AIBU to think a soap shop shouldn't be encouraging young girls to self harm?

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Lush Paddington are giving out binders, meaning girls can self harm without any danger of their parents knowing and being able to discuss potential issues with them.

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AIBU to think young girls shouldn't be groomed to hate their bodies?

Lush sells products that women are supposed to use on our bodies, but they keep showing an absolute disrespect towards those bodies. See: Making staff wear nothing but aprons in public, and a competition where costumers could kiss their upper bodies to collect lipstick marks. This is the worst case so far.

A fucking soap shop giving out binders to teenage girls...you couldn't make this shit up.

@FranceTeam

I wonder why it is that when men want to be female, it is fine for them to keep the penis, but for females wanting to be men, they need to bind their natural bodies.

Exactly, I completely agree with you. It's a really dangerous mysogynistic time we're living in now & we need to protect our young women.

✨another transphobic thread thinly veiled as concern, predictable and unexciting just like the people who incite this stuff✨

@Aperolsprizter

✨another transphobic thread thinly veiled as concern, predictable and unexciting just like the people who incite this stuff✨

No, it's actual, real concern

Hint: Sparkles doesn't make it true

Why the lack of concern for the damage binding does to growing bodies?

@Aperolsprizter

✨another transphobic thread thinly veiled as concern, predictable and unexciting just like the people who incite this stuff✨

Just because you stick sparkles on something it doesn’t change what it is

• Aperolsprizter

✨another transphobic thread thinly veiled as concern, predictable and unexciting just like the people who incite this stuff✨*

Are you suggesting that trans people need binders? You want them to be injured? That they can’t be considered real men if they have breasts? That is transphobic.

another transphobic thread thinly veiled as concern, predictable and unexciting just like the people who incite this stuff

It is exactly the opposite of transphobic to suggest that girls who are suffering from body dysmorphia to the extent that wish to permanently flatten their breasts should receive proper care from professional not equipment from a soap shop.

There is nothing in the world that doesn't have the potential to cause harm. Nothing.

Drinking too much water, exercising too much etc

Medicine like calpol that we give to babies still has potential fir side effects and harm.

So to pretend that nothing trans related can ever have negative outcomes is extremely transphobic. Because surely trans people are entitled to healthcare that's undergone the exact same scrutiny and are informed of the potential of side effects both good and bad as everyone else?

@Aperolsprizter

✨another transphobic thread thinly veiled as concern, predictable and unexciting just like the people who incite this stuff✨

This is a parenting site.

Of course we're concerned.

If the benefits of binders are supposed to outweigh the physical effects, they should be treated more like medical items and fitted, not collected from a bath bomb shop.

I looked at the terms and conditions. It says no refunds or exchanges so you must arrive with correct measurements.

Disclaimers
- We ask that you make sure you have your correct measurements as we can't do refunds/exchanges!
- Only one binder per person.
- Due to availability we will not always be able to provide your preferred style or colour of binder but we will have stock of all sizes available.

Think about that. M&S allow you to take back bras if you buy them and find they don't fit after all, and the consequence of wearing a badly fitting bra is surely less serious than wearing a poorly fitting binder. Does this "one binder per person" mean that even if you can afford to buy another one that fits, you won't be allowed to?

Children who identify as trans need and deserve proper physiological and medical support.
We do not support children with any other dysmorphic issues in this sloppy glitter and rainbows are all you need way.
We shouldn't accept it for this group of vulnerable teens either.
Soap manufacturers should stick to soap distribution and not physically damaging body modification equipment.

I’ve been investigating the resources supplied by an educational business that provides support to local schools. One of their publications said that binding can make you more comfortable.

I really don’t have words to express this shit. It may be that having such a strong feeling of apoplectic rage means I identify as a Fury, which I’m pretty sure entitles me to vengeance.

Do any of you know any trans men? Because I do. Binding is often the only way to 'pass' as a man whilst waiting for gender assessment/gender reassignment surgery. I don't expect the majority of you to have even a tiny inkling of what a trans person goes through on a daily basis. Fortunately I know a few and have supported them through their transition. LUSH isn't promoting self harm, it's giving young people (not sure why people keep referring to children) a way to feel more comfortable and confident when out in public and at home in their chosen gender.

Are you suggesting that trans people need binders? You want them to be injured? That they can’t be considered real men if they have breasts? That is transphobic

As for ^ this ridiculous comment, trans men do NOT want breasts. They bind so they can wear T-shirt's and tops and pass better as men. They have to prove to the GIC that they're living full time as a man for X amount of time before they can even be put on the transition pathway. After adhering to the transition process for X amount of time they are finally given top surgery to have their breasts removed, so they can live more freely as a man and go shirtless on the beach/go swimming. So yes, of course they bind! Some of you have a very narrow minded world view.

@Aperolsprizter

✨another transphobic thread thinly veiled as concern, predictable and unexciting just like the people who incite this stuff✨

As you will have seen when you read the thread, my concern is that Lush are being transphobic by suggesting that trans ppl's bodies are wrong and need changing.

Are we not allowed to discuss things we think are transphobic?

It is exactly the opposite of transphobic to suggest that girls who are suffering from body dysmorphia to the extent that wish to permanently flatten their breasts should receive proper care from professional not equipment from a soap shop.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to access that care? How long waiting lists are to be assessed by a gender clinic? Is it any wonder young trans men and women take things into their own hands?

@KurtWilde

Do any of you know any trans men? Because I do. Binding is often the only way to 'pass' as a man whilst waiting for gender assessment/gender reassignment surgery. I don't expect the majority of you to have even a tiny inkling of what a trans person goes through on a daily basis. Fortunately I know a few and have supported them through their transition. LUSH isn't promoting self harm, it's giving young people (not sure why people keep referring to children) a way to feel more comfortable and confident when out in public and at home in their chosen gender.

Are you suggesting that trans people need binders? You want them to be injured? That they can’t be considered real men if they have breasts? That is transphobic

As for ^ this ridiculous comment, trans men do NOT want breasts. They bind so they can wear T-shirt's and tops and pass better as men. They have to prove to the GIC that they're living full time as a man for X amount of time before they can even be put on the transition pathway. After adhering to the transition process for X amount of time they are finally given top surgery to have their breasts removed, so they can live more freely as a man and go shirtless on the beach/go swimming. So yes, of course they bind! Some of you have a very narrow minded world view.

Except this isn't being marketed at trans men.

It's deliberately and cynically targeting young girls who think gender identity is trendy.

Insulting to trans people and dangerous for girls.

And it's a fucking soap shop

Do you have any idea how long it takes to access that care? How long waiting lists are to be assessed by a gender clinic? Is it any wonder young trans men and women take things into their own hands?
Sure, so let's just go ahead and encourage people with NO FUCKING TRAINING to give these vulnerable people things that will damage their bodies permanently without proper assessment and care? What a hideous thought.

Do you have any idea how long it takes to access that care? How long waiting lists are to be assessed by a gender clinic? Is it any wonder young trans men and women take things into their own hands?

Yeah, no in that case, why not let Saturday girls in topshop give out puberty blockers? It's bound to be quicker than seeing any kind of psychological or medical professional.

My ASD daughter with severe asthma who went through a phase of hunching as her body developed. She just got past it in the the last month or so. Developing very distinct curves very quickly was hard for her. Messages telling her that she could have compressed her chest could have caused her real harm. Not only might she have not gotten passed the hunching phase and come to accept herself, she could have risked her already compromised breathing if she got ahold of a binder without us finding out. There are tons of girls like her out there.

KurtWilde

So you think transmen owe the world masculinity?

What do you think about these binders being sold to female teenagers who identify as non-binary?

The need for this care woyod he significantly less if as much time and energy was placed into funding it and actually allowing research into everything instead of blocking everything every step of the way and choosing to bully workplaces into pronouns amd confuse school children witg inaccurate biological information when the facility to deal with all the extra patients has yet to be set up.

I remember my own massive discomfort with my growing body and how it was sexualised, I went through puberty early. So glad places like Lush weren't giving out binders then. But now they are and it will hurt, not help, a lot of girl's bodies.

What do you think about these binders being sold to female teenagers who identify as non-binary?

Yes, it's a bit 'male as default' isn't it?