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AIBU?

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User154871 · 10/11/2021 19:24

Hi, sorry in advance for the long post. I've posted about my DM before on the Stately Homes thread. She is narcissistic and an alcoholic. My sister is NC and I want to continue a relationship with her but put boundaries in place to protect us.

We fell out earlier over a small issue of her kissing the baby. I'm due next week, she will be visiting people in another hospital and I said something like 'potentially don't kiss the baby right after coming from a hospital'.

She told me 'I could think again and that she had rights to kiss and hug her grandchild whenever she wanted'.

I shouldn't have responded really - I told her 'you will have the rights we decide you have'. She put the phone down.

She has previously made comments about disregarding our food choices, dummies etc. She wants to do a lot of childcare which will not be happening (but I've avoided the question rather than responding as she sees it as a challenge to overcome if you argue...I was just trying to grey rock). She also has offered to drive us home from the hospital. This will not be happening as she regularly drives over the limit and has no intentions to cut back on her alcohol use (another reason why she will be supervised with the baby and not do childcare).

I've just received a long email telling me that 'Motherhood is not about being in control. She will accept our rules even if she thinks we are wrong but that we need to accept her rules and ideas too.'

AIBU? I wasn't planning on having this conversation at all for a while as it seems silly to make rules about an unborn baby; but I don't know whether she has a point about my need for control. I do have anxiety and like to be in control - mostly because she was always unpredictable and sometimes scary when drunk when I was a child. But now I'm questioning everything and doubting myself. Advice would be much appreciated!

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 10/11/2021 19:28

I think you should join your sister in the NC camp

tipOver · 10/11/2021 19:29

She sounds like the controlling one to me. No, the baby is yours not hers so you get to choose all the rules. The baby probably isn't safe with her from what you've said anyway. Try to ignore her manipulation tactics, you seem much more patient with her than I would be! Good luck op xx

Dollartuckedinsidemyshoe · 10/11/2021 19:29

You need to do the same as your sibling and go no contact to be honest.

You can’t reason with someone like your mother.

LittleOwl153 · 10/11/2021 19:32

Maybe you need to get yourself some counselling ahead of the baby being born - see if you can straighten up some of the issues with your mother and the impacts she has on you in your head.

But I'd agree with pp your sister has the right idea. No way would she be let loose on my baby!

FangsForTheMemory · 10/11/2021 19:32

I'd tell her to shove her rules where the sun doesn't shine.

Yourehistory · 10/11/2021 19:34

Had all this from Dp's dad, who he had realised after a long time was emotionally abusive. He banged on about grandparents' rights as well. There are no such thing. Only the child has rights where grandparents are concerned. We had to go NC to protect ourselves in the end.

She has no leverage here at all, so just remember that. You're the parents, you choose who has contact and how it works. Of course you won't always have control. But you don't owe some measure of control to her!

Sicario · 10/11/2021 19:35

So you're due next week and she's creating dramas and kicking off at you?

You definitely need to call the shots on this one. Tell her no visitors until you say so, including her.

Take this special time for you and your new baby. As for the future, I'd seriously be considering going NC.

Glasspen · 10/11/2021 19:39

I think this will not end well - she will continually attempt to corrode your rules and you will be in a constant battle. How much can you put up with?

raspberrycordial · 10/11/2021 19:41

If you know she regularly drives over the limit then you should report to the police-completely unacceptable not to.

StephenQueen · 10/11/2021 19:45

Narc, alcoholic, drink drives, disregards your rules on your child?

I wouldn't let her anywhere near them.

Dutch1e · 10/11/2021 19:46

I fully appreciate this is a very vulnerable time and so I ask this gently but seriously: how many more red flags do you need?

User0ne · 10/11/2021 19:46

Your first responsibility is to your baby. You are best placed to decide what is best for them and it is your job to protect them from real and potential harm. If you ever doubt yourself remember the above.

It's easier to say no and relax the rules slowly than to say yes and then have to tighten them.

And as pp have said: get some counselling yourself. There was loads of stuff from my childhood that took on a totally new light when I became a parent.

BurntTheFuckOut · 10/11/2021 19:47

Motherhood isn’t about control but she is (attempting) to controlling you and your baby.

Don’t let her.

Join your sister in the NC camp.

She will ruin your MH, your early days/weeks/months with your baby.

Thehop · 10/11/2021 19:48

If you have to reply I’d be going with

“Hahahahahaha good one! My baby my rules.”

Shmithecat2 · 10/11/2021 19:48

I'm at a loss as to the reasons why you feel it beneficial to keep her in your, or in your child's life. Go NC.

TempName01 · 10/11/2021 19:49

Reply, ‘you are totally right that Motherhood is not about being in control, I’m so glad you realise you should not be trying to control me, it means a lot to hear you admit that you will respect my wishes going forward’ 😬🤣

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 10/11/2021 19:50

You don't have to accept anything from her. She may have opinions and ideas, but you don't have to accept how she does things if you don't agree with them. She has no rights, and her contact with her grand children is dependent on her behaviour. Tell you you would like to have a relationship with her and for your child to as well but you will not tolerate certain things, such as disregarding your rules or driving drunk. Tell her this is not up for discussion or argument, it is just the way it is.

Pumpkinsonparade · 10/11/2021 19:51

Ime batshit dms make for batshit dgms...
Step away op
..
Your dc really won't miss out not having her around.
Been nc for nigh on 20 years.
No regrets.

IncompleteSenten · 10/11/2021 19:51

I think your sister is very sensible

User154871 · 10/11/2021 19:53

If I know the timings of her driving drunk I will report her. I only know of one incidence recently which is after my baby shower and I was a bit distracted to be completely honest. She has openly admitted driving drunk with us as children in the car.

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Wotsitsits · 10/11/2021 19:56

Go LC/NC.

Just stop thinking about it and do it. Honestly the relief will be immense. You have your own family now. F her and her insanity. You have better things to be doing than dealing with her bullshit.

NatriumChloride · 10/11/2021 20:01

What @AnyFucker said. Join your sister.

Notaroadrunner · 10/11/2021 20:02

YABU to have anything to do with her. Why on earth would you want someone like her to have any influence over your defenseless child. Your sister is well rid and you should take a leaf out of her book.

Mum198000 · 10/11/2021 20:07

She will ruin this special time and you will never get this time back. Go NC.

justasking111 · 10/11/2021 20:08

@AnyFucker

I think you should join your sister in the NC camp
This. All three of us bailed out over the years being the last one to give up meant the problems were all mine