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To completely cut ties with my parents over racism towards my husband and daughter

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ST90 · 27/10/2021 18:13

My husband is Japanese, he moved over here when he was 14. All my family are white. He is a really amazing guy, is a great dad, treats me really well and we get on so well. Our relationship is far more healthy than any previous relationship I was in. We've been together 6.5 years and have a 3 year old daughter. I am sure my parents would love him if he was white.
They have always been very rude to him, talk to him as if he doesn't speak English very well, frequently make a disgusting racist joke about asian people, always refer to him as being Chinese, still don't know how to say his name properly. They have accused me of only dating him because he was rich, which is completely untrue and our incomes are very similar. I've called them out on this repeatedly from the start but this hasn't helped, they just deny they are being racist and pretend that they are the victims.
When we first got together his parents where uneasy about him dating me and wanted him to be with an Asian girl but now I get on quite well with his family. I had hoped a similar thing would happen with my family and they'd eventually change their attitude towards him.
After a while I decided that if we were spending time with them and they made a racist comment we would immediately leave. This improved things somewhat initially.
I hoped things would get better when our daughter was born, however they have not. She looks Asian and they treat her much worst than my sister's children. We're raising her bilingual and she frequently says a Japanese word or phrase in her English, which is completely normal. My parents told her off for doing this and have spoken to me about how we're confusing her by raising her this way. They've also said bad things about Asian culture to her, which makes me so angry. Recently I've tried to see them less often and when I do try to see them alone. Obviously Covid has helped with this. My husband says that although he is hurt by them and doesn't like spending time with them, they are family and will always be. And that he loves me and they are a big part of my life and so he wants to keep making an effort. One time we got a babysitter for an evening and they found out about this and told me she should stay there and I should have asked them. I was honest and told them I didn't want her to spend time with them alone when they repeatedly said awful and not true things about Asian culture in front of her. They decided that he had pressured me into this and that this was a sign of abuse and sent me an article on how pressuring someone from spending time with family was a key sign of abuse. This is completely untrue and he has always encouraged me from continuing to make an effort with them.
Obviously I've spoken to them so many times about this and nothing gets through to them and I am so angry. I feel so awful that they are treating the 2 people I love the most so horribly. My sister agrees with me about their behaviour and has spoken to them too but this didn't work either.
Recently I saw them and they were criticising him and comparing him unfavourably to my sister's husband and some of my exes. They kept on mentioning how they now think he is stopping me spending time with them and how they thought this was abuse. Ridiculously they were comparing him unfavourably to an ex who was abusive. I got so angry with them and told them that I no longer wanted them to be in our lives and didn't want to see them anymore.
My husband thinks this is an over reaction as they will always be family. And my sister and a couple of my friends agree. I do feel awful at the thought of cutting them out of our life when they have made so many sacrifices for me and I have lots of happy memories with them. However I just can't keep watching them treat my husband and daughter like that and can't keep putting them in that situation and feel awful for having done that for so long. If anyone other than my parents were doing this I'd have cut ties ages ago. Do you think I am right to cut contact with them or is it an over-reaction?

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ST90 · 28/10/2021 21:01

@ohnana

Even if your husband thinks this is an overreaction, as someone who is half asian I distinctly remember comments one of my grandparents made even as a very young child about me / siblings / my Asian parent. It sticks and you don’t forget it. If it were me I wish my white parent had stuck up for my Asian parent more (maybe they did the scenes I don’t know). They still make comments about anyone that isn’t white and even though they aren’t extremely racist remarks, the microagressions really does wear on a person. You have enough to deal with in terms of comments from classmates / teachers / friends / strangers nevermind your own family. I don’t think I realised how much it affected me or how much I suppressed until I was an adult. I sadly thought it was normal and acceptable, something I should get used to. I’d cut ties for the sake of my daughter, even if it’s just to give a bit of a breather as it really isn’t acceptable and I wouldn’t want to teach my daughter it was.
I'm sorry you had to go through that and can't imagine how hard it is. I am hoping given she is only 3 she won't remember these things. I have tried to call them out whenever they said anything bad. I really hope she doesn't ever think it is normal. I am going to cut them off. I know that she is going to face a much tougher life unfortunately because she is half Asian which is really awful and I am sorry that that is the case
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Melassa · 28/10/2021 21:04

I was the child in this scenario, my DM is from a Southern European country and (gasp) Catholic. Luckily we lived abroad and I first met my paternal GM when I was 10, so I already had a mind of my own and would respond and brush off the barbed comments about my DM’s culture. However my DSis was a lot younger and affected by the torrent of hate, as she didn’t respond like I did my GM was freer with her poison.

Luckily we only saw them once or twice a month or so. Still, it was exhausting having to constantly defend my DM and her culture and language and it took its toll on both of us. Having part of your identity dissed chips away at your self worth. Lowering contact considerably would have really
lightened the load (as well as my Dad telling them to shut up and stop bitching, but he was too weak).

Ispini · 28/10/2021 21:12

Tell them to F off to Fu=land! Utterly dreadful.

Please stop with these people and have a lovely life.🤗

stairway · 28/10/2021 21:52

ST90 I don’t think your child will have a much tougher life at all. She will be bilingual and will have the blessings of two cultures and two loving parents.

fibrecruncher · 29/10/2021 01:47

I'm so sorry to read this, it all sounds terrible and very hurtful. I think stopping contact is a good idea as your parents are not getting it. You could after a period of time allow some contact with very specific parameters and see if that works. I empathise greatly. I have a very strained relationship with my PIL and it's partly because they make frequent negative comments about my culture/language.

Sleepyhungryfattyanddoc · 29/10/2021 02:11

If it were me I think I’d be tempted to have a ‘final’ discussion with them
Explain how they make you feel
Explain why you don’t want your dd to hear the remarks they’re making
Explain you are not being abused and they they aren’t helping their point when they refuse to see what they may be contributing to the situation and choose to blame DH instead.

And simply say this is what I expect from you
And if that’s not an option I’ll walk away

It’s up to you, no one would blame you for not doing it. But a calm rational conversation where I’m sure they’ve heard everything I’ve said, and it’s not simply ignorance on their part (not that that would make it right) would give me total closure if i then decided to walk away.

Turangawaewae · 29/10/2021 02:15

I know that she is going to face a much tougher life unfortunately because she is half Asian which is really awful and I am sorry that that is the case.

My husband is mixed race and so is my DC. DH in particular has gained so much from his background - he was raised in both countries. He's an open person, able to connect with such a wide range of people and to understand cultural differences at depth. He also speaks two languages and has gained a lot of opportunities from this. He simply wouldn't be who he is without his background.

What I think has been crucial for him, is a strong understanding of who is and where he is from.

Your kids can gain a huge amount from being mixed race, but not if your parents make them ashamed. I'm sorry they are behaving so badly.

ST90 · 29/10/2021 04:22

@Turangawaewae

I know that she is going to face a much tougher life unfortunately because she is half Asian which is really awful and I am sorry that that is the case.

My husband is mixed race and so is my DC. DH in particular has gained so much from his background - he was raised in both countries. He's an open person, able to connect with such a wide range of people and to understand cultural differences at depth. He also speaks two languages and has gained a lot of opportunities from this. He simply wouldn't be who he is without his background.

What I think has been crucial for him, is a strong understanding of who is and where he is from.

Your kids can gain a huge amount from being mixed race, but not if your parents make them ashamed. I'm sorry they are behaving so badly.

You're right, sorry I shouldn't have said that and didn't mean it. I meant something like unfortunately she will face difficulties that us white people in this country do not have to face. Sorry that was bad of me and thanks for pointing that out. Hopefully those benefits for our daughter will outweigh the challenges she shouldn't have to face.
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BunNcheese · 29/10/2021 05:31

OP has a point about her DD facing a tougher life its very possible. OPS parents are a fine example... if your parents speak like that about their own granddaughter imagine how they would treat a stranger.

People who are white will not be able to relate to a mixed race persons struggle as they will not face the same challenges.

Londonnight · 29/10/2021 07:59

My [ white, English son ] is married to a beautiful Thai young woman. If and when they have a child it will be welcomed by me by only love.

You need to remove your parents from your life before more damage is done to your child. No child should be ashamed of who they are.

Turangawaewae · 29/10/2021 10:01

@ST90 You are right of course that there are difficulties and DH has faced racism. Even though I'm married to him, I don't quite understand as BunNCheese pointed out.

I've walked away from a few people over race issues but I've been lucky in not having to face problems in my closer family. Kia kaha OP.

FelicityPike · 29/10/2021 10:04

I’d have cut them off years ago!

Cheeserton · 29/10/2021 10:08

Fucking hell, no YANBU! They clearly aren't learning or improving themselves, get the hell away from them. Racist to your own kids? Their grandchildren? Screw that, then screw it some more. The utter shits.

Helpmyson · 29/10/2021 10:12

Why not write them a letter ;bullet points things they have done / said . They can re read the letter many times untill the message gets through
It sounds like they are 'deaf ' to you and your sister's spoken words

Helpmyson · 29/10/2021 10:16

Send them Xmas cards and b day cards , but don't let them.near your loved ones untill they face up to their prejudices.
You have to do this for your daughter she may have to deal with prejudice for the rest of her life , demonstrate to her how to do this , do not let it into your home

JorisBonson · 29/10/2021 10:19

I'm so angry for you OP. So sorry you've had to go through this.

TheLastSpookyBakedBeanSaysBoo · 29/10/2021 10:29

Racist remarks against your partner is awful, but towards a child is just absolutely unacceptable. A grown up can understand that some people are dicks and to pay no mind to their comments, but a child will be taking it all in as the truth. She will know that they favouritise her cousins over her and why, and these vile external messages about her race and culture will become the internal messages she carries with her throughout the rest of her life. You cant protect her from all the racists in the world, but you can make her family a place of safety and security and unconditional love away from her horrible racist grandparents.

IloveM · 29/10/2021 10:50

'Japanese and all asain cultures are rich, beautiful, fascinating , we have so much to learn ' your parents need to have this attitude

Stand up to your parents , seek out all the help you can ,

Danikm151 · 29/10/2021 10:55

As a mixed race child I grew up knowing and feeling that I didn't fit in with family. I didn't look like my cousins. Being left out of being a bridesmaid etc Half of me was wrong but they loved the other half, I don't see colour, I forget you're brown sometimes all kinds of comments.
They may have been ignorant but it gets ingrained in you and at 30 I still remember.

Protect your daughter as much as you can. If they want to be involved in her life they will make changes to what they say and how they behave. If they don't- tough tits

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