To think Dumbledore was a massive cheater?

[Slytherine]

Just finished watching the first Harry Potter film on TV and forgot about the injustice for the Slytherins at the end. I have changed my name in solidarity.

So the Slytherins get the most House Points (presumably fairly as most of the professors at Hogwarts could barely hide their disdain for Slytherin House so wouldn’t have been dishing out points to them for no reason) and are sat there enjoying their win of the House Cup, and celebrating with the room decorated in their House colours, and then former Gryffindor Dumbledore just decides (even though the school year was officially over!!) to throw out an unreasonable amount of points to Harry, Hermione and Ron drawing them level with Slytherin, and then a further 10 points to Neville pushing Gryffindor over the edge and into the win. And then, just to rub salt into the wound, publicly humiliated them by casting a spell to replace all the Slytherin colours with the Gryffindor colours and gives them the award instead and they all celebrate, including him and most of the teachers, and Slytherin has to sit there and just accept it??

AIBU to think WTAF and that was very unfair and he was biased by doing this and it’s no wonder the Slytherins were openly hostile and dismissive of him after that!? I’d be fuming if I were a Slytherin student and if I were a parent of a Slytherin student I’d be marching up to the school myself and having a word with the head.

WHAT!? So they gave us Daniel AAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH Radcliffe, moustache Lupin, old man Sirius and can’t be arsed to learn anything about my character Gambon but deprived us of Hugh Grant’s Lockheart AND Rik Mayall’s Peeves???!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤯🤯😡😡
Only Snape, Hagrid, Arthur, McGonagal, Flitwick and Sprout were well cast. I LOVE the stories about Alan Rickman asking JK loads of questions before film 1 and her telling him Snape’s story arc and him refusing to even tell the directors.

To be fair, from the link that was posted up thread, Hugh Grant accepted the role of Lockhart but then couldn’t make it work due to scheduling. He presumably chose to do whatever the other thing was that caused the scheduling clash. Or contractually had to. So I don’t think that’s the Harry Potter producers’ fault.

@IndominusRex

WHAT!? So they gave us Daniel AAAAAARRRRGGGHHHH Radcliffe, moustache Lupin, old man Sirius and can’t be arsed to learn anything about my character Gambon but deprived us of Hugh Grant’s Lockheart AND Rik Mayall’s Peeves???!!!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤯🤯😡😡 Only Snape, Hagrid, Arthur, McGonagal, Flitwick and Sprout were well cast. I LOVE the stories about Alan Rickman asking JK loads of questions before film 1 and her telling him Snape’s story arc and him refusing to even tell the directors.

Imelda Staunton, Dawn French and John Cleese were great too.

All the adult cast were great except for Harris/Gambon. The child cast, less so. Emma Watson is a terrible actress and Radcliffe isn't that great either.

Yes I forgot those three. Imelda Staunton wasn’t at all how I imagined Umbridge when I read the book but she played it brilliantly!
Oh and also Tom Felton was great. He and Matthew Lewis are the only decent children cast.
Annoying things from the books the mirror has to be the worst. But it was symbolic of Harry’s stubbornness that he forgot about it. Someone earlier mentioned them not talking to Dumbledores portrait, I imagine Snape did regularly as headmaster. And Harry did ask Phineus Nigellus to bring him Dumbledore but he couldn’t. I was also confused about why the sword had to be put in the lake though.

@PolkadotsAndMoonbeams

It had a knock-on effect on even more as well — Tonks was only supposed to be 23/24 when she and Lupin got married. Which would have seemed a bit funny with a late-forties David Thewlis.

She's actually closer in age to Harry than she is to a lot of the 'adult' characters (she's younger than Bill and I think Charlie too), which comes across far more in the books than in the films.

Oh why did you have to mention Tonks? I'm still pissed off she's such a non character in the films.

I actually think Rupert Grint was the worst of the children. Just so over the top with the faces! Like it’s a close up, you don’t need to be so theatrical. And it’s such a striking contrast with Daniel Radcliffe’s utter lack of any facial expression that it makes normal scenes ridiculously comical.

Speaking of the child actors I did recently see Alfred Enoch in R&J and found myself mildly put out that he isn’t 11 years old still 😂

It’s like hearing Rupert Grint had a baby - you suddenly realise they’re old which means (whispering) I’m old!

I actually think Rupert Grint was the worst of the children. Just so over the top with the faces!

No one does overacting like Emma Watson, especially in the first few films.

It was just his face, he had a particular face he did that annoyed me every time I saw it. It was just so over the top dramatic/comical and it didn’t fit in the scene. I can picture it right now.

@SickAndTiredAgain

I actually think Rupert Grint was the worst of the children. Just so over the top with the faces!

No one does overacting like Emma Watson, especially in the first few films.

Yes, I think it was her over-enunciated diction. I mean, poor kid, she was only young, and I bet she dies inside when she sees it as an adult, but I can’t see how they cast someone so non-naturalistic.

She was incapable of saying ‘We’ll be late for History of Magic’ without it sounding like one of those acting exercises where you have to say the same line over and over with different inflexions.

There’s a bit at the end of Goblet of Fire when Beauxbatons and Durmstrang have just left and Harry, Ron and Hermione are together and R snd H are being joky about ever having a quiet term, and Hermione hangs back from the cheer and says ‘Everything’s going to be different now, isn’t it?’ And she’s clearly been rehearsed and coached that this is an important line (Voldemort’s back! It’s bad!), and it comes out in the weirdest, stagey way.

I don’t blame Emma Watson, who was a kid doing her best, but it does make me wonder how it was she was the best they could find when casting, and why the huge resources the production would have had at their disposal couldn’t have coached her into being a bit more natural.

I actually don’t think baby Rupert Grint is bad — he’s a bit cartoony, but Ron often is, and at least he can say’I reckon you’re stuffed, mate’ without it sounding like he’s learned his lines phonetically without knowing what they mean.

They changed the ages because JKR insisted that nobody but Alan Rickman could play Snape (and he was perfect to be fair!), and Sirius and Remus had to be the same age. It does lose a lot of the impact though - half of what was so tragic about the whole thing was that this group of very young adults had their lives either taken or destroyed.

Sirius should still have been fit as though! And David Thewlis is just awful on every level.

What’s all this David Thewlis hate! I thought he was quite good..

Only Snape, Hagrid, Arthur, McGonagal, Flitwick and Sprout were well cast.

I thought Helena Bonham Carter was a great Bellatrix. The right level of madness I think.

Yes HBC was great!!
I fancied book Lupin. I did not fancy Thewlis.

HBC was the perfect bellatrix. I love the films and books and love pulling them apart even more

What happened to Colin Creevey and why was he made into a fairly big character just to disappear later on? After he was petrified, was he mentioned again?

@Doobydooo

What happened to Colin Creevey and why was he made into a fairly big character just to disappear later on? After he was petrified, was he mentioned again?

He sort of pops up every now and then briefly then his younger brother also comes to hogwarts then he dies in the battle of hogwarts. Weirdly when I read it I imagined he was only 12 or so and wondered why he’d been allowed to stay but he is only a year younger than Harry so would have been about 16/17.

Colin dies I mean not the little brother.

And I think the reason he was made into a big character was because of the camera and being petrified, so they could then have the reveal about all the different ways people had seen the basilisk but not met it’s eyes. She had to have a character bobbing about with a character who was important enough that the gang would care he’d been petrified but not so important it would really affect the story massively.

@SickAndTiredAgain

What’s all this David Thewlis hate! I thought he was quite good..

He just came across as very weak to me in the films… but not the books

Colin snuck into Hogwarts... he hadn't been allowed back as a muggle born.

Colin was in dumbledores army so got an enchanted galleon like the rest. Luna and neville had been putting messages on them and on the night of the final battle put one on and that's why Colin came back.

I think the worst of the child actors is the girl playing Ginny. Completely dead flat delivery of every line.

@Waahingwashingwashing

If Harry was a horcrux - the one that Voldemort never meant to make - could the Dursley’s have been horrible because they were living with a horcrux? Look at what it did to Ron having the thing around his neck

@StartupRepair

I think the worst of the child actors is the girl playing Ginny. Completely dead flat delivery of every line.

She was awful, but the character was written badly in the films. Nothing but Harry's love interest, for no reason. They tried to create sexual chemistry with that dress-zipping scene but it didn't work. I've had sexier pension advice sessions.

I actually thought Luna made a better love interest for Harry in the film. They actually had a fair few conversations at least.