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To think Dumbledore was a massive cheater?

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Slytherine · 07/11/2021 17:44

Just finished watching the first Harry Potter film on TV and forgot about the injustice for the Slytherins at the end. I have changed my name in solidarity.

So the Slytherins get the most House Points (presumably fairly as most of the professors at Hogwarts could barely hide their disdain for Slytherin House so wouldn’t have been dishing out points to them for no reason) and are sat there enjoying their win of the House Cup, and celebrating with the room decorated in their House colours, and then former Gryffindor Dumbledore just decides (even though the school year was officially over!!) to throw out an unreasonable amount of points to Harry, Hermione and Ron drawing them level with Slytherin, and then a further 10 points to Neville pushing Gryffindor over the edge and into the win. And then, just to rub salt into the wound, publicly humiliated them by casting a spell to replace all the Slytherin colours with the Gryffindor colours and gives them the award instead and they all celebrate, including him and most of the teachers, and Slytherin has to sit there and just accept it??

AIBU to think WTAF and that was very unfair and he was biased by doing this and it’s no wonder the Slytherins were openly hostile and dismissive of him after that!? I’d be fuming if I were a Slytherin student and if I were a parent of a Slytherin student I’d be marching up to the school myself and having a word with the head.

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SickAndTiredAgain · 10/11/2021 08:46

@WheelieBinPrincess

Whenever I have a mince pie I think of Ginny in that awful ‘open up, you’ scene where Harry is there at Christmas and Ginny very woodenly tried to be flirty by shoving a mince pie in Harry’s mouth 😂
And the bit where she ties his shoelaces! Why???
SickAndTiredAgain · 10/11/2021 08:49

Although to be fair to the Ginny actress, the way Ginny was written in the films was dire. I guess they didn’t have time to maybe show more of her that we see in the books, but still, she’s useless in the films.

Practicebeingpatient · 10/11/2021 15:13

@grannymrssmith

Who thinks Rita Skeeter could write for the daily fail
I don’t know if any of you remember Lynda Lee-Potter who used to be a columnist at the DM. She wrote like Rita Skeeter but a more spiteful and salacious version!
IndominusRex · 10/11/2021 15:33

This made me think of this thread
www.facebook.com/102919582161874/posts/124223593364806/?d=n

FeedMeSantiago · 10/11/2021 19:53

Book Ginny was much better than film Ginny, she had more personality. I liked the scene in OOTP where she berated Harry for forgetting she had been possessed by Voldemort and could tell him what it felt like.

I still wish Harry had ended up with Luna though. On the plus side I like their strong platonic friendship. On the other hand, in marrying Ginny Harry has basically married someone who looks like his dead mother. It also felt a bit contrived to make him formally one of the Weasleys.

The most unforgivable things were his children's names - James Sirius, Lily Luna and Albus Severus. Poor Ginny lost her brother, but Fred's name doesn't feature in the four names chosen for their two sons, it's all about Harry and his parents, and his godfather, and his headmaster and his potions teacher.

Kanaloa · 10/11/2021 19:56

it's all about Harry and his parents, and his godfather, and his headmaster and his potions teacher.

😂

They are awful ridiculous names and it’s so mawkish. Loving that Harry ran out of dead family and started choosing teachers while Ginny comes from a big family with (presumably) lots of family names they could use. And then for their only daughter they don’t bother optioning family middle names or just names they like but choose the only girl we really know of in Ginny’s year at school. I’m surprised they didn’t have another son called Neville Dudley because they’d run out of names.

Kanaloa · 10/11/2021 19:57

Although I think they do have a nephew named Fred for his middle name which might explain why they didn’t use that.

Kanaloa · 10/11/2021 19:57

For his first name even!

potoforchids · 10/11/2021 20:02

@FeedMeSantiago

Book Ginny was much better than film Ginny, she had more personality. I liked the scene in OOTP where she berated Harry for forgetting she had been possessed by Voldemort and could tell him what it felt like.

I still wish Harry had ended up with Luna though. On the plus side I like their strong platonic friendship. On the other hand, in marrying Ginny Harry has basically married someone who looks like his dead mother. It also felt a bit contrived to make him formally one of the Weasleys.

The most unforgivable things were his children's names - James Sirius, Lily Luna and Albus Severus. Poor Ginny lost her brother, but Fred's name doesn't feature in the four names chosen for their two sons, it's all about Harry and his parents, and his godfather, and his headmaster and his potions teacher.

I read somewhere online - people always liken Ginny to Lily because they both have red hair, but Ginny is actually much more like Harry's father. They both love quidditch and play chaser, they're both extremely popular, confident, can be quite cutting, like a practical joke, etc.
TractorAndHeadphones · 10/11/2021 21:03

@potoforchids yep. It's Hermione who's more like Lily actually, the 'good girl'. Lilly was popular too but more well known for being principled rather than vivacious.

Also agree that film Ginny was terrible. She just didn't have the flair.

AccidentallyOnPurpose · 10/11/2021 21:19

Film Ginny is she exists..she's there..she exists..she's there ... oh crap! She's supposed to be Harry's love interest!

potoforchids · 10/11/2021 21:37

I follow Bonnie Wright on Instagram and find her to be an interesting, seemingly fun, confident person. If she'd had better lines/direction I reckon she could have been a great Ginny!

Mookie81 · 11/11/2021 00:05

@SickAndTiredAgain

I actually think Rupert Grint was the worst of the children. Just so over the top with the faces!

No one does overacting like Emma Watson, especially in the first few films.

'It's levi-O-sar, not levio-SAR!' Grin
CurzonDax · 11/11/2021 08:00

Other than Ron, and to some extent Fred and George, none of the Weasleys were done well in the films.
Ginny - everything previous posters have said.
Percy - would have been nice to have had mention of the conflict he had with his family (even in the books, it was only mentioned when Ron told Harry about it, as Harry hadn't witnessed it, so could easily have been done). Would have made him returning to his family, just before he witnessed Fred's death right at the end, so much more impactful.
Bill - the scene where he introduces himself to Harry, at the Dursleys, at the start of Deathly Hallows Pt1 is just so awkward. In the books, Harry already had a pretty decent relationship with him by that point.
Charlie - well, that's it actually. He doesn't even exist in the films (which annoyed me, as in my younger days, I fancied book-Charlie - he is the Weasley that I would have wanted to be friends with).

The names that Harry and Ginny called their children has always annoyed me. It always seems like Harry's needs and wants are the priority in the relationship, and Ginny has no say in any major decision. She never comes across as being his equal - he's the superstar, and she's the fangirl who just admires and adores him. She did have her moments of standing up to him in the books (a PP mentioned above the scene on OoTP where she reminds him about being possessed). However, these just seem to be attempts by Rowling to make Ginny appear to be Harry's equal, and therefore worthy of him. However, all the big decisions, Harry made. He decided when their relationship would start, and then take a break (he never trusted her with his mission. Yes, he was trying to orotect her, but he also treated her as a damsel in distress, and little woman who couldn't be trusted with all the big stuff); he named their children, etc.

IndominusRex · 11/11/2021 08:48

There’s a throwaway line in DH when Percy arrives through the portrait hole Mrs Weasley pushes Fred aside to run to Percy. 😭

Kanaloa · 11/11/2021 11:45

@IndominusRex

There’s a throwaway line in DH when Percy arrives through the portrait hole Mrs Weasley pushes Fred aside to run to Percy. 😭
I know everyone loves Mrs W but she was a toxic mum. Every one of those kids is going to need therapy to deal with their childhood. How she ignores Ron, constantly on at Bill about his hair, the twins get literally forgotten (everyone’s been a prefect). The father’s useless as well.
CaptainCallisto · 11/11/2021 15:54

The thing that always gets me is Hagrid saying "There wasn't a witch or wizard went bad that wasn't in Slytherin" when they're all supposed to believe Sirius was Voldemort's right-hand-man. Yes, Sirius' whole family had been in Slytherin, but he was a Gryffindor!

CSJobseeker · 11/11/2021 16:05

@CaptainCallisto

The thing that always gets me is Hagrid saying "There wasn't a witch or wizard went bad that wasn't in Slytherin" when they're all supposed to believe Sirius was Voldemort's right-hand-man. Yes, Sirius' whole family had been in Slytherin, but he was a Gryffindor!
This is very true.
Dropcloth · 11/11/2021 16:05

@CaptainCallisto

The thing that always gets me is Hagrid saying "There wasn't a witch or wizard went bad that wasn't in Slytherin" when they're all supposed to believe Sirius was Voldemort's right-hand-man. Yes, Sirius' whole family had been in Slytherin, but he was a Gryffindor!
Fair point, actually. Maybe there was an entire run of dark ex-Hufflepuff wizards that has been conveniently forgotten about because it wrecks the Hufflepuff image of cosy, devoted, not-very-interesting service.

Are we actually to imagine all UK Death Eaters are ex-Slytherins, and that they gad about at Death Eater rallies in their old Slytherin ties arfing about japes at school?

It sometimes occurs to me that there's a shade of Jacob Rees-Mogg in Jason Isaac's performance as Lucius Malfoy. Maybe if Lucius ever need to canvass for something (admittedly seems unlikely in the magical world), he'd bring a house elf with him instead of his old nanny. Grin

DrSbaitso · 11/11/2021 16:16

@CaptainCallisto

The thing that always gets me is Hagrid saying "There wasn't a witch or wizard went bad that wasn't in Slytherin" when they're all supposed to believe Sirius was Voldemort's right-hand-man. Yes, Sirius' whole family had been in Slytherin, but he was a Gryffindor!
Maybe that was the point though, since by the end, we learn that not all Slytherins are truly bad.
tallduckandhandsome · 11/11/2021 16:44

@CaptainCallisto

The thing that always gets me is Hagrid saying "There wasn't a witch or wizard went bad that wasn't in Slytherin" when they're all supposed to believe Sirius was Voldemort's right-hand-man. Yes, Sirius' whole family had been in Slytherin, but he was a Gryffindor!
It shows even good people can show prejudice.
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/11/2021 18:46

Re Snape / Alan Rickman, I'm sure I read somewhere that it had to be him because when JKR wrote the books it was him she was thinking of when describing Snape's voice.

DdraigGoch · 12/11/2021 01:02

@CaptainCallisto

The thing that always gets me is Hagrid saying "There wasn't a witch or wizard went bad that wasn't in Slytherin" when they're all supposed to believe Sirius was Voldemort's right-hand-man. Yes, Sirius' whole family had been in Slytherin, but he was a Gryffindor!
Black's alleged killing of Pettigrew and a bunch of muggles would have been in the news briefly before being overshadowed by the ongoing arrests and trials of the likes of the Lestranges and Barty Crouch Jr. So it wouldn't be surprising for Hagrid to forget that Sirius was supposed to be Voldemort's right hand man and that he was the same Sirius he knew as a Gryffindor.
Kanaloa · 12/11/2021 01:21

I thought the whole idea of the houses wasn’t that well executed - we’re told in the beginning that certain traits belong to certain houses but then it isn’t actually backed up at all. For example shouldn’t Percy Weasley be in Slytherin? Ambition is his only character trait and he literally does everything he can to get ahead.

DrSbaitso · 12/11/2021 06:55

@Kanaloa

I thought the whole idea of the houses wasn’t that well executed - we’re told in the beginning that certain traits belong to certain houses but then it isn’t actually backed up at all. For example shouldn’t Percy Weasley be in Slytherin? Ambition is his only character trait and he literally does everything he can to get ahead.
He has the bravery to admit when he's wrong and swallow his pride, and risk himself.
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