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Alice Evans on Lorraine

999 replies

Creamcrackersandricecakes · 11/11/2021 09:32

This poor woman is clearly in the middle of the most horrendous breakdown - who the fuck thought this interview was a good idea?

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CrazyTimesAreOccurring · 18/11/2021 08:50

I wonder whether Lorraine and Vanessa will actually now try and help her as she has gone completely OTT, and the woman bashing she is doing is disgusting.

It isnt at all "a wronged woman bravely speaking out" as it seemed at first, and L appeared to buy in to for ratings. It's a woman on the edge of a complete mental breakdown being egged on to jump.

oh look there is a pig flying

WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 18/11/2021 08:51

@Muddybanks

Bit of an irony that there are so many people on here posting negatively against AE every day, and then criticising her for doing the same thing to someone else!
I don't think she's being called a slut, bogan, horse toothed, gold digging, balding, small cock, narcissistic, bad family and ugly is she 🤔
WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 18/11/2021 08:51

And I agree, I think Ioan is very attractive.

Glassofshloer · 18/11/2021 08:54

Does anyone remember Abby Cohen whose husband left her for his Strictly partner? Now, she I had (and have) a lot of sympathy for.

She didn’t stay silent, she did do a few press releases on her hurt feelings & putting her side of the story across. Possibly not in the most dignified way, but neither did she go in for the really low blows/insults etc.

She was completely heartbroken but she picked herself up, continued her photography business, has held a dignified silence ever since & now has the most gorgeous man in her life.

I’m not saying women should stay silent for the convenience of men. I’m saying there is an ocean between putting your side of the story across and showing how hurt you are, and Alice’s frankly disturbing behaviour.

Gohugatree · 18/11/2021 08:57

Piglet, what good is she doing by her actions?

There is a huge difference between a public statement of hurt and disappointment at the ending of a marriage (and tbh, I'd be very surprised that any one outside the two individuals and their immediate family would care) and what Alice Evans is doing.

She is being abusive to a woman she doesn't know, accusing her of 'stealing' her husband Hmm when there is no evidence whatsoever of an affair - and within celebrity circles/gutter press journalists you can bet if there was even a hint something would have made it into the gossip columns.

She is whipping up her fangirls into a frenzy and encouraging them to go looking for information on Bianca which she can use in further abuse.

She appears to be drunk tweeting in the middle of the night, most of the night. He has accused Ioan Gruffud of not caring that their nanny is seriously ill - she herself appears to care less, I would suggest that she is not in the best place to be caring for her children in her current state, therefore putting more of the burden on the unwell nanny.

Her children are seeing her behaviour. They are seeing her call their father every name under the sun. If he manages to maintain a long term relationship with Bianca, which I seriously doubt having seen Alice Evans' behaviour, his daughters will probably reject her due to their mother's libellous ranting.

The divorce petition sights parental alienation so her behaviour appears to be longstanding.

She is using her two young children as pawns. She is proving herself a liar, unemployable time and time again.

What she is doing is helping no-one, certainly not women dealing with relationship breakdown.

Glassofshloer · 18/11/2021 09:05

@Gohugatree I don’t think Piglet can answer that, unless she/he proves me wrong. I’ve already asked a couple of times.

Alice’s supporters, the ones who are vicariously ‘punishing’ their exes through her, desperately want there to be some kind of ‘justice’ for husbands leaving their wives, especially if they then date a younger woman.

They want to believe they can change society’s ‘acceptance’ of such behaviour to 1. Shame their ex and 2. Prevent it happening with future husbands.

But, there really is no mechanism by which this can happen. Creating any stigma around leaving a relationship doesn’t just end neatly with married men dating younger women, the collateral damage will be shaming people leaving abusive or controlling relationships. It’s frightening that these supporters see this as a price worth paying in order to ‘exact their revenge’. But they can’t admit this so they just say vague things about ‘holding him to account’ and ‘not being silenced’.

Neither of which will result in anything, but it makes them feel better, I guess.

SpookyScarySkeletons · 18/11/2021 09:11

[quote Glassofshloer]@KosherDill oh he is attractive - come on, I know you don’t like him because he left her, but he is attractive.[/quote]
Got to agree there. I've had the hots for him since he was in titanic!

DreamerSeven · 18/11/2021 09:16

I hope her Twitter account gets taken down, regardless of what happened in her marriage breakdown, she’s now crossed a line into bullying and harassment with a good dollop of misogynistic, anti-feminist language to boot.

KosherDill · 18/11/2021 09:18

I find him too slender and hipster for my personal taste. And his trademark grins with the coyly lowered eyes look stagey as though he's practiced in the mirror. Those pool slippers don't help, either. 🤣

To each her own, though!

Glassofshloer · 18/11/2021 09:19

@KosherDill

I find him too slender and hipster for my personal taste. And his trademark grins with the coyly lowered eyes look stagey as though he's practiced in the mirror. Those pool slippers don't help, either. 🤣

To each her own, though!

Fair enough!
Muddybanks · 18/11/2021 09:22

I don't think she's being called a slut, bogan, horse toothed, gold digging, balding, small cock, narcissistic, bad family and ugly is she 🤔

Well, having skimmed through just a few pages of this thread the following words have been used to describe AE are as follows:

disgusting
narcissist
foul
deluded
paranoid
manipulative
vindictive
troll
bully
venomous
vain
self absorbed

and I've left out all the comments about her apparently losing her looks, putting on weight, losing her attractiveness and the speculation about cosmetic surgery etc.

This is a woman going through one of the most seismic, horrendous, events in her life that someone can experience, and having a possible mental health crisis to boot. How is constantly criticising her on here helping her or the other parties involved or their dc? Seriously, I thought this was meant to be a site that was supportive of parents.

And what are people getting out of constantly criticising her? Does it make them feel better about their own lives? Seriously?

Gohugatree · 18/11/2021 09:27

Tbh, Muddy, many of those descriptions are true enough, wholly as evinced by the lady herself.

She is allowed to criticise who she wants on a public platform, but her behaviour cannot be criticised at all?

The seismic, horrendous events she is experiencing are somewhat down to her own behaviour too.

WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 18/11/2021 09:28

disgusting
narcissist
foul
deluded
paranoid
manipulative
vindictive
troll
bully
venomous
vain
self absorbed

I do think her behaviour is all those things 🤷🏼‍♀️

I don't think it's fair attacking her physical looks though.

Seriously, I thought this was meant to be a site that was supportive of parents.

Well Ioan is a parent too, so...

IndecentCakes · 18/11/2021 09:34

Lordy, the twitter feed! I take it all back - I actually feel sorry for Ioan now. Yeah, the younger woman thing was not very nice but I'm sure this isn't a sudden personality transplant AE has had. The twitter is just...disturbing.

Thesummeriwas16 · 18/11/2021 09:51

@Muddybanks

I don't think she's being called a slut, bogan, horse toothed, gold digging, balding, small cock, narcissistic, bad family and ugly is she 🤔

Well, having skimmed through just a few pages of this thread the following words have been used to describe AE are as follows:

disgusting
narcissist
foul
deluded
paranoid
manipulative
vindictive
troll
bully
venomous
vain
self absorbed

and I've left out all the comments about her apparently losing her looks, putting on weight, losing her attractiveness and the speculation about cosmetic surgery etc.

This is a woman going through one of the most seismic, horrendous, events in her life that someone can experience, and having a possible mental health crisis to boot. How is constantly criticising her on here helping her or the other parties involved or their dc? Seriously, I thought this was meant to be a site that was supportive of parents.

And what are people getting out of constantly criticising her? Does it make them feel better about their own lives? Seriously?

I agree - the woman is ill!
LittleMysSister · 18/11/2021 09:54

I do think some of the comments have been harsh @Muddybanks, particularly those about Alice's appearance, which are very unfair. She's an attractive woman and I doubt anyone would look their best when they're going through such a hard time, I know I wouldn't.

However, she isn't a parent who's posted on here for support, she's a celeb putting all of her issues into the public eye. A thread on her is no different than any of the others here which discuss celebrities, of which there are many. People will always comment on those in the public eye.

Also I think there is a bit of a difference between a general thread discussing her on a chat forum and the very personal tweets and abuse she is directing straight at her ex's new partner and even her sister. I am assuming the people who have commented less than nice things here are not going on twitter and sending them straight to Alice.

SpookyScarySkeletons · 18/11/2021 09:56

Seriously, I thought this was meant to be a site that was supportive of parents.

Yes but not blindly applauding someone who is risking her home and custody of her children by tweet awful personal attacks on numerous women. Most of whom she has never met.

Fred West was a parent?
Karen Mathews?

We aren't supporting them just because they are parents?

Also as far as AE is concerned we are commenting on her increasingly erratic and worrying BEHAVIOUR not her appearance or background.

Bluntness100 · 18/11/2021 09:59

@Muddybanks

I don't think she's being called a slut, bogan, horse toothed, gold digging, balding, small cock, narcissistic, bad family and ugly is she 🤔

Well, having skimmed through just a few pages of this thread the following words have been used to describe AE are as follows:

disgusting
narcissist
foul
deluded
paranoid
manipulative
vindictive
troll
bully
venomous
vain
self absorbed

and I've left out all the comments about her apparently losing her looks, putting on weight, losing her attractiveness and the speculation about cosmetic surgery etc.

This is a woman going through one of the most seismic, horrendous, events in her life that someone can experience, and having a possible mental health crisis to boot. How is constantly criticising her on here helping her or the other parties involved or their dc? Seriously, I thought this was meant to be a site that was supportive of parents.

And what are people getting out of constantly criticising her? Does it make them feel better about their own lives? Seriously?

I also think her behaviour is these things. And it’s very different to calling someone a skank, whore, slut, bogan, trailer trash, horse toothed, bitch, gold digger etc,

Alice’s behaviour is deeply concerning and damaging, it is also totally unacceptable to bully and abuse, stalk and harass someone becayse they started dating your ex a year after the relationship ended.

BarefootHippieChick · 18/11/2021 10:14

@WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps

She's absolutely disgusting putting a picture up of Bianca and her sister, plus all the slut and bogan talk. Hurt or not, she's shown she's not a nice person deep down 🤷🏼‍♀️

I have to agree with this. She didn't just wake up one morning a completely different person. Her core personality is still the same, I'm guessing she's just kept it well hidden all these years

PollyDarton1 · 18/11/2021 10:22

The latest Instagram post is beyond vindictive.

PollyDarton1 · 18/11/2021 10:24

I think the difference between the descriptors used for AE and the absolute mudslinging of BW is that AE is showing herself to be those things. BW and IG (whilst I disagree of the timing of the Instagram post they put up) haven't shown any behaviours whatsoever. Describing AE as those things is accurate, but AE is mudslinging someone for having the audacity to be with her ex husband without any proof.

Bluntness100 · 18/11/2021 10:27

Personally I understand the fury and jealousy of seeing an ex move on. I also understand you getting pissed one night and calling the new woman all the names under the sun to your mates, as you drunkenly cry into your wine. Of thinking it in your head.

I do not understand the daily public abuse she is heaping on bianca. The witch hunt over her past and family. She’s in there calling her a whore, skank, slut, in front of the world. And she says she laughs hard when others join in. “Biggest laugh of the day” and ,cheers her right up” apparently. And people are posting awful abuse about this woman, randoms calling bianca a slut a skank and a whore. And Alice is asking posters to tag loan and bianca so she can make sure they see it.

One poster when looking at the pic someone found of bianca and her sister said “she’s the one covering her slut face”. It’s awful awful abuse.

That’s not talking about your hurt of your marriage breakdown, it’s abusive persistent bullying, harrassment and stalking.

I don’t care if she’s been shagging loan for the last decade. No one deserves the amount of online abuse and trolling bianca is getting and Alice is encouraging People to do and then asking them to tag her them so they can see it.

Muddybanks · 18/11/2021 10:28

@LittleMysSister

I do think some of the comments have been harsh *@Muddybanks*, particularly those about Alice's appearance, which are very unfair. She's an attractive woman and I doubt anyone would look their best when they're going through such a hard time, I know I wouldn't.

However, she isn't a parent who's posted on here for support, she's a celeb putting all of her issues into the public eye. A thread on her is no different than any of the others here which discuss celebrities, of which there are many. People will always comment on those in the public eye.

Also I think there is a bit of a difference between a general thread discussing her on a chat forum and the very personal tweets and abuse she is directing straight at her ex's new partner and even her sister. I am assuming the people who have commented less than nice things here are not going on twitter and sending them straight to Alice.

Fair enough LittleMysSister. I commented on here myself in support of AE a few pages back but I was surprised to return and see the thread still continuing a couple of days later. And I agree AE must take some responsibility for posting in such a public domain herself but I cannot bear people piling on, some constantly and quite vehemently, when it is obvious she is not well mentally.

My best friend when through a very similar situation and it is painful to see someone suffering in the same way, even though I don't know them from Adam, and tbh, hadn't really heard of AE until this debacle cropped up. My bf was so hurt because her marriage break up came out of the blue after 20 years plus, she lost 3 stone, and is still, a decade later, suffering financially in some ways, and now suffers from depression. Not because she had poor self esteem before or because her self esteem was based on her looks, she had a very good career in fact, but because the world as she knew it and envisaged for the future, is so irrevocably altered, she finds it hard to trust situations and people and to look forward to things. And it has changed her children's lives in many ways that are not very positive too.

I am a bit torn about your point about general thread on here v personal tweets because in some ways I think the latter are at least more honest and transparent although still hurtful! I don't know for sure but I think it is a fairly safe assumption that AE is looking on here also.

Anyway, I will bow out now. But thanks for your measured response.

Btw for the record Spookyscaryskeletons I nearly wrote "supportive of women" but changed it to parents at the last minute because I agree that fairness to both sexes is important. However, people who go through life crises and develop mh issues as a result, can sometimes react in very destructive ways to themselves and others. I've seen it happen. As you say, her behaviour is increasing erratic and worrying. Imho AE needs support not condemnation.

StucklnAMuumuuCantGetOutOflt · 18/11/2021 10:29

'At the time of the break-up, when hugely stressed, I once angrily referred to Ben's partner as a ''f*ing Russian dancer'' to a journalist hassling me. I regret that now.'

Abby Cohen

If she regrets saying something comparatively minor, then Lord knows how Alice will feel (in hindsight) years down the line.

Iamdobby63 · 18/11/2021 10:32

I think it’s been evident that there has always been a certain side to her personality.

Even though I hate seeing what she is doing on Twitter with the bullying, trolling, lying (twisting facts), not to mention the fact I am certain her actions are deeply damaging to the children, there is a part of me that still feels sorry for her. Clearly she doesn’t want to stop feeling how she’s feeling right now, I hope it is because she’s hurting and is not doing it to boost her profile. I only say that because someone said ‘give Alice her own reality show’ and her response was clear she would be up for that. … maybe I’m judging too much but I find that odd when your life has imploded.

Anyway, we all know what she should be doing, I’m sure if she had posted to these boards there would have been lots of support and advice on how to protect herself and help in moving forward.