thinking its now time to get super tough on dog ownership?

[adam7485]

after what has happened in wales to that poor little boy i can't help thinking its time to not jus bring back dog licences but before you buy a dog you should have to take an exam to prove that you can look after it properly. not only that but if your dog attacks someone not only should it be taken away from you but from that moment on your banned from ever owning dogs. anyone agree with me?

@MrsDThomas

I know 4 families who have rehomed dogs from Romania.

Is it easier than rehoming a dog from the UK?

When i was a teen, my parents tried to rehome a beagle from the RSPCA and our terrace house with a very large enclisede and supersafe garden was not suitable for sone reason.

We got a Jack Russell pup after that and he lived until the grand age of 18.

I just love that some cunts people who moaned about human migration seem fine with dog migration!

I have no idea if these families moaned about human migration.

I've lived in places where a dog licence is required. This was nothing more than a money making exercise. No details are kept or monitored about the animals and there are plenty of unregistered dogs. Occasionally, much like the TV licence guys in the UK, someone will come and knock on doors and see if they think a dog if there unregistered. There was still no shortage of problematic dogs.

Making the sale of animals on Gumtree etc illegal would be a start. Banning the breeding of domestic animals for profit without a licence might be another. But it all costs money to enforce so won't happen.

That poor child in Caerphilly. His poor parents, it is terrible.

Also, adopting animals from abroad should be banned. There are enough animals here that need homes. Yes some rescues are too strict, but better to be too strict than too lax.

A lot of the overseas rescues are really dubious. They do little to no checks on the dogs new homes and seem to have an endless supply of very cute 8 week old puppies

Hard agree. There’s loads of new dogs round here now and a lot are really bouncy and annoying, their owners being pulled along whilst they smile stupidly.

On paper it sounds like a good idea but I am not sure how it would be in practise. A huge amount of people have dogs, most are responsible... although a dog license would be a good idea to combat that how would it honestly be policed.

One of the big problems is people having dogs that don't suit them and that they don't understand.

I have a friend with an obese Springer spaniel as they aren't very outdoorsy and walk it round the block once a day. They clearly don't know the breed.

In fact I know several people with very overweight dogs.

Similarly those that have no basic training.

I was speaking to someone at work a couple of weeks ago and they mentioned that their Dalmatian (i.e. high energy, historically ran with fire trucks and carriages) doesn't need to / like to be walked so it just goes out in the garden. They live in a 3 bed semi not on an estate.

It breaks my heart.

Something needs doing but dog licences are not going to solve the problem.

Especially with illegal breeds. If you buy an illegal breed you aren't going to bother with a licence or an exam.

How is it going to be policed? Police aren't going to stop people walking their dogs asking for proof of ownership?

Something does need to be done. But I am not sure what. Someone who lives near has recently got a puppy because we can hear it barking in the garden most of the day. Which eventually just becomes a high pitched whine.

Too many people get them, that should easily know they can't look after them. Too many people that use them as a status symbol and turn them into dangerous dogs.

I adore dogs. I have 2. I adore them. But I think dog ownership doesn't suit a lot of people. But, I am not sure what to be honest.

And no, I don't want to see more dogs in restaurants to be honest

How many more children have to suffer such an appalling death ?
We need action on the level of the gun control taken after Dumblaine and the excusers can be ignored as the gun defenders were.
Sadly most of these incidents seem to take place in private homes, so a wide range of dogs needs to be eradicated over time . It has to be much more effective this time and loopholes closed. People are not allowed to have dangerous weapons for a good reason and dangerous dogs should be the same.
Perhaps in time we will look back in wonder that such brutes were allowed

@Brieandcamembert that is so upsetting. How can people be so stupid?

@IReallyCan

In my class of 22 children, six are in the process of rehoming their lockdown dogs.

What is the matter with people?

Them puppies shouldn't have been allowed to be bred in the first place. There should be a ban on breeding until all the rescue centres are empty and all them lovely dogs have a home. People going out spending thousands on a puppy when there are so many dogs sitting behind bars waiting for a family it's cruel and disgusting

Yep completely agree. Also thinking of all those poor dogs who got adopted then abandoned after lockdown.

Remember why Dog licences were done away with the responsible owners had them, the irresponsible didn't.

Although don't agree with importing dogs from other countries that is something that should be stopped.

I think just all dogs must be on leads when not on private property, and if your dog attacks someone on private or public property, on or off lead, you are banned from ever owning dogs again.

Some people can train their dogs, most can't. Most can't even feed their dogs right, so many are obese.

Especially with illegal breeds. If you buy an illegal breed you aren't going to bother with a licence or an exam. How is it going to be policed? Police aren't going to stop people walking their dogs asking for proof of ownership?

This is what I get confused about? Why would having a dog licence stop people breeding and selling/buying illegal dogs?

I am extremely wary of large dogs - there are always so many of them running around my local park, chasing each other, snapping at each other and the owners are just ambling along chatting to each other. They aren’t even looking at what their dogs are doing. But then why would they, I’m pretty sure “they’re big softies really who wouldn’t hurt a fly…..”

I have to pass through the park twice a day to take my son to/fro school and I keep him right by my side. I also have a younger son (aged 4) and I pick him up and carry him through the park. I don’t know why though, because if any of the dogs came for us, holding my children close wouldn’t have any protective factor because the dogs are probably a lot stronger than I am.

My friend has a dog, one who jumps up a lot, who is happy and excitable, and when he’s up on his back legs he is big enough to mean he’s the same height as my 8 year older. My son is terrified. My friend says that she will always shut the dog in the kitchen if me and my son go round. In a few occasions she has asked if my son can go over to play with her children, but I would never let my son go over there unless I was present too.

@Claudethecat

Also, adopting animals from abroad should be banned. There are enough animals here that need homes. Yes some rescues are too strict, but better to be too strict than too lax.

The problem is that when dog rescues are too strict to the point of nonsense (ie you can't have any children or other pets, need a big house and never go out unless you have the dog with you), then it just pushes people into buying puppies.

Maybe they need to have compulsory puppy classes for anyone with a new dog/puppy and a law that says that the need to be walked twice a day.

[quote MrsDThomas]@rrhuth and ensuring the breed is not a banned one.

I saw a video yesterday on Facebook of a bloke who trained his dogs (and they were big beasts like this presumed dog) and the trainer was a big muscular bloke, and the size of the dog beside him. I don’t see why you would need a dig like this, apart from to intimidate people.

What’s wrong with a lab, jack russel or a cockapoo![/quote]
Least he was training his dogs. So many labs are off lead, spot something and shoot off after it chasing it, owners calling it back (sometimes not bothering or even noticing) and then they lose their dog.

I actually saw a report done years ago that said it was labs that bit most people, just not with as much damage as other dogs. And even if they killed someone, doubt it would get much press or backlash. No one would blame the breed, they'd blame the owner.

How are you going to enforce all these licenses and exams and training classes?

At the moment, the dog training world is totally unregulated - any idiot can call themselves a dog trainer and they don't need any qualifications to do so.

A license also won't stop dogs from biting or being badly behaved or disruptive or unpleasant to be around.

We already have laws in place to stop dogs being out of control and to make owners pick up after them but in reality it's never enforced as it costs too much money.

@FreedomFaith

I think just all dogs must be on leads when not on private property, and if your dog attacks someone on private or public property, on or off lead, you are banned from ever owning dogs again.

Some people can train their dogs, most can't. Most can't even feed their dogs right, so many are obese.

If dogs are always on leads (as parks aren't private property), then they won't get the exercise they need or learn social skills which would make them far more likely to attack other people/dogs because they are guarding their human and frustrated due to the lack of exercise.

Yes! Definitely. Also think bringing dogs from abroad should be banned. Have always thought puppy classes or dog care classes should be mandatory. Trouble is people treating pets like people and not pets. Have just been on a bonkers thread where folk were saying my dog is my child. They are not children and shouldn’t be treated as such, they need to be well trained and kept on leads. Plus lockdown has brought us a lot of incompetent owners.

@Lockdownbear

Remember why Dog licences were done away with the responsible owners had them, the irresponsible didn't.

Although don't agree with importing dogs from other countries that is something that should be stopped.

This. We have council dog registration where I live. It's a money making exercise, nothing more. Only responsible dog owners register, and it's to hard to enforce.

I'd rather ban these ever extending dog leads that are impossible to see and act like a trip wire. I've nearly gone a cropper at the school gate with overexcited dogs zipping everywhere.

What's wrong with cockapoos? misses the point