To ask if we can stop dicking about with the clocks?

[ThirdElephant]

Just that, really. I'm up at 4:30 for the second day in a row because of this clock nonsense. Changing bedtime is not adjusting wake-up time, just resulting in a tired infant. Can we all just leave the clocks where they are from now on?

I've always loved the anonymity of the dark mornings, everyone seems quieter on the commute than when it's light.

For a year (?) or so when I was at school we tried not doing it. The reason we continued with it after that was to cut down on road accidents (mainly drivers not seeing pedestrians in the dark, I think - long time ago, can't really remember).

You say kids get taxied to school, some do. Round here they all walk. Two primary schools and one enormous community college. Lots of traffic. There's a v busy hill into town and cars swoop round the corner from it onto our main street as if they're all competing with Sterling Moss. Accidents at that corner happen often enough. If they're doing it in the dark....

@Jux

For a year (?) or so when I was at school we tried not doing it. The reason we continued with it after that was to cut down on road accidents (mainly drivers not seeing pedestrians in the dark, I think - long time ago, can't really remember).

You say kids get taxied to school, some do. Round here they all walk. Two primary schools and one enormous community college. Lots of traffic. There's a v busy hill into town and cars swoop round the corner from it onto our main street as if they're all competing with Sterling Moss. Accidents at that corner happen often enough. If they're doing it in the dark....

Then your town needs more street lights! in another couple of weeks we're back to the same issue!!!! It'll be dark again when kids go to school

I appreciated the sunrise while walking the dogs this morning, but feel like a bloody zombie after two mornings waking at 5am.

It takes me a good week to adjust to the change. Every single time.

The argument that lots of kids are driven to school doesn't really wash, when they're are trying to discourage people driving kids to school.

Staying on summer time which isn't our natural time would only encourage more people to drive.

@Lockdownbear fair enough. Then let's not change the clock for summer!!!! Let's keep winter time! people don't want to keep CHANGING the time! I prefer more light in the afternoon but that's could be a compromise

Yes, please!

Worked yet another hour for free on Saturday night shift, on the plus everything isn't such a rush with an extra hour, but that bites you in the arse in spring when you're expected to do the same amount in an hour less.

And petty as it may be but I get irrationally annoyed at the "extra hour in bed" that I don't get 😜 and don't get sodding paid for working either.

I would be happy to stay on GMT, love the dark evenings. But I much prefer autumn and winter.

Me and DS1 struggle with the clocks changing in the spring, neither of us can sleep with it still being light out. Nighttime should be dark

@lollipoprainbow

We have this discussion every year yawn !!

If you find it yawn making there's simple solution, don't click on threads relating to the clocks changing.

[quote grey12]@Lockdownbear fair enough. Then let's not change the clock for summer!!!! Let's keep winter time! people don't want to keep CHANGING the time! I prefer more light in the afternoon but that's could be a compromise[/quote]
If people don't want to CHANGE the clocks we should stick with winter time. GMT our natural time.

But then people will moan they don't need daylight at 3am but would prefer that extra hour at 9pm.

Then your town needs more street lights! hmm

The face is a bit harsh, it's not the poster deliberately refusing to use the streetlights. My village barely has footpaths never mind lighting and decades of people complaining about how unsafe it is has fallen on deaf ears. And these days there is the perfect get out clause because now instead of saying there is no money, they will tell us how lucky we are because light pollution is bad.

I’d keep BST, not GMT though.

It's so depressing when you're on the night shift, you feel like the time is dragging anyway and then you have to turn 1am into 12am and time literally goes backwards

@Whereismylatte

It's so depressing when you're on the night shift, you feel like the time is dragging anyway and then you have to turn 1am into 12am and time literally goes backwards

Think of the other side of that coin when it's 1am and suddenly you've jumped forward an hour.

I used to plan for this with dd in 5 min increments over 2/3 weeks so by the time the clocks changed she was pretty much ready for the new time. I know not everyone can do that due to work.

We did that too. Although I was less bothered when the clocks went forward, was happy to take that extra hour!

But the baby phase of clock changing doesn’t last long and when at the other end, once they are older, you are desperate for the clocks to change as trying to get them to go to bed when it’s daylight is torture!

It's so depressing when you're on the night shift, you feel like the time is dragging anyway and then you have to turn 1am into 12am and time literally goes backwards

But was great when you were in a nightclub and you got the extra hour out!

I remember when we experimented with abandoning changing the clocks. Except for ages I thought I was imagining it or remembering a bad dream where my mum kept getting me up in the middle of the night.

It was ages before I learned that it was real. I was at infant school and it would just be getting light when we left. I was always really tired. I think you need natural light to be able to wake up properly. We were in the South East so God knows what it must have been like for people further north or in Scotland.

I can change the clock on the cooker because I've kept the instruction booklet. Everything else changes like magic at midnight. But it'll be a week or two before I stop looking at the time and thinking: "It says it's 9.34am but it's really an hour later."

Eg Ireland and Britain want the same time, Scandinavian countries want light in the morning, the Mediterranean countries want sunny evenings etc.

But in the Arctic parts of Norway, Sweden and Finland it's nonsense anyway. I think Russia used to do it but stopped. Oh and just think of the fun Boris Johnson and Frost will have when they insist that the UK must be different from the EU. What will they do for Northern Ireland?

There’s only so much light to go around and dicking about with the clicks when they days are this short is just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Quite, it annoys me that they call it Daylight Saving Time - it doesn't make the sun shine for an extra hour. I would make a comparison with temperature. If you are cold you put a jumper on, you don't alter the thermometer so that it says 23 degrees instead of 13, and kid yourself it's warmer!

As I think someone has already said, the obvious thing to do is for schools to operate different times during the year - e.g have a later start after the October half term until the Spring half term. Many firms now have flexitime or now post Covid, Working from Home, so it's a nonsense there also.

I just want to re-iterate that what we choose to set the clocks to need not have any implications for the amount of light at a particular point in our day. All that is needed is for their to be local agreement about what time schools/offices/day shifts should start, and those times could vary as the time of daybreak varies.

We could go back to every city/village having its own time zone, effectively, but all using the same clock to describe time, so there would be no confusion when co-ordinating events with each other.

@Peregrina

Eg Ireland and Britain want the same time, Scandinavian countries want light in the morning, the Mediterranean countries want sunny evenings etc.

But in the Arctic parts of Norway, Sweden and Finland it's nonsense anyway. I think Russia used to do it but stopped. Oh and just think of the fun Boris Johnson and Frost will have when they insist that the UK must be different from the EU. What will they do for Northern Ireland?

There’s only so much light to go around and dicking about with the clicks when they days are this short is just robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Quite, it annoys me that they call it Daylight Saving Time - it doesn't make the sun shine for an extra hour. I would make a comparison with temperature. If you are cold you put a jumper on, you don't alter the thermometer so that it says 23 degrees instead of 13, and kid yourself it's warmer!

As I think someone has already said, the obvious thing to do is for schools to operate different times during the year - e.g have a later start after the October half term until the Spring half term. Many firms now have flexitime or now post Covid, Working from Home, so it's a nonsense there also.

Ireland and Portugal have the same timezone as the UK. Spain has arguments about their timezone.

If you start moving school starts to later, shops will follow and the public transport so really everything with mess with your head rather than just changing the clocks.

No. It was still dark walking to school in the mornings here last week. This morning it was broad daylight.

These suggestions like school, office and shop opening times multiple times a year or having big variations between different parts of the country involve way more dicking about and hassle than changing the clocks twice a year.

I definitely value extra hours of daylight in the evening. I have a huge problem with artificial lights and really hate it what it gets dark at 4pm. I'd take dark mornings over dark evenings anytime.

My toddler got up last night and I initially put her into our bed as I figured it was at least 6am and I'd have to get up soon anyway. Checked my phone and it was 2:47am. I've never been that wrong at guessing the time in the middle of the night!

I don't have strong feelings one way or the other but I want to do what's best for farmers.

The autumn clock change makes bed times so much harder. The kids aren't able to get out and burn energy off as it's dark early and there's no logical day = light, night = dark pattern anymore. Hate it and look forward to the spring and summer now.