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giraffes2021 · 09/11/2021 23:29

So me and DP been together 8 years 2 young children

I now work 3 days a week so he's main earner, not married, I pay nursery which is like £800 for 2 kids and my own bills such as car insurance fuel etc DP pays for mortgage etc.
Obviously he has a lot more disposable income than me, he's a bit more sensible than me always has money in the bank he's always been the higher earner. If I need money I ask etc and he'll give me money but it's just a crappy feeling always having to ask or say I need money for x y z or just not being in a position to be able to put a bit of cash aside. Obviously my income has dropped as I only do 3 days - isn't it just a shitty feeling as a woman or am I overthinking ?

OP posts:
Graphista · 11/11/2021 18:14

It isn't stupid. Women are not taught about the need to protect their finances in school, therefore it is down to the privilege of having parents who can teach this, or watching others suffer or learning from bitter experience.

Agree with this

@Merryoldgoat I was the same when I met ex I was clear that I would be married before having dc. Not for moral or religious reasons but having seen what that relative went through I wasn't taking risks! I didn't in the first conversation say I expected it to be with him! Just in general that these were my life plans.

I didn't plan on being a sahm either but towards the end of the marriage things got really complicated and the job I was doing (childminding) became untenable I do regret that and wish I had worked outside the home as an employee as I'd have been in a a much less vulnerable position when it did all go tits up.

Op I was with ex 3 years before marriage, had the big white wedding, dd came along almost 6 years later due to gynae issues of mine, things seemed to be going along ok...and then he met ow.

An affair was totally out of character for him to the point his parents put it down to a breakdown - regardless of his relationship with me his relationship with his own family hasn't really recovered! They feel like they don't know him any more.

But I'm 49 I've seen all sorts happen to families and couples over the years. Redundancy, illness and disability, accidents resulting in the main income business being sued out of existence, bereavement...

You never know what's around the corner.

@wineandroses1 Thank you

My background is different though. Financially abusive father, vulnerable mother. When ex and I were first married he was financially illiterate and quite spendy. One almighty row occurred but it cleared the air and we sat and agreed a plan and generally we stuck to that and it worked for us, from that point on.

Ex being army was a major factor in my getting married when I did, much easier to move with them when army organises and picks up the tab! But dad was army too so I was aware of potential pitfalls too. There were times when ex said to me I didn't need to work, his income was enough for us - which it was, but I never liked being dependent on another person particularly one to whom any number of fates could befall them. That particular issue hit ex hard when he lost a colleague while on deployment.

I thought we were doing ok and so childminding worked around dd (I'd been a nanny before) while bringing in a decent income

But I came a cropper when we split and he emptied the accounts.

It was much harder then to transfer funds and to change what accounts things like child benefit were paid into (I think that still takes an age to fix!) it takes time to set up a new account, arranger current income to go into that account, to apply for and receive benefits etc

I would advise that women (as they are generally the more vulnerable and have care of the dc) always have an account of their own (based on my own experience a completely different banking GROUP to the current account, I initially opened an account with the same GROUO but different bank which I hadn't realised, he ran up an overdraft on the joint account and legally the bank could and did take funds from my account to pay off his debt. It got sorted in the divorce but - lesson learnt!) into which they can have payments made and set up necessary dds from.

Wherever possible it's good to have savings in there too. That way there's money available in emergencies, not just partner sodding off with ow (although that is v common) but even if he dies in suspicious circumstances (happened to a friend of mums, the friend being under suspicion for a brief time and as such prevented from accessing joint funds) or even other issues like if the banks system goes tits up! (This is why I also have a credit card that is a completely different underwriter and bank to my usual account)

wineandroses1 · 11/11/2021 19:31

Graphista - really good advice.

I was lucky re advice from parents but also probably lucky with my relationship with husband - so no looting of the accounts. But your experience makes me realise it could so easily have happened to me.
☹️

PicsInRed · 11/11/2021 19:45

OP, this marriage ceremony won't be about romance, or even a nice dress or a simple meal with friends. This marriage isn't romance, it's the arresting of your own personal emergency.

A marriage license, two witnesses, and jeans and jumpers if that's all that's clean. Do as soon as humanly possible.

choli · 11/11/2021 21:37

Women are not taught about the need to protect their finances in school
Do you think OPs partner learned it in school or did he choose to educate himself?

PicsInRed · 12/11/2021 21:27

@choli

Women are not taught about the need to protect their finances in school Do you think OPs partner learned it in school or did he choose to educate himself?
Men are taught that putting themselves 1st is understandable, forgivable, sensible.

Women are taught precisely the opposite.

WTF475878237NC · 12/11/2021 23:07

Yes. To say that women in this predicament are stupid is ignoring the complex sociopolitical context of men having had control over finances for most of human history, and wealth being something to protect akin to honour; reflective of their status and self worth in a way that women are not typically raised to view it. The counter discourses on this just are not available to many women until they or someone they know fall foul to a bad man.

Graphista · 13/11/2021 00:03

Men are taught that putting themselves 1st is understandable, forgivable, sensible.

Women are taught precisely the opposite.

Exactly!

Yes. To say that women in this predicament are stupid is ignoring the complex sociopolitical context of men having had control over finances for most of human history, and wealth being something to protect akin to honour; reflective of their status and self worth in a way that women are not typically raised to view it. The counter discourses on this just are not available to many women until they or someone they know fall foul to a bad man

So true!

Inthewainscoting · 13/11/2021 00:31

OP in your position I would get together with your DP and make plans to elope - get your parents and kids down a registry office of your choice and get married. It's very romantic - like wartime weddings when a soldier came home on leave - without being a hassle or expensive.

If people mutter, talk vaguely about having a "proper reception" with more guests "some time suitable" - which you can do in your own sweet time if you really want it, or kick the can up the road if not.

I know a fair number of people who love each other but got married for very practical reasons and had no "proposal" as such, just a mutual decision. They all appear happily married still!

Ajl46 · 13/11/2021 07:49

@AtrociousCircumstance

If you’re a couple, with a child, you should have a joint account and share your pooled income.

He’s being a grasping selfish prick tbh.

I don't necessarily agree with this. My DH & I have a joint account & we pay in equal amounts which cover shared expenses ie mortgage, nursery fees, food, bills etc. But we don't pool all income and I wouldn't want to. I'd start analysing his expenditure and feel guilty about my own. Also we have different risk appetites when it comes to savings (he's happier to take more risk for a higher return than I am).
Ajl46 · 13/11/2021 07:53

[quote giraffes2021]@dustofneptune so say if I earnt £15k and they earnt £40k how would you split that up?? [/quote]
27% - 73% (Ie 15 and 40 as a percentage of 55).

MaskingForIt · 13/11/2021 09:29

@Animood

Everyone else has said it all.

Just wanted to express my rage that women are fucked over again and again.

Women are fucking themselves over due to their desperation to have babies with any man willing to shag them. If women had some standards and said no children until marriage, and bought properties in joint names they wouldn’t be getting fucked over.
Ajl46 · 13/11/2021 09:59

@giraffes2021

I didn't go on the mortgage due to stamp duty but I know that if I said I wanted to go on it he wouldn't have any issues we only did it in his name out of easiness. He would also have a deed and a will made up I guess it's something I need to get done ASAP and a will

Re marriage DP isn't keen on the whole wedding idea he said he'd be quite happy for me to just change my name haha or a registry office how romantic
Conversations need to happen

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Howshouldibehave · 13/11/2021 10:11

You are so vulnerable here! You have children with a man you’re not married to, you live in a house that’s solely his and he is paying the mortgage on, and you are shafting your career to go part time whilst single handedly paying all the childcare!

DH and I pooled finances as soon as we got a joint bank account just before buying our first house. He earns a lot more than me but I did lots of childcare.

giraffes2021 · 13/11/2021 15:51

@MaskingForIt hahaha wow aren't you just lovely!!

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choli · 13/11/2021 16:18

*Men are taught that putting themselves 1st is understandable, forgivable, sensible.

Women are taught precisely the opposite.*
I wasn't taught that. Perhaps some women choose to play Cinderella.

krankykittykat · 13/11/2021 16:50

I can never get my head round how a couple with children have separate finances. Me and oh take a set amount for ourselves each month for what we like and the rest is rent, hill and family money

gunnersgold · 13/11/2021 16:53

We just have a joint account but have been together since we were 20 and both earned the same amount . He is now a very high earner and I work part time but I have full access and sworn what I like from the joint account ! Amazing how many men and controlling with money !

MaskingForIt · 13/11/2021 19:25

[quote giraffes2021]@MaskingForIt hahaha wow aren't you just lovely!! [/quote]
You’re the one in this situation petal, not me.

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