To think that executing drug smugglers is not necessary

[Krystalcastles]

They deserve prison time, absolutely, but I think execution over it is a step too far.
I’ve been reading about the grandmother Lindsay Sandiford who has been sentenced to the death penalty despite others involved being released already. She has no set execution date but has lost several appeals.
Indonesia sent two young Australian males to the firing squad after keeping them on death row for 10 years. Why keep somebody on death row for so long if you’re just going to execute them.

I do not think they deserved to be executed, even if they did deserve prison time.

I wondered if two Bali ringleaders or their families offered any money..

I disagree with the death penalty for all offences too

It was bloody stupid of them to smuggle drugs into a country with the death penalty for it.

@Krystalcastles

That’s very sad. I suspect that’s what happened with Sandiford’s co defendants

I suspect the same.

If you disagree with a country's laws you can support Amnesty International and not give those countries your tourist money. Whether you agree with their laws is otherwise really none of your business.

@Viviennemary

It will certainly stop them smuggling any more drugs. And deter others.

It does not prevent others smuggling drugs, there is no shortage in the drug supply.

I don't agree with the death penalty at all and think it's barbaric

At the same time I have very limited sympathy with (ordinary) people that carry drugs through an airport in a country with the death penalty

You are right. Criminal organisations exploit those who are poor and vulnerable, because they are the people usually end up getting caught carrying drugs. And I highly doubt that they are allowed to refuse or pull out, after agreeing.

Most of them are victims themselves. But they are easier to catch and punish than the ones at the top.

@Viviennemary

It will certainly stop them smuggling any more drugs. And deter others.

Death penalty has proved on many occasion to be a very poor deterrent.

I agree with the death penalty but potentially not for drug smuggling.

@IsabelAllende

You are right. Criminal organisations exploit those who are poor and vulnerable, because they are the people usually end up getting caught carrying drugs. And I highly doubt that they are allowed to refuse or pull out, after agreeing.

Most of them are victims themselves. But they are easier to catch and punish than the ones at the top.

This

Gosh I could think of some absolute vile scumbags I’d happily watch swing.

I think the death penalty is always wrong, and especially for offences other than murder.

I think that foreigners should if possible avoid travelling to these countries at all, let alone bringing drugs to them. It's of course different for someone who lives there. But that doesn't excuse these regimes.

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Death penalty should be brought back in England too, for rapists, pedos, drug dealers, murders ect, it would deter more people, at the moment this country is way too soft that's why these people continue to do the things they do because even if they get caught they will be out in a few years.

@lisaandalan

Death penalty should be brought back in England too, for rapists, pedos, drug dealers, murders ect, it would deter more people, at the moment this country is way too soft that's why these people continue to do the things they do because even if they get caught they will be out in a few years.

The US has the death penalty and massive crime rates.

You're just wrong.

I dont support the death penalty but I dont see why Indonesia need treat foreign nationals any less harshly than their own citizens.

I don't support the death penalty and don't support people who think that they should be treated more leniently because they aren't a local. Indonesia has a right to impose their own laws and foreigners need to respect that.

@Briony123

If you disagree with a country's laws you can support Amnesty International and not give those countries your tourist money. Whether you agree with their laws is otherwise really none of your business.

1. Amnesty are... Pretty iffy.

1. The foreign office advice. Which lets be honest the average holidaymaker doesn't look at. If they do- when it comes esp to laws and women they are rubbish. Woman goes to X on business, big commerce centre etc. Is raped. How the hell is she supposed to be clued in not to report it because she might go to prison?

1. If it's not the business of anyone what another countries laws are then why on earth say support charities who want to interfere with other countries laws? That's contradictory.

4..I have zero problem saying eg. I don't agree with death penalty full stop. Also- off top of head a few laws around the place I don't agree with-
Child marriage
Public execution/ lashes/ stoning etc
Death penalty for homosexual sex
Laws around hours/ attire/ who with you can go out in public

That's really objectionable?

Drugs kill people, smugglers and dealers profit from this.
Don't want the death penalty or prison time, then don't smuggle drugs..... its not a difficult concept to grasp

In that country or more generally?

Why not go after the top bosses etc? Who run it all?

Replacement smugglers will always be found. And coerced/ threatened/ want the cash/ need the cash/ sweet talked/ don't even know...

In Indonesia. This story is about? (Not read it). Death penalty smuggling out.

Where did drugs come from? Originating in Indonesia? Or its a point in their export journey?

What about the other links in this chain?

No link in OP just had a look but this-

'Indonesia sent two young Australian males to the firing squad after keeping them on death row for 10 years. '

I find that chilling.

Many on here say brilliant!

Very different views for sure.

Death penalty should be brought back in England too, for rapists, pedos, drug dealers, murders ect, it would deter more people, at the moment this country is way too soft that's why these people continue to do the things they do because even if they get caught they will be out in a few years.

No, it shouldn't. It doesn't deter the people who most need deterring. In America, states with the death penalty don't have lower crime rates than those without it.

Deterrence is more likely to be achieved by making detection and conviction more likely than by severity of punishment. Rape, for example, has horribly low reporting and conviction rates

And apart from all other reasons for avoiding the DP, and especially for crimes other than murder: rapists, pedos, etc. are more likely to murder their victims and potential witnesses, if they're likely to face the DP for their original crimes. It reduces their chance of being identified, and if murder won't bring them a worse punishment than they'd have got anyway, they're more likely to risk it.

@Whammyyammy

Drugs kill people, smugglers and dealers profit from this. Don't want the death penalty or prison time, then don't smuggle drugs..... its not a difficult concept to grasp

Drugs don't kill people. Addictions kill people. And addictions are caused in the main by trauma, abuse being the most common.

Tackle child abuse and neglect and you'd tackle most drug deaths.

I oppose the death penalty because there is no reprieve in the event of a miscarriage of justice.

I don't have a lot of sympathy though.

And poverty, exploitation etc etc.

If you kill all the drug dealers in the UK.

(By what. Shooting squad? Hanging? Lethal injection? Electrocution? Stoning? Disembowelment? Etc etc...?).

Then depending on how defining dealing then a lot of people executed.

I'm interested in how.

USA methods are v cruel. Both injection and chair (they still have not sure when last used) are generally slow, painful. Cruel.

Keeping people in prison for decades then killing is also extremely cruel.

Quick efficient effective methods are things like-

Guillotine
Hanging if done well
Beheading if done well
Shot to head again knowing where etc

That's why in the past for a quick clean execution those are the things done.

Things like stoning are meant to be cruel slow and I suppose. An opportunity for general people to get involved.

I find it baffling that USA States with death penalty refuse firing squad.

It's gone to court I think.

No no needs to be slow, painful, drawn out and with chance of failure.

I'd go for being shot accurately or beheaded with good sharp blade. Quick. Done.

For those who would like to see death penalty here. Which method/s would you prefer?