To despise being called ‘cis’?

[Ostryga]

I’m not ‘cis’. I’m not ‘cisgendered’. I’m literally a woman. I’ve just read a guardian article that calls women seeking IVF cisgendered.

Why????

It also doesn't help that cis also sounds rather like cyst. It's just a horrible term.

Rather than the chemistry usage, it always makes me think always of the much longer use of the Latin -cis/cise meaning “cut” - eg in circumcise, incisor, scissors, incision.

So it’s always kind of redolent of cutting, surgery and cut-off foreskins in my mental entomological-dictionary-space. Which is… strangely apposite but a bit viscerally revolting.

@Itsanewdah

I despise having people tell me that I have no right to exist and that my identity is not valid (often in very aggressive tones). I also despise being told that gender is only biology (mumsnet is literally the proof that there is a ton more to it than that). If you are assigned female at birth and see yourself as a woman, you ARE a woman, more specifically a cis woman. That is the definition. I am assigned female at birth but do NOT see myself as a woman. I’m not a woman of any description, i’m nonbinary. A good friend was assigned male at birth, sees herself as a woman. She is a woman, more specifically a trans woman.

You must have a very regressive idea of what women are, beyond biology.

Your friend is not a woman. They are male.

“Cutgender”

I’m a woman. A female. End of story.A man cannot decide to be a woman. He can dress as one. Grow his hair. Have surgery. Take hormones. He will still be a man.

This exactly.

That's what I don't understand about the term transphobic. I'm not phobic of people who are trans. I sympathise with them. Because it's not scientifically possible to change sex.

Anyone calling me CIS can fuck right off.

I despise having people tell me that I have no right to exist and that my identity is not valid (often in very aggressive tones).

I highly doubt anyone's ever actually told you that you didn't exist while you were standing right in front of them. Telling you that your perception of yourself is a fantasy rather than a fact isn't even close to the same thing as telling you your existence is invalid.

@Helloise

Seriously, just leave the shrieking void.

They aren’t interested in anyone’s opinion but their own.

Don’t agree with me? You’re not a feminist. You’re so oppressed you don’t even realise it. You’re thick. You don’t know your own mind.

They tie themselves up in semantic knots and at any hint of a reasoned debate they pile on.

I really enjoyed your input. It was fascinating.

Seriously, just leave the shrieking void.

They aren’t interested in anyone’s opinion but their own.

Are you interested in views that don’t match your own? Or just using typical slurs.

It is possible to just say no to ‘cis’.

Ah! The cavalry has arrived 😆

[quote thatonehasalittlecar]@Helloise

Seriously, just leave the shrieking void.

They aren’t interested in anyone’s opinion but their own.

Don’t agree with me? You’re not a feminist. You’re so oppressed you don’t even realise it. You’re thick. You don’t know your own mind.

They tie themselves up in semantic knots and at any hint of a reasoned debate they pile on.

I really enjoyed your input. It was fascinating.[/quote]
''Shrieking void''. You should try Twitter some time.

Do you know how hard school was for me, to have other girls tell me I wasn't one of them because I wasn't....'''feminine''? I'm every bit as female as they are and I'm not going back to justifying to people why I consider myself as much female as they are. Why do you want me to do that?

Why would you insist I accept the term ''cis'' when it presupposes I agree that all women are feminine or of one mind by definition?

It was fascinating

It certainly was fascinating…I’ll give you that

@SpudleyLass

Could not give a fuck about your schoolyard trauma. You were bullied. That sucks. Bullying other people won’t make you feel better, it’ll just make them feel worse.

Literally nobody said any of those things, thatonehasalittlecar. It's very characteristic of gender ideologists to misrepresent other people's statements like this, then leave, all the while claiming other people have said things they patently haven't said, along with saying they haven't been engaged with and it's all an echo chamber.

My elderly MIL does the same thing. She slides off what people actually say into what she makes up in her head they have said. You just get into circular discussions where you can't even get her to acknowledge what was actually said, so you never get anywhere.

It's a frigging pain when it's just about whether MIL has been taking her medication or where to go for a day out; but here, when the written evidence of the thread is right in front of us proving that nothing was remotely said of this kind, it looks less an argumentative technique and more like a repeated tendency towards mild delusionality.

It really isn't us who get tied up in semantic knots.

Could not give a fuck about your schoolyard trauma

Oh goodness

I noticed the Times covered the issue about the lesbians IVF case.
They managed to do so perfectly clearly with no need for the 'Cis' qualifier.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lesbians-forced-to-pay-for-ivf-claim-they-are-victims-of-gay-fertility-tax-9c9dv0zdg?shareToken=74af26de84b035d9eef33a08c21943cf

[quote thatonehasalittlecar]@SpudleyLass

Could not give a fuck about your schoolyard trauma. You were bullied. That sucks. Bullying other people won’t make you feel better, it’ll just make them feel worse.[/quote]
Perhaps you should tell that to some of the people trying to force the term cis on women who don't want it. It's bullying.

[quote thatonehasalittlecar]@SpudleyLass

Could not give a fuck about your schoolyard trauma. You were bullied. That sucks. Bullying other people won’t make you feel better, it’ll just make them feel worse.[/quote]
Sorry, what? Where has SpudleyLass done any bullying?

God, the mask slips repeatedly on these threads, doesn't it.

"Not very bright"? Yeah, that's me

It's really quite something to accuse others of misrepresenting you views, then misrepresent their views and then call it "paraphrasing"... aka what other people call "making stuff up".

Why would I do that? I’m not the standard bearer for the term cis.

You do seem a little lacking in comprehensive skills. Maybe it’s just intransigence leading to poor understanding. Don’t know, don’t care.

Came here to speak to @Helloise, not the baying mob.

It's nice to see all those reasoned debaters who every time resort to tone policing, accusing others of saying things they haven't said, and then ultimately swearing and calling people bullies for no reason. This really sets the standard for rational, logical debate from the pro-gender side.

I'd even call it "shrill" if I believed in all of those pesky innate traits that get so often ascribed to women. Thankfully, I don't.

[quote thatonehasalittlecar]@SpudleyLass

Could not give a fuck about your schoolyard trauma. You were bullied. That sucks. Bullying other people won’t make you feel better, it’ll just make them feel worse.[/quote]
Is it acceptable if I say this to a transwoman?

If not, why not?

@thatonehasalittlecar

I was paraphrasing.

Are you not very bright?

Oh, it broke 😢

Could not give a fuck about your schoolyard trauma

Gender ideology in a nutshell. Extends to other trauma too. Rape survivors self excluding from formerly single sex services? Could not give a fuck. Women being pushed out of sporting opportunity and/or being put at an outrageously heightened risk of injury due to males being included in female sporting events? Could not give a fuck. I could give so many more examples.

But we're expected to 'be kind' while being reclassified against our objections? Fuck that. No.

Cis, chest feeding, people with a cervix, people with vaginas, people who menstruate. The word for all is WOMAN, FEMALE, GIRL