To ask if we can stop dicking about with the clocks?

[ThirdElephant]

Just that, really. I'm up at 4:30 for the second day in a row because of this clock nonsense. Changing bedtime is not adjusting wake-up time, just resulting in a tired infant. Can we all just leave the clocks where they are from now on?

“Once they tell the time, most children are sticklers for routine, and not that impressed to hear that dinner is now at 7pm not 6pm”

I assumed she meant, change the clocks… then don’t tell them time is all imaginary anyway.

I think there must be millions of people who are so fed up with this clock change malarky.We should all use the extra hour to send an email to our MP so they abolish this shite clock change.Tired all day and this will last usually for 10 days

I understand that if we don't do it , parts of Scorland will be dark past 9am. It's a safety thing for children traveling to school.

It doesn't bother me l love an extra hour in bed and so do my lazy children. I find losing it harder in the spring.

@tabulahrasa

“Once they tell the time, most children are sticklers for routine, and not that impressed to hear that dinner is now at 7pm not 6pm”

I assumed she meant, change the clocks… then don’t tell them time is all imaginary anyway.

Surely not - spending half the year having to subtract or add time to your clock, telling visitors not to tell the true time, and having them burst the bubble once they ask the teacher why the clocks and times at school are different from home?

Its old fashioned way of thinking and not at all practical.

Back in the day where farmers wanted daylight, fine. Now they have lights on farm vehicles and they can work at any hour of the day.

And kids walking to school. There are pavements, street lights and councils hand out hi-viz accessories to help kids keep safe.

There is a high majority now which are being taken to school on a bus or in a car.

Were not in the 1940s now.

It’s not just parts of Scotland - it’s ALL of Scotland, and into Northern England. Orkney wouldn’t have sunrise until 10am, Aberdeen 0950, Edinburgh 0945 and Newcastle 0920. Which means no hope of roads warming, frost melting etc, and whole commutes to school and work being in the pitch dark.

“Surely not - spending half the year having to subtract or add time to your clock, telling visitors not to tell the true time, and having them burst the bubble once they ask the teacher why the clocks and times at school are different from home?”

No, I meant the exact opposite of that, lol.

Change the clocks same as everyone else and just don’t tell the DC, because they only know that 6 is now 5 of you tell them that, otherwise, they just read the time and that’s that.

My DD would have to se off for school down an unlit road in the dark if the clocks didn't change, but as long as your precious little prince's routine is disturbed for a day or 2 lets not bother about all teh school children being put in danger

It's not just Scotland - please look at a map those of you suggesting Scotland has it's own time zone.

There are parts of England further north than parts of Scotland.

l just can't bear the darker evenings now l am older , it never used to bother me.

Wouldn’t Scotland, and parts of England, only suffer if we left the clocks on BST? Why don’t we just leave them on GMT? Then dawn would never come any later than it does under the current system. Or am I missing something?

Back in the 70s (?) they stopped changing them as an experiment. The Scots in the far north protested so strongly that BST was re-introduced.

@DerAlteMann

Back in the 70s (?) they stopped changing them as an experiment. The Scots in the far north protested so strongly that BST was re-introduced.

The reason they don't want to leave them on BST is nobody wants daylight at 3am but people will appreciate that extra hour at 10pm in summer. Probably more noticeable in the spring and autum, people nobody is too fussed about daylight before 7.00 ish esp when they have plenty hours so its better to have that extra hour in the evenings.

One of the issues isn't just how far north you go its how far west. Maps very often straighten the UK up, Edinburgh is actually further west than Bristol.

Sorry i quoted the wrong quote it was to the poster suggesting GMT all year round

And kids walking to school. There are pavements, street lights and councils hand out hi-viz accessories to help kids keep safe.

Maybe where you live but plenty of people on this thread have explained that those things don't exist in their areas.

Children do not have the road sense of adults and do not develop it for a long time. Their ability to calculate risks (in this case, what speed the car is coming at) is limited. A child in dark clothes is almost invisible.
Never heard of any council giving out high vis stuff nor can I imagine a teenager who would chose to wear it past their front door.

My local council has a road safety character which goes round primary schools promoting road safety in years 1 and 2. They are handed hi vis accessories. Its a course lasting 6 weeks fir a day a week. Its also given to kids in year 7 as a refresher.

There's teaching kids about road safety but why make them less safe by having them travelling in the pitch black?

So many uniforms are dark colours which doesn't really help.

Have you ever seen the photos one of the fire services did with a small child near a tree at the side of the road in daylight , one in a yellow rain coat and one in a navy coat.
In navy the child is almost invisible, just blends into the tree and that was in daylight.

And kids walking to school. There are pavements, street lights and councils hand out hi-viz accessories to help kids keep safe

Where my kids walk, no. Part of the journey is not lit and there is no pavement. They also need to cross a busy A road it I’ll ask the council to give them a high viz and send them on their way.

I love the day the clocks change, I love the extra hour on one day in Autumn. I love the fact that suddenly it’s Spring and the evenings are lighter and then suddenly it’s Autumn and you have those cosy evenings starting.
I don’t have young kids anymore though, but I do still remember sitting in the factory, after they had stopped the master clock for an hour, on my night shift and waiting for it to start again. Longest night of my life.
Incidentally, if you read the “Mapp and Lucia” series, there is quite an insight into the fuss people made when BST first came in in the 20’s. That it wasn’t “God’s time” and a lot of people just ignored it.. unless they were catching the train.

@MrsDThomas

My local council has a road safety character which goes round primary schools promoting road safety in years 1 and 2. They are handed hi vis accessories. Its a course lasting 6 weeks fir a day a week. Its also given to kids in year 7 as a refresher.

And that teaches them how to melt snow and ice?

I don't mind the clock changing, well I don't like the spring change but quite like the extra hour in bed in autumn so it balances out. I do get the worry about kids walking to school in the dark, would it be easier to change school times rather than changing the clocks for everyone. I know it might cause issues in the morning for working parents but then they would need less after school care so might balance out.

I often think that with teenagers in particular having a later start might work well, most teenagers I've known aren't great at getting up.

Moving school times would be a nightmare. Working parents would need breakfast care, it would impact public transport, which in turn would impact everything else.

If schools don't open until say 10, who's going to be up shopping at 9 in the dark?

Moving school times would cause so many issues.

@TirednWorried

My DD would have to se off for school down an unlit road in the dark if the clocks didn't change, but as long as your precious little prince's routine is disturbed for a day or 2 lets not bother about all teh school children being put in danger

there's no need to be so aggressive and personal

Agree. I don't see the point