Ffs my dd just had friend's license confiscated!

[1lifeliveitright]

17 yr dd (18 next month) went out with a couple of friends tonight. In the 2nd bar she was asked for id and handed over a friend's provisional. The real document but it's not hers. Anyway it was taken off her and the bar man refused to give it back. Even after speaking to his supervisor. Dd left but now has no Id anymore and her friend has lost her actual license. I appreciate they have both committed an offence in doing this but how does she get it back?! I tried to warn her of the dangers of doing this but she's done it several times before and of course she knows best!

[WingingItSince1973]

@LittleGwyneth

Did everyone clutching their pearls genuinely wait until their 18th birthday before setting foot in a pub or club? You can't even get in, drinking or otherwise, without and ID.

Borrowing ID is a tale as old as time. Or at least it was common place in the early 2010s when I was a teenager.

Your DD should pay for a replacement for her friend, or the friend should go down and pick it up. It's hardly the end of the world. And you clearly gave a lovely open relationship with your DD given that she told you what was going on.

@LittleGwyneth I can't remember if I ever used fake ID but i was certainly getting into pubs at 17. I did get asked to leave a nightclub once as someone told the manager I was under age. He actually knew me as I worked next door to the club! When I think about any of my girls doing that at 17 I shudder that they are so young but then remember my youth 🤣 Late 80s early 90s though so seemed like less danger back then.

[StringsnThings]

If your DD is 18 next month she's hardly going to miss out on too much without an ID. Maybe she can persuade her friends to do something she can participate in for a couple weeks, then when she turns 18 if her friends ID still isn't back she can lend hers back

[tigerinyourtank]

@1lifeliveitright

Yes I meant has no 'fake' id anymore! I agree she's has her comeuppance but I feel for her as she's the only 1 not quite 18 yet.
She hasn't dare tell the friend yet. Probably paying or going halves on a new one maybe the answer.
God in a few weeks it won't be an issue but it did make me wonder are they allowed to keep it? What if it was actually hers? Dd and friend do look very similar hence why she's got away with it before.

Give it a rest helicopter Mummy. Her birthday is in November and she's the "only one" not quite 18 yet? She's one of the oldest in her year and you are enabling her in her entitlement. Stop it and grow up.

You more than her.

[StringsnThings]

I do find it odd that we are only in October and all her friends have turned 18

[MajorNeville]

The bar will probably hand it to the police tomorrow, friend will be able to pick it up from the police station. That's what happened when my son loaned his license to a mate. He just said he dropped it in the pub when he was out. Teenagers are idiots!

[scarpa]

Amazed at all the posters acting as though OP's daughter just did a bank heist gone wrong!

Happens all the time - all my friendship group had birthdays between Sept-December, mine's in July. Once they all had their legal IDs I relied on borrowed ones to go out with them (although we'd been going out since we were 16 anyway 😅).

At my school/sixth form you gave one of the upper sixth girls with vaguely similar hair to you £30, she'd say her licence was stolen and give you the old one when the new one arrived. Cos about £17 so she made a profit, and you had a legit driving licence (as opposed to the people who bought the tiny black stick on letters from WH Smiths and doctored their own).

[tigerinyourtank]

@scarpa

Amazed at all the posters acting as though OP's daughter just did a bank heist gone wrong!

Happens all the time - all my friendship group had birthdays between Sept-December, mine's in July. Once they all had their legal IDs I relied on borrowed ones to go out with them (although we'd been going out since we were 16 anyway 😅).

At my school/sixth form you gave one of the upper sixth girls with vaguely similar hair to you £30, she'd say her licence was stolen and give you the old one when the new one arrived. Cos about £17 so she made a profit, and you had a legit driving licence (as opposed to the people who bought the tiny black stick on letters from WH Smiths and doctored their own).

Wow.

Gosh.

You sound very cool.

(we all did that at 6th form in the 90s but you appear to be stuck at that level of maturity)

[CecilyP]

She hasn't dare tell the friend yet. Probably paying or going halves on a new one maybe the answer.

Why? Presumably the friend chose to lend it, so friend also has to face the consequences. Suggest friend goes to the bar and asks for it back before getting into anything more complicated.

[GrealishHairband]

DD lends her ID out to a select few friends on occasion. The deal is if it gets taken off them they tell her and she goes to collect or they pay for a replacement. Not had to deal with either as yet. She did the same in the 6 months or so prior to her 18th. Your DD needs to own up and or cough up.

[snoopdoggydog]

@Cadent

Ffs what?! Your daughter was an idiot and got her comeuppance.

I think she knows this 🤔
Sometimes there's just no need.

[SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius]

@Unreasonabubble - IME stands for ‘in my experience’.

My first reaction was to agree with the posters who say it is your dd’s responsibility to pay for the replacement licence, @1lifeliveitright - but on second thoughts, maybe going halves is the right answer - it was your dd who lost the licence, but the other girl shouldn’t have lent it to her. If they both have to cough up, maybe they will both think twice before doing it again.

[slashlover]

@Puffalicious

She will not go to prison, OP 🙄 nor will it affect her UCAS application 😆

The judgy crew are out in full force tonight. They're probably still uptight from their boring younger years🤣

I'll go out on a limb: I bought my DS 17 his fake ID. £45 and it's bloody good. I have no qualms at all. So sue me.

So glad you don't give a shit about the retail workers/bar workers you could cause to lose their jobs. Well done.

Yes, I did go out underage - 20+ years ago, things have been MAJORLY tightened up since then - challenge 21 and then challenge 25 for a start. Are you willing to pay the potential £3000 fine for the retailer?

[GrealishHairband]

Quite puzzled at some of the posters who readily admit they did similar or went out clubbing/drinking underage but condemning this lass for doing the same because it’s ‘different now’. Still illegal 20 years ago last time I looked.

[NoDecentHandlesLeft]

I'd be interested to know if a club/pub served an underage drinker with an authentic fake ID (eg brought, not a borrowed one) would they still be liable?
Seems pretty harsh, when there are fakes out there that are identical to the real thing.

[StringsnThings]

I feel like this is one of those things that we all do as a teenager but we don't encourage as adults. It's the sort of thing you should pretend your parents don't know about, and parents should at least display some disapproval. I don't think buying our DC fake IDs or worrying about how they will get into clubs when they are underage is really ideal, equally I don't think acusing the Dd of fraud is either.

[OldGreyBadger]

I don't want to pour cold water on teenage reminiscences, as it wasn't very serious back in the day, but now, possession of a fake/someone else's ID is a crime punishable with up to 10 years' imprisonment. (Identity Documents Act 2010, s 4) The legislation is aimed at terrorists and serious criminals, but youngsters using fake ID to but alcohol are sometimes cautioned or prosecuted. And Puffalicious is setting an atrocious example to her child.

[EmeraldShamrock]

It is common among teenagers
I used my Dsis's when I was underage.
Friend needs to phone the pub, say she lost it, ask was it handed it or request a new one.

[NeverDropYourMoonCup]

@Puffalicious

She will not go to prison, OP 🙄 nor will it affect her UCAS application 😆

The judgy crew are out in full force tonight. They're probably still uptight from their boring younger years🤣

I'll go out on a limb: I bought my DS 17 his fake ID. £45 and it's bloody good. I have no qualms at all. So sue me.

Interesting. Fake driving license? They're obtainable fairly easily through organised crime. Real fake driving license? Those, too. Tenner to the person taking the test, tenner to the person letting them take the test, twenty five profit to the men with the guns. Multiply by the number of test centres, the number of days they're open per week, multi million pound business.


It's handy for them to make some money from people hard of thinking. It lessens the proportion of their income that comes from providing ID to terrorists, people traffickers and supporting slavery. Which means they usually claim in court that they're just supplying kids wanting to get into pubs to get a shorter sentence and not have the bigger gangs interested in what they've admitted.

[slashlover]

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-guidance-to-help-pubs-clubs-and-shops-spot-fake-id

It is a criminal offence to use false or borrowed ID to gain entry to licensed premises or to buy alcohol. The penalties for doing so can lead to a maximum punishment of £5,000 and 10 years imprisonment. It is also an offence to serve alcohol to anyone under the age of 18 and can lead to a maximum fine of £10,000 or premises being shut down.

[Obecalp]

Because only one of them owned the ID, was responsible for what happened to it, and would have to replace it if it was lost

Yes, the one who lent it out, not the one who used it as a fake ID. Which is why I don't understand posters saying that the one who borrowed it should pay the whole price.

[Obecalp]

Because only one of them was benefiting from it

So? If I lend ID to someone as a fake ID and they get busted, surely it's more my responsibility because it's my ID I chose to let someone use only for those purposes...

[Obecalp]

her friend got no vendor at all out of this so she shouldn’t be out of pocket.

She knew the risk when she lent it out though. She was willing to risk her ID being confiscated. That's all on her. She could have said no to her friend borrowing it.

[Unreasonabubble]

@NeverDropYourMoonCup

It's handy for them to make some money from people hard of thinking.

I think I love you...

[PurpleOkapi]

@Obecalp

Because only one of them owned the ID, was responsible for what happened to it, and would have to replace it if it was lost

Yes, the one who lent it out, not the one who used it as a fake ID. Which is why I don't understand posters saying that the one who borrowed it should pay the whole price.

Right. I misunderstood which one you meant. But even if OP's DD pays for the replacement, the friend will still have to do the work of sorting it out, going for a replacement if it can't be done online, and do without having one for however long it takes. So I think it more or less evens out.

[trappedsincesundaymorn]

The barman is actually breaking the law, he cannot keep the license. Find out which bar and I'd go in and tell them you want it back or you're reporting them to trading standards and or the police

How do you think those conversations will pan out?

"Hello Police? Yeah I'd like to report a barman for confiscating my fake ID and is refused to give it back and now I can't buy alcohol until I'm 18".

"Hello Trading standards? Yeah I'd like to report a pub that refused to sell me alcohol on account that I had fake ID. They won't give it back now so the person whose ID it was now has to get a new licence or go in person to retrieve it."