To ask what we vote for now? (Anti Tory thread)

[Imposter1]

I have voted Tory in the past. It was more lack of sensible other options. They seemed the best of a bad bunch.

I will never vote for them again though. The nail in the coffin for me was MP admitting that life was a struggle on £82k. And he “had childcare to pay for” so needed 2nd jobs beyond being an MP. They have been slowly pissing me off for years and it’s just tipped over for me.

I’m done. But what else is there? I’m not sure where I fit in.

Things that are important to me are:
-women’s rights (I’m not a fan of the current narrative of deleting women… e.g. “pregnant people”, allowing trans people into women’s prisons etc)

• women’s safety
• childcare- making it more affordable and easier for women to return to work after kids
• bring back family centres that were closed down
• giving adequate funding to NHS, police, education (and proper front line funding, not a bunch of made up jobs that pay ridiculous amounts for being a “manager”)
• someone who cares about the environment and doesn’t just make promises that never come true

Is there actually a party that would suit me?

Also if someone paid me £82k plus expenses, I would dedicate my life to the job.

But politics doesn’t want people like me… I’m not a stuffy older man that was educated at Cambridge.

Perhaps it should be easier to get into politics

In a similar boat, we need new parties, lots of them.

All the current major ones are full of career politicians not people who really care about society.

For me with the Tories it was the lockdown, vax mandates and upcoming vax passports. None of us voted for this and the tax rises plus green nonsese were just extra sprinkles on the sh1t sandwich they served us.

We need whoever will stand up to pharmaceutical tyranny

YABVU for ever voting Tory.

YA also BU about the job

Plenty of MPs aren't older Cambridge educated men

But you have to recognise that due to our shitty outdated electroal system, in most parts of England you'll need to join one of three parties to stand a chance of ever being an MP. For Scotland and Wales you can add the National Parties and of course NI has it's own salad of parties. What you can't do is make up all your own policy priorities, stand and have any chance of getting elected.

You should probably start with changing the stupid electoral system.

@TheNoonBell

In a similar boat, we need new parties, lots of them.

All the current major ones are full of career politicians not people who really care about society.

For me with the Tories it was the lockdown, vax mandates and upcoming vax passports. None of us voted for this and the tax rises plus green nonsese were just extra sprinkles on the sh1t sandwich they served us.

New parties cannot work due to our outdated electoral system.

@TheNoonBell

In a similar boat, we need new parties, lots of them.

All the current major ones are full of career politicians not people who really care about society.

For me with the Tories it was the lockdown, vax mandates and upcoming vax passports. None of us voted for this and the tax rises plus green nonsese were just extra sprinkles on the sh1t sandwich they served us.

For me with the Tories it was the lockdown, vax mandates and upcoming vax passports. None of us voted for this and the tax rises plus green nonsese were just extra sprinkles on the sh1t sandwich they served us. If you voted Tory, none of that should have been a shock.

I’m also not sure that anger at previous Tory voters will do much to get us on your side.

Perhaps a bit of kindness and understanding might help. No point getting angry about something that can’t be changed. You can only change the future.

I don’t think ‘lots of new parties’ will help at all, to be honest/not with ‘first past the post’ voting system.

I will vote for whoever looks likely to be able to oust my own Tory MP-as I always have done.

Perhaps a bit of kindness and understanding might help. No point getting angry about something that can’t be changed. You can only change the future

will you promise to be nice from now on and not to do it (vote tory) again ?

@Imposter1

I’m also not sure that anger at previous Tory voters will do much to get us on your side.

Perhaps a bit of kindness and understanding might help. No point getting angry about something that can’t be changed. You can only change the future.

I don't need to "get you on my side" - I am just a random poster on the internet. There seems to be a vague threat here, something like "be nice or I'll vote Tory again" - vote for who you want, just don't waft about pretending it's something it isn't.

Do you not remember the expenses scandal ?

People have very short memories when it comes to putting a cross next to a party come Election Day

The system is there to be abused and it is by many in Parliament. No MP should have a second job, advisory roles or sit on a board of directors and their expenses should be carefully scrutinised. I would not object to them being paid more and having tighter restrictions on expenses and that the role of an MP (which is an honour) should be their only working role

No it’s not a threat. It’s common sense.

Other parties do need me actually. I’m lost on the edge. I don’t know where to turn next.

I live in a place that has always had a tory MP. If there are enough people that turn we might just change that.

£82000 isn’t a huge salary in London.

Then move it out of London. Think outside the box. We don’t all need to live in Chelsea. I doubt my MP (outside of London) lives in a terraced house.

Why do we pay nurses peanuts in London then?

So many questions…

Making them (MPs) subject to the same tax regime on expenses would be a start.

@Imposter1

No it’s not a threat. It’s common sense.

Other parties do need me actually. I’m lost on the edge. I don’t know where to turn next.

I live in a place that has always had a tory MP. If there are enough people that turn we might just change that.

If there are enough people that turn we might just change that. If you're in a safe Tory seat that is highly unlikely - due to our shit voting system. Also if you continue to deploy logic like "It was more lack of sensible other options. They seemed the best of a bad bunch." Then we'll never make any progress. But the electoral system is the primary barrier to proper democracy in the UK.

Why do we pay nurses peanuts in London then?
We've been able to get a cheap supply from other countries.
We have been able to get away with it
We need a lot more nurses than MPs

Other parties should be trying to win me over though. Isn’t it sad that none of the main parties are doing a good enough job to make me want to vote for them. I’m not alone either.

Now people are starting to wake up to Tory bad behaviour… now is the time to strike! Get people interested in an alternative. Before they forget and vote the same they always have.

My MP is actually Oxford educated, he’s about as stereotypical Tory you can imagine. And he’s useless. He’s very very quiet and we Don’t hear much from him at all.

£82k is far more that most people get paid in London

And not many people get all their rent paid for and a huge number of other costs covered

So it’s not a wage they are expected to live on but one that is easy to live on (I live in London and earn less that half that and rent a two bed flat)

Is there actually a party that would suit me?

Well so far from the thread it looks like its a no

Someone mentioned the communist party on another thread but as others have said due to our current system they haven’t a car in hells chance

Obviously doesn’t stop you voting for them though

(Disclaimer….ive no idea of their policies as with other parties they could be awesome on some policies and shite on others)

@Imposter1

My MP is actually Oxford educated, he’s about as stereotypical Tory you can imagine. And he’s useless. He’s very very quiet and we Don’t hear much from him at all.

Yet you voted for him.

@Imposter1

Other parties should be trying to win me over though. Isn’t it sad that none of the main parties are doing a good enough job to make me want to vote for them. I’m not alone either.

Now people are starting to wake up to Tory bad behaviour… now is the time to strike! Get people interested in an alternative. Before they forget and vote the same they always have.

Well the Tories probably think getting your vote is a piece of piss - and so far they are right.

As for the others - perhaps they think you're a lost cause.

why not join this

www.womensequality.org.uk/

Then you can stand against the Tory in your seat.

They've not changed. They are as they ever were. I'm not sure why you think other parties should be trying to win you over though? Do you think you're somehow more significant a vote than other people? Tories have never tried to "win me over" based on their war on the poor and general lack of interest in honesty, clarity or morality. I've always taken my own self off to read policies etc. I don't want the politics to become even more like American rallys and nonsense aimed at winning votes. So I'd definitely shy away from a party doing that