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AIBU to find it utterly astounding that it's socially acceptable in England for pet cats to poop in other people's gardens??!

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DrawsSword · 07/11/2021 11:49

I honestly cannot get my head round this. We've moved into a new house and the garden is full of cat shit. Not a single cat owner I know has a little tray for their cat to use. Where do cat owners think their cats poop? Do you honestly not care that it's in other peoples gardens?
My dh is from in a country where this is not socially acceptable and cat owners have litter trays and the cats bloody use them.

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paloma2 · 08/11/2021 17:15

‘Cat-proofing’ a garden is easier said than done. We tried many things to keep one of our cats in the garden (not because of neighbours complaining, but because he kept going too near a main road). This was the process -

  1. We bought some devices that are sensitive to movement and emit a beep when a cat (or fox) pass by within so many metres. Set it up properly at the various points the cats tended to go over the walls. Next morning, there was the cat sitting next to one of them (looking mildly annoyed, but still). It didn’t affect the foxes either.

  2. Rubber spikes on top of the wall. Cats just walked over them. Useless.

  3. Read about a method of putting chicken wire fences balanced on top of the wall that are slightly wobbly. Logic being that cats will not climb unstable structures. Spoke to the neighbours but they thought this would be an eyesore. Fair enough. Same for the idea of hanging wire fences on top of the wall leaning inwards (cats will not climb upside down). Neighbours did not want this visible either and also it means that if foxes or other animals happen to jump into your garden, they are trapped and can’t get out. Also, you would have to chop down the trees next to the walls or there’s no point.

  4. Made enquiries about sodden rollers you can have installed in your side of the wall so that when the cat jumps up, it will roll back. However, this would also trap other cats and foxes who could jump into you garden, but not get out. Also same issue with there’s and we had a tree under a TPO which we couldn’t remove.

  5. The only thing that worked was a sonic wire. It goes around the garden and if the cat wears a special collar (not very comfortable/looking unfortunately), he gets a beep if he goes within say 30cm of the site and a kind of static shock if he proceeds. It’s not an electric fence - I should make this clear! It’s like a static shock you get off a car door. I’ve tried it myself. However, this wire sill not work if you have hedges - only fences or garden walls.

So containing a cat in a garden is not easy and impossible in gardens with many trees round the borders or hedges.

So, in our house we have 4 cats. One is on the collar system (described above) because he is a rare breed of cat with not much street sense and he was going into the road every time he went out. It was like Russian roulette. I agonised over containing him in the garden, but it’s a good size and it’s better than being run over.

Another cat is a particularly dopey Persian who hardly goes out unless absolutely essential. I’ve not seen him scale the garden wall in years.

Then we have another cat who does go over the walls. He is in a tracker collar so I can see his movements on my phone. But he does not find his way to the road and never has. He tends to stay in the neighbours back gardens, but mainly the edge of a woodland that is to the back of us. Who knows where he poos? Should zip be stalking him through the undergrowth? He brings home the odd grass snake (alive usually - what a gift)!

Then the fifth cat goes on a long walk every day. Pretty much the same walk. He is also on a tracker collar. He walks to an area of the woods and sits there, Then he goes all along the back fences and back home.

We keep them all in at night (after dark). Never had any complaints.

paloma2 · 08/11/2021 17:17

wooden rollers - not sodden!

Lifewith · 08/11/2021 18:41

@onlychildhamster

I actually don't think its a good idea for cats to be let out unless you live in the countryside and are far from any roads. But thats not the case for most homes in the UK. I live in London and cats are always getting run over. I am no big cat lover, but its really sad seeing the remains of pet cats on the road. Half the posts on our neighbourhood facebook group are about missing cats. If they were wild animals, it would be just life but as pet cats have owners (and now legally have to be microchipped), the owner should do everything in his/her power to protect the cat from danger and that is impossible to do if the cat is wandering the streets alone. Cat owners should provide adequate enrichment indoors/build a catio in their back garden.
That is cruel to keep them indoors all the time if they are an outdoor cat
gogohm · 08/11/2021 18:47

Dcat has a litter tray she won't use. She buries her waste usually (where the new bulbs are/were)

Lady08 · 08/11/2021 19:18

@onlychildhamster
Cat proofing wouldn’t work in my garden, we have too many bushes and next door has a tree which drapes over our garden, the shed is also higher than the fence in one corner so our cats would be able to use the shed roof to jump over the cat proofing. I did consider this when we first moved into our house. I would also have to consult our neighbours too because the left hand side of our fence belongs to them and is classed as their property. They’d also probably find it a sore sight.
It’s not always as simple as you think. I also think it’s unfair to stop them going outdoors just because we dislike the fact they poo.

PurpleOkapi · 08/11/2021 19:25

I'm not reading through all this. Did OP ever answer which country has managed to train all of its outdoor cats to come home and poop in their litter trays whenever the urge strikes them, or how the heck they did that?

onlychildhamster · 08/11/2021 19:40

@PurpleOkapi I believe in australia, pet cats are banned from going outside- www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-24-hour-cat-curfew-b1882607.html

In USA, i believe it is also frowned upon to let your cat wander outside, it is regarded as an indoor pet.

StoneofDestiny · 08/11/2021 19:43

Not sure despising cat poo in your garden is the same as 'hating cats'.

Cat waste, is nasty, smelly and hideous to get on your garden gloves or hands and is potentially dangerous. It can cause Toxoplasmosis - a disease which can be fatal for humans.

Can't see why cat owners don't train their cat to poo in a litter tray in their own house. Do cat owners enjoy getting even their own pet's shit on their hands, let alone someone else's?

Lady08 · 08/11/2021 19:45

@StoneofDestiny

Not sure despising cat poo in your garden is the same as 'hating cats'.

Cat waste, is nasty, smelly and hideous to get on your garden gloves or hands and is potentially dangerous. It can cause Toxoplasmosis - a disease which can be fatal for humans.

Can't see why cat owners don't train their cat to poo in a litter tray in their own house. Do cat owners enjoy getting even their own pet's shit on their hands, let alone someone else's?

You’re missing the point, most pet owners have litter trays but if they’re out, they don’t have the cognitive ability to think ‘I need to go home to take a shit!’

Who has even said they pick up their cats shit with their hands, or have you just made that up Hmm

PurpleOkapi · 08/11/2021 19:46

[quote onlychildhamster]@PurpleOkapi I believe in australia, pet cats are banned from going outside- www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-24-hour-cat-curfew-b1882607.html

In USA, i believe it is also frowned upon to let your cat wander outside, it is regarded as an indoor pet.[/quote]
Yes, I'm from the US, and my cats are all inside. That varies, though - indoor/outdoor cats are common, and so are outdoor "farm cats." It also gets a lot colder in the northern US than in the UK, to the point where keeping them out in winter is simply cruel IMHO, so that's a different set of issues.

But OP's first post made it sound like outdoor cats are a thing in this unnamed country, but that they all come home and use the litter tray when they need to poop. That's the part I can't quite wrap my head around.

foxlover47 · 08/11/2021 19:48

I pick up after my dogs I hate it when they go in the back garden , there is rarely any cat poo in there but that's mostly because it's a new build and not many cats have arrived yet.
Saying that I also supplement feed the foxes so usually pick up theirs too if they've left a thank you gift ! I been picking up horse poo since a young age so I'm prob desensitised to it !
I was always told cats never crap in their own garden

StoneofDestiny · 08/11/2021 19:50

And I do wonder about how much owners "love" their cats when they let them run around everywhere - all the owners seem to do in my area is blame drivers for killing their pets 🙄 and actually expect the poor driver to stop, pick up the body and go to a vet with it.
Blimey - like they have nothing else to do, like get to work, pick up kids, keep appointments.
Countless times cats have dashed in front of my car - yes, I'm doing the speed limit, and have no chance to avoid them unless I want to create carnage on a road with human casualties.
And no - I don't drive with a shovel, gloves, waterproof sheeting or have any idea where the nearest vet is. As far as I know 999 isn't for dead or injured cats.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 08/11/2021 20:04

@StoneofDestiny

Not sure despising cat poo in your garden is the same as 'hating cats'.

Cat waste, is nasty, smelly and hideous to get on your garden gloves or hands and is potentially dangerous. It can cause Toxoplasmosis - a disease which can be fatal for humans.

Can't see why cat owners don't train their cat to poo in a litter tray in their own house. Do cat owners enjoy getting even their own pet's shit on their hands, let alone someone else's?

Please read at least some of the posts before you comment when there is almost 900 comments already on a thread.

FYI it's not just cat shit it's dog shit that carries nasties too.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 08/11/2021 20:07

@StoneofDestiny

And I do wonder about how much owners "love" their cats when they let them run around everywhere - all the owners seem to do in my area is blame drivers for killing their pets 🙄 and actually expect the poor driver to stop, pick up the body and go to a vet with it. Blimey - like they have nothing else to do, like get to work, pick up kids, keep appointments. Countless times cats have dashed in front of my car - yes, I'm doing the speed limit, and have no chance to avoid them unless I want to create carnage on a road with human casualties. And no - I don't drive with a shovel, gloves, waterproof sheeting or have any idea where the nearest vet is. As far as I know 999 isn't for dead or injured cats.
The reason I let my cats out is because I love them and want the best life for them. Stuck in my house is a miserable existence. I can vouch for that as I am stuck inside my house
StoneofDestiny · 08/11/2021 20:14

Well I do agree with you on one point - dog and cat shit are equally vile and I don't want to clean up after any pet owners pet.

PanicStationsAhh · 08/11/2021 20:21

YANBU OP I never understand why it's socially acceptable for people to (quite rightly) complain about dog mess on pavements etc but letting your cats shit wherever they want is fine. I know cat owners say well them roam, but maybe don't get one then.

TheVolturi · 08/11/2021 20:26

We had a cat along with a dog . The cat used to drag birds inside, half dead. With guts hanging out. Cat had a litter tray. Preferred to use the garden (our garden!) so then the dog would try to eat the shit. Awful. Would not want another cat ever.

SueSaid · 08/11/2021 20:39

'And I do wonder about how much owners "love" their cats when they let them run around everywhere'

Exactly how many missing cat posters do we see or fb posts wondering where their poor pet is who they see for approx an hour every day. It's no wonder they get run over and come to harm is it. Oh but owners love them! Yeah course you do, just not the looking after them bit.

AllThingsServeTheBeam · 08/11/2021 20:43

@JaniieJones

'And I do wonder about how much owners "love" their cats when they let them run around everywhere'

Exactly how many missing cat posters do we see or fb posts wondering where their poor pet is who they see for approx an hour every day. It's no wonder they get run over and come to harm is it. Oh but owners love them! Yeah course you do, just not the looking after them bit.

You like ignoring my posts don't you 😂

My cats mean the world to me. I don't live near a busy road. In fact when looking for houses we didn't even view houses near roads purely because of my cats being allowed out.

Bloodypunkrockers · 08/11/2021 20:53

@StoneofDestiny

And I do wonder about how much owners "love" their cats when they let them run around everywhere - all the owners seem to do in my area is blame drivers for killing their pets 🙄 and actually expect the poor driver to stop, pick up the body and go to a vet with it. Blimey - like they have nothing else to do, like get to work, pick up kids, keep appointments. Countless times cats have dashed in front of my car - yes, I'm doing the speed limit, and have no chance to avoid them unless I want to create carnage on a road with human casualties. And no - I don't drive with a shovel, gloves, waterproof sheeting or have any idea where the nearest vet is. As far as I know 999 isn't for dead or injured cats.
This x 10
paloma2 · 08/11/2021 20:54

The reason cats (and dogs) are ‘ indoor’ in parts if the US or Australia is sometimes because if extreme heat or cold. Moreover, there are animals such as coyotes in the US which will prey on pets left out in gardens. A relative of ours who lives in Arizona tragically let her small dog into the back garden without watching for a minute and a coyote got it. Absolutely devastating. In Australia there are dingoes snd snakes and allsorts we don’t have in the U.K. People in such arras are not keeping pets in out of consideration for the neighbours - it’s to keep them safe! So it’s not comparing like with like at all.

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HannibalHayeski · 08/11/2021 21:03

But dogs are so much better, apparently...

Lady08 · 08/11/2021 21:04

@StoneofDestiny
So you also have no sympathy for humans hit by cars?
You think they shouldn’t stop to help because they’ve got too many things to be doing? Blimey, I’ve heard it now!
Plenty of teenagers have walked in front of my car and I’ve seen cross dangerously, maybe their parents don’t care about them too?

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