised it.

JesusIsAnyNameFree · 12/11/2021 17:58

@Grapewrath

Yabu She has made a decision about her own body, presumably an informed decision. Vaccines don’t come without risks and she feels the vaccine risk possess greater threat than covid in her case. Yanbu to be annoyed but she didn’t make up the isolation rules

Informed? What, from reading The Science of Facebook Idiots? There's plenty of research that shows that the risks of having the vaccine are teeny tiny compared to the risks of having covid. She's just a dickhead, probably loving sitting on her arse on full pay while others pick up the slack. Please.

Jaxhog · 12/11/2021 17:58

[quote 5keletor]@Unmerited As I said I'm not against vaccinations, my kids have also been vaccinated on schedule (although much too young for the covid vaccine). But I don't like the idea of anyone being forced to have it, I think it's a slippery slope. Not everyone had, or has, the "old" vaccines, but herd immunity has eradicated those illnesses (or made them extremely rare) in the UK.[/quote]
Obviously, you haven't caught one of these 'old' illnesses. I didn't get the Whooping Cough vaccine as a child (not available), and because so many people now seem to think it 'eradicated' I caught it as an older adult. I was out of action for nearly 6 months.

Herd immunity does NOT eradicate most illnesses.

Theunamedcat · 12/11/2021 17:58

Where my sister works if you choose not to be vaccinated you will not be paid if your exempt or your vaccinated you are paid for time off so yes its a choice there that hurts you in your pocket

And the nature of the job means your unable to work from home

CBroads · 12/11/2021 17:59

You are being unreasonable. Is it nice up there on your vaccinated high horse ? Honestly some of you lot need to go to North Korea, you'd enjoy living there with all of the freedoms they don't have.

You want the jab? Fine. I don't and I won't be bullied into it either.

nathanandfanny · 12/11/2021 18:00

But of course it is essentially the governments fault. The government should make vaccines mandatory for access to public places and working with any vulnerable/ unvaccinated people. Or if it’s not going to do that it should have a scheme whereby companies unvaccinated people who are self isolating are funded to be given cover. At the moment the pixies are just a mess.

LoveGrooveDanceParty · 12/11/2021 18:01

@CBroads

You are being unreasonable. Is it nice up there on your vaccinated high horse ? Honestly some of you lot need to go to North Korea, you'd enjoy living there with all of the freedoms they don't have.

You want the jab? Fine. I don't and I won't be bullied into it either.

You genuinely think it’s OK that this person sits at home on full pay while everyone else does her work for her?

SusieBob · 12/11/2021 18:01

YANBU.

All the anti-vaxxers are perfectly happy to enjoy the country being relatively back to normal whilst accepting none of the responsibility of how we actually got there because they read on twitter the vaccine has gone fucking mercury in it or something equally stupid.

nathanandfanny · 12/11/2021 18:02

the moment the pixies are just a mess

Um. Policies

Lightisnotwhite · 12/11/2021 18:02

@ItsmyaddressIsntit

It’s her body and her choice

Nothing to do with you

You wouldn’t moan if a colleague got pregnant and needed multiple days off due to sickness or complications then had maternity leave would you ?

Or if another colleague sustained a sporting injury from a hobby and needed to be off for physio or surgery etc

This. It’s not compulsory and she’s just following the rules. I’m upset about people getting lengthy sick leave whilst taking the piss but I’ll take a few anti vaxxers over a rule of law that says every citizen must have it.

Roselilly36 · 12/11/2021 18:04

YABU, your body, your choice, it’s not on, to victimise others for their choice, you may not know the full circumstances involved OP.

XenoBitch · 12/11/2021 18:04

You genuinely think it’s OK that this person sits at home on full pay while everyone else does her work for her?

You could say the same about any reason that someone is off work. This person did not make the rules, or choose to stay at home.

LoveGrooveDanceParty · 12/11/2021 18:04

You wouldn’t moan if a colleague got pregnant and needed multiple days off due to sickness or complications then had maternity leave would you?

Or if another colleague sustained a sporting injury from a hobby and needed to be off for physio or surgery etc

How on earth are these comparable…?

They’re reasons for being off - actual illness and injury?!

As opposed to just skiving at home on her arse while everyone else does her work.

RuggerHug · 12/11/2021 18:05

@CBroads

You are being unreasonable. Is it nice up there on your vaccinated high horse ? Honestly some of you lot need to go to North Korea, you'd enjoy living there with all of the freedoms they don't have.

You want the jab? Fine. I don't and I won't be bullied into it either.

No. You made a choice, you see it through and stick to it. You're not being made do anything, just accepting that your choice has consequences. Children understand that.

AlohaMolly · 12/11/2021 18:05

If I read the OP correctly, she’s annoyed because her colleague could potentially face numerous isolations, not that she has had numerous isolations.

I’m in Wales, everyone has to isolate regardless of vaccination status if they’re identified as a close contact. Would that make you happier, OP? Presumably she’s worked just as hard as you throughout the pandemic and has yet to catch it? Do you know why she hasn’t been vaccinated?

swampytiggaa · 12/11/2021 18:05

I work in a supermarket. As of 1/10 anyone who chooses not to be vaccinated who then needs to isolate as a close contact has to take the time as unpaid. Impossible to work from home and we are short staffed as it is.

Presume anyone who actually can’t have the vaccine is treated differently but would think that would involve a doctors letter or similar.

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