The Labour Party are unelectable. Can they turn it around? What would they need to do to gain your trust?

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After another week of corrupt shenanigans from the Tories (last week was allowing literal shit pumping into watercourses, this week attempting to set aside a finding of dodgy dealings) we would still be stuck with them if there was a snap election tomorrow.

The Labour brand has become far too toxic. Keir is next to useless and all of them listen to the wrong people instead of instinctively knowing what to fight for. If they can turn it around and rebuild trust it won't be a quick or easy job. They have lost all credibility.

What do they need to do to rebuild trust or is it too late?

For me they need to start with the following:

• Get a leader with charisma and strong values surrounding fairness. The current one just doesn't cut it.
• know wtf a woman is. Stop trying to erase natal women as a sex class.

What's on your wishlist for a credible alternative to the Tories?

@WinoAnon

If you can vote for Tory as an alternative then you don't stand for labour values. Spoil your ballot or don't vote by all means but Tories stand for everything that socialism is against. I have never understood floating voters between these two parties, they are chalk and cheese.

'Chalk and cheese' used to be true but the Labour Party was always a 'broad church' and it has always been the moderate wing of the party which has been in control when they have won elections (Wilson, Blair). Twice in my lifetime, the lunatics (Militant, Momentum) have taken over the asylum, so I think I am done with them. Also in Scotland I can't trust them not to cosy up to the SNP despite being a UK-wide party and grant them another 'Neverendum'. The LibDems are more reliable in a Scottish contest but they also don't understand basic biology, so my only option is a Conservative vote which I actually don't find that difficult now. Perhaps we should all join the Tories (even I haven't done that lol) to make them more as we would wish. They are far from the Thatcherite party of the 1980s.

I like kier. He’s not perfect but then who is. I like Lisa Nandy too. He’s a compromise. So? Don’t let great be the enemy of good and all that. Better by far than the current lot 😏

Margaret Beckett and Harriet Harman both led Labour briefly.

I think the biggest problem is the constant assertion that 'Labour are unelectable'... Especially odd coming from people who purport to not like the tories.

Yeah, people who say this want to vote Tory but they feel they need to use the cover of being forced into it by Labour. Blatant displays of corruption by Johnson and co. over and over are absolutely fine with them. And that's why the UK fails a little more each day.

@BrightYellowDaffodil

They need to stop with the woke/TWAW shit for a start.

Then they need to come up with decent policies that are robustly and realistically costed (so that we know they’re genuinely affordable and not pie in the sky). And bloody well have an opinion of their own rather than just criticising the Tories. Because how it usually goes is:

“The Tory policy on X is wrong, it’s unfair, it’s ill thought out, etc. etc. What’s our policy? Well…erm…the Tory policy is wrong because…”

Stop living vicariously through the errors of others, rise above it and PROVE why you’d be better.

On the GC/self ID issue alone, I would genuinely consider holding my nose (politically) and voting Tory.

This, several times over.

@jewel1968

I think they are on their last legs. I think they have no presence. I read Dom Cummings recently saying they need a woman leader and Boris finds women difficult to deal with. Cummings thinks Nandy would be good. I don't like her. None of the women labour shadow bench appeal to me. And none of the men either.

I can't help thinking about stuff labour didn't do when they were in power. And stuff they did do e.g. PFI

Perhaps it's time for a new party?

Cummings must not have heard her parrot TWAW in the recent leadership contest. No way to attract educated women's votes.

contest was meant to be context a few posts back.

Good question as history will see Labour as massively letting down our citizens otherwise.

Champion clear, science led policies on the environment, abandon neoliberal values that put markets ahead of the welfare of our citizens. This would mean things like renationalizing key infrastructure such as railways and water, funding the NHS according to the most cost effective models globally, not sliding into copying the US insurance based system.

Be really clear on corruption in politics, positive clear policies that value women’s and Jews’ rights equally to other minority rights.

I’ll always vote Labour. I never vote on a single issue anyway. The Tories have killed thousands of people with their lies, inability to organise themselves and the sleaze is disgusting. Anyone who votes Tory has blood on their hands.

And no party is ‘unelectable’. Just vote for them. Bingo. Now they’ve been elected.

First they need to reclaim the votes they've lost over TWAW and Brexit.
Then they need to look at what will attract the centrists and undecideds over to Labour.
A better quality of MPs, a more charismatic leader, easily understood policies and the media will all tap into that. As sad as it is, a lot of people vote on how they feel about the leaders of the party rather than policy. People somehow felt they had more in common with Boris Johson, the Eton educated posh clown than any other leader. You still see people who think Sir KS is a hereditary Sir rather than someone who came from an ordinary background. Blair looked and sounded like he was in control in 1997.

@doublemonkey

I can't imagine myself ever voting for them again actually.

First Corbyn and now the woke facism and misogyny. I don't think they're interested in being in Government. If they were they might actually listen to their voters and former voters.

This is how I feel right now, too. It’s really frustrating, as we desperately need them to get their act together and focus on doing what they need to do to win.

If Labour could find an interesting, funny leader who lacks integrity, is a massive liar, has no problem completely fucking with the wellbeing of the country and is corrupt to the core, that should get them elected.

@StrychnineInTheSandwiches

that awful Diane Abbott

So many people obsessed with Diane Abbott. She's been voted in to parliament in every election since 1987, so her constituents clearly like her.

By that reasoning, the voters in their respective constituencies clearly like Johnson, Rees-Mogg and Paterson, too.

Party stalwarts are given 'safe' seats, where it doesn't matter who is wearing the right colour rosette, they'll get voted in.

A donkey wearing a red rosette could be the next Labour Party candidate in Hackney North & Stoke Newington and it would be voted in.

If Labour could find a leader that will take on the Tories without sounding like he/she is whining stop pandering to social media politics and get in touch and listen not lecture they would have a better chance

Labour have become too interested in the politics of the middle class urban voter because it’s safe they can ignore politics that they don’t really wish to deal with

They didn’t want to listen to anti EU ideas or even curbing immigration as too fearful they would be labelled as becoming right wing what was wrong with having these discussion and listening to people but no what did they get their experiences dismissed and a load of stats thrown at them patronising them and looking down on those that held a different view

And it’s again happening (women rights this time)

Party stalwarts are given 'safe' seats, where it doesn't matter who is wearing the right colour rosette, they'll get voted in.

And then they moan about people wanting jobs for life.

Get rid of snake Starmer, stop trying to be "woke" and actually put some policies out there that make sense and dont just pander to the woke brigade

Go back to their roots and talk to working people instead of the hereditary middle classes. Accept that there is such a thing as bad behaviour that needs to be dealt with, and not by pandering to it. Start communicating the need for social limits to greed and a ‘one-nation’ ethos. Remember what the differences are between public and private spaces and responsibilities. Remember what a woman is and accept we are different and equal. Something else, too - stop forgetting that we, meaning humans, have a past and a heritage as social beings: the computer age has changed nothing about the rules of living together in large-scale societies.

The aggression and unsafe behaviour towards both women and Jewish people, as well as the extreme left elements of concern to our own security services, STILL havn't been dealt with, so it's still a "no" from me.

@StrychnineInTheSandwiches

I think the biggest problem is the constant assertion that 'Labour are unelectable'... Especially odd coming from people who purport to not like the tories.

Yeah, people who say this want to vote Tory but they feel they need to use the cover of being forced into it by Labour. Blatant displays of corruption by Johnson and co. over and over are absolutely fine with them. And that's why the UK fails a little more each day.

Im not sure thats entirely true. i live in tory safe seat. Im not even sure labour ran in the last election. There was a coalition of greens and liberals so the greens stood down but the liberals were still defeated. The time before there was a strong single issue independent who got a big chunk of the vote. Theres already talk of parties not standing again to give the lib dems a shot. There are stances that arent labour or tory

Get rid of the obsession with identity politics and trying to appease to the world view according to middle class students.

Accept Brexit, think of ways of moving forward and making peoples lives a little less harder. Stop bashing the government of every little shit thing they do, honestly you’ll be there a lifetime, give actual alternatives.

Be strong, don’t people please. Say what you mean, and do what you intend to do.

I don't think Johnson's seat is as safe as those of some of his Cabinet.

Labour's attack on single-sex spaces (KS piece to camera for PN was agony) and complete lack of ability to support Rosie Duffield and speak sense on men in women's sports and prisons means they are absolutely off limits for me.

To see Labour MPs like Ben Bradshaw condemning the BBC for their recent article on road and coercion of lesbians (without any concern for the lesbians experiencing rape), and Taiwo Owatemi condemning Dr Stock and LGB Alliance. To hear David Lammy's utter nonsense about women's biological reality and the accusation of 'hoarding' rights....

They are ridiculous. They are prepared to act as the agents and mouthpieces of T/MRA and repeatedly show they care not a jot for the 50% of the electorate made more vulnerable as a result.

I am politically homeless as a left leaning, public sector working professional, GC feminist, mother with small children. No one gives a.monekts about my priorities and concerns. No one represents me. And anyone I look to to listen to my issues and take them forward effectively tells me to shut up, sit down and keep quiet - "repent m-f-*£er" maybe.

I have no intention of voting Tory (though I appreciate the Tory MPs who can acknowledge biological and social facts) so need an independent or to spoil my vote.

I was an actual member of the Labour party once!!

@PicsInRed

The aggression and unsafe behaviour towards both women and Jewish people, as well as the extreme left elements of concern to our own security services, STILL havn't been dealt with, so it's still a "no" from me.

Regarding the behaviour towards Jewish people.

It’s horrendous, and makes a blatant split down the middle of those who view the behaviour as acceptable and unacceptable. I’m sort of glad the momentum twats came about, they really highlighted and vocalised the anti-Semitism running through the party which many of us couldn’t actually “see” before.

Cut out momentum /bnp, get rid.

They are all just so strange now, i liked Frank field, but people like Angela raynor are so bizarre and extreme..