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To think that executing drug smugglers is not necessary

134 replies

Krystalcastles · 01/11/2021 17:30

They deserve prison time, absolutely, but I think execution over it is a step too far.
I’ve been reading about the grandmother Lindsay Sandiford who has been sentenced to the death penalty despite others involved being released already. She has no set execution date but has lost several appeals.
Indonesia sent two young Australian males to the firing squad after keeping them on death row for 10 years. Why keep somebody on death row for so long if you’re just going to execute them.

I do not think they deserved to be executed, even if they did deserve prison time.

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Damnloginpopup · 03/11/2021 01:06

Hanging

NiceGerbil · 03/11/2021 01:21

Public or indoors?

Televised?

I thought that televising Saddam h hanging was really bad. Totally unnecessary. Just awful really.

In general hanging is a good choice though. As long as done professionally is quick.

Issues with executions often are around who actually does it. That's why firing squads are a thing- no individual has to take on the full guilt/ responsibility.

I must say i can't imagine people working to get the corpses down etc. Pretty unpleasant. I had an acquaintance who hung herself. Apparently it's not a walk in the park, after. How the face looks.

But yes. Hanging good choice.

I'd say firing squad personally in terms of least impact on executioner(s), those dealing with body. And swift for criminal.

I don't like the idea of going back to public thing even on TV.. Your thoughts?

I also think executing all drug dealers and higher up chain, depending on defn of dealing, would be too many dead.

NoDecentHandlesLeft · 03/11/2021 01:39

@lisaandalan

Death penalty should be brought back in England too, for rapists, pedos, drug dealers, murders ect, it would deter more people, at the moment this country is way too soft that's why these people continue to do the things they do because even if they get caught they will be out in a few years.
The death penalty doesn't reduce crime.
NiceGerbil · 03/11/2021 01:51

What would actually work is a load of stuff that the bring back public hangings people just don't like.

On dealing. I imagine the idea of hanging anyone who sells drugs is... Exciting?

In reality when their kids friends in 6th form have been strung up, teachers police doctors etc are vanishing etc. The lovely woman next door who looks after the cat while they're away. Has been executed leaving a DH and 4 kids...

Loads of ordinary people get drugs for others in small amounts. That's drug dealing.

Sounds awful to me tbh. But you know. Through history it's been a popular thing.

TheMilkyWeigh · 03/11/2021 04:38

@Krystalcastles

I agree, incredibly stupid. I don’t understand why this elderly woman is given the worst sentence whilst the others were released, maybe some bribery involved
Elderly woman? She was 57 when she was convicted and is only 65 now. I’ll still be working well behind that age.
itsgettingwierd · 03/11/2021 04:51

Thing with the death penalty it punishes the family left behind more than the criminals.

Having watched many documentaries about the prison conditions in many prisons abroad I'm sure death is a better option for some than years in one of those.

I absolutely agree with corruption too and I think where death penalty is involved it becomes a real ethical issue that some can avoid not only the sentence but also death with money. Life shouldn't be valued on your value iyswim?

But I absolutely agree that if you smuggle drugs into a country with the death penalty for smuggling drugs you have to take what comes with that if caught.

Jamallama · 03/11/2021 06:33

They should be put in a tiny windowless completely bare cell on their own, with no books, TV, radio, mail, phone calls or visits for the rest of their miserable lives.
The lot of them, from the top to the bottom.
If you're stupid enough to attempt smuggling then you have to accept the law and punishment of the country in which you're committing the offence.
As I say, if it's so easy and risk free to smuggle drugs, then why isn't the one asking you doing the smuggling!

rrhuth · 03/11/2021 06:34

They should be put in a tiny windowless completely bare cell on their own, with no books, TV, radio, mail, phone calls or visits for the rest of their miserable lives. Someone needs counseling...

Jamallama · 03/11/2021 07:07

@rrhuth Well it wouldn't be me.

Hippywannabe · 03/11/2021 07:31

Didn't the 2 arrested with Sandiford pay a large amount allegedly for a lesser sentence? I seem to remember something about the wife involved having an affair allegedly with her Consul representative too, and a DM story about her now being back in the UK.

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/11/2021 13:55

They should be put in a tiny windowless completely bare cell on their own, with no books, TV, radio, mail, phone calls or visits for the rest of their miserable lives.

That's actually torture and thankfully illegal in a lot of places.

CatsArePeople · 03/11/2021 14:34

I don't agree with death penalty (though emotionally i sometimes wish we had it). But if this wasn't about a few unlucky westerners, nobody would care.

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/11/2021 18:19

@CatsArePeople

I don't agree with death penalty (though emotionally i sometimes wish we had it). But if this wasn't about a few unlucky westerners, nobody would care.
I think that's unfair. I wrote letters for Amnesty back when they knew what their job was. And they were almost always for nationals. And I give to Afghan and majority world charities a lot. I consider everyone to be human, wherever their passport is from.
SoupDragon · 03/11/2021 18:22

@araiwa

I disagree with death penalty for all crimes.

But how fucking stupid are you to smuggle drugs to a country with the death penalty for it

I agee.
anon12345678901 · 03/11/2021 18:34

@NiceGerbil

I find it baffling that USA States with death penalty refuse firing squad.

It's gone to court I think.

No no needs to be slow, painful, drawn out and with chance of failure.

I'd go for being shot accurately or beheaded with good sharp blade. Quick. Done.

For those who would like to see death penalty here. Which method/s would you prefer?

For murders/child molestors, I'd be happy with lethal injection.
MrsTerryPratchett · 03/11/2021 19:09

For murders/child molestors, I'd be happy with lethal injection.

It makes conviction less likely and the murder of victims more likely but I suppose that's a choice.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 03/11/2021 19:26

For murders/child molestors, I'd be happy with lethal injection

Me too.

I'd be happy with any form of execution for such low lives. I question people who say they don't agree with the death penalty for any crimes but most especially those crimes that involve children. Very odd.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 03/11/2021 19:28

That's actually torture and thankfully illegal in a lot of places

Are you for real? Clueless.

MrsTerryPratchett · 03/11/2021 19:31

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

That's actually torture and thankfully illegal in a lot of places

Are you for real? Clueless.

Do you want to elaborate?
Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 03/11/2021 19:57

No I don't feel the need to. Obviously 🙄

DuesToTheDirt · 03/11/2021 19:59

I question people who say they don't agree with the death penalty for any crimes but most especially those crimes that involve children. Very odd.

So many reasons, here are some for starters

  • the death penalty is barbaric
  • it is not a deterrent (look at the US)
  • you can't avoid miscarriages of justice
  • it is not used even-handedly - again, look at the US, where blacks are more likely to get the death penalty than whites
  • if you only use it where guilt is, say 100% certain, let's say there is video evidence, you risk someone who is guilty of a lesser crime getting the death penalty, where someone who committed a worse crime gets life in prison
  • jurors are less likely to convict when the death penalty is on the table
  • selecting jurors on the basis that they agree with the death penalty does not give a balanced jury (like most political views, support of the death penalty is correlated with other political beliefs, which may affect decision of the jury)

Are those reasons sufficient or would you still like to see people put to death?

rrhuth · 03/11/2021 20:05

@MrsTerryPratchett

For murders/child molestors, I'd be happy with lethal injection.

It makes conviction less likely and the murder of victims more likely but I suppose that's a choice.

Please don't bring logic and reality into it! Some people like to believe that if they kill a few people somehow the world will be alright, glossing over the fact that when we did have the death penalty things were no better and in many crime categories were far worse...
Damnloginpopup · 03/11/2021 20:42

I guess it comes down to whether you believe all life is sacred really. And at what point you feel that it becomes not.

Personally I don't feel all life is sacred. Having grown up on a farm and being ex-forces I suppose I'm just not prone to getting emotional about it and don't see justified 'putting down' as a problem. I'd have to consider where I set the bar for that justification to kick in though I suppose - parking on double yellow lines I'd probably let go...

ABCeasyasdohrayme · 03/11/2021 20:47

I don't agree with the death penalty ever.

Even for child molesters.

As someone who was a victim of a paedophile did I fuck want him to be murdered in my name. Can you imagine the impact that could have on a child.

PurpleDaisies · 03/11/2021 21:14

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

For murders/child molestors, I'd be happy with lethal injection

Me too.

I'd be happy with any form of execution for such low lives. I question people who say they don't agree with the death penalty for any crimes but most especially those crimes that involve children. Very odd.

You really find it surprising that people don’t think executing another person isn’t right? What don’t you get?
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