Ffs my dd just had friend's license confiscated!

[1lifeliveitright]

17 yr dd (18 next month) went out with a couple of friends tonight. In the 2nd bar she was asked for id and handed over a friend's provisional. The real document but it's not hers. Anyway it was taken off her and the bar man refused to give it back. Even after speaking to his supervisor. Dd left but now has no Id anymore and her friend has lost her actual license. I appreciate they have both committed an offence in doing this but how does she get it back?! I tried to warn her of the dangers of doing this but she's done it several times before and of course she knows best!

[LawnFever]

The barman is actually breaking the law, he cannot keep the license. Find out which bar and I'd go in and tell them you want it back or you're reporting them to trading standards and or the police.

To be fair to him it’s clearly not her dd’s ID so I don’t think he’s in the wrong. Reporting to anyone when she was trying her luck with blatant fake ID is a really daft suggestion.

[tttigress]

Mean to read didn't need fake id

[Stuckhere2021]

@1lifeliveitright

17 yr dd (18 next month) went out with a couple of friends tonight. In the 2nd bar she was asked for id and handed over a friend's provisional. The real document but it's not hers. Anyway it was taken off her and the bar man refused to give it back. Even after speaking to his supervisor. Dd left but now has no Id anymore and her friend has lost her actual license. I appreciate they have both committed an offence in doing this but how does she get it back?! I tried to warn her of the dangers of doing this but she's done it several times before and of course she knows best!

Yeah my DD and her friends all did this - my DD doesn’t drink alcohol but wanted into pubs and clubs with her friends who were literally days or weeks older. So @Unreasonabubble, it doesn’t necessarily turn them into alcohol abusers!

[LawnFever]

@tttigress

In my day (very early 90s), you did need a fake id. I cringe when I think that we must have looked like children going to the bar, and getting served no problems!!

So true! We went in once early doors to our ‘local’ and ordered a round of double vodkas, the barman asked if we were celebrating? …we told him ’yeah our GCSEs’ and he never batted an eyelid 😆

[NoDecentHandlesLeft]

www.safeguardingsheffieldchildren.org/sscb/children-licensed-premises/false-id/print

According to this, using fake ID can get it seized and reported to police. I don't believe the barman is in the wrong. I also don't believe the police would actually prosecute, but who knows?

[BarbaraofSeville]

From the bar's point of view, they were simply protecting themselves from the threat of having their licence taken away for serving underage drinkers.

It's not the same as when those of us in our 30/40/50s were that age, it's so much more strictly enforced these days. My sister is 2 years younger than me and the second I was 18, she was out drinking as a 16 YO with my birth certificate as 'proof' of age. You'd never get away with a scrappy bit of paper with no photo on it as ID for anything these days on its own.

[TSSDNCOP]

DD pays the friend to replace it.

Occupational hazard.

[Kirby30]

This is very common and was something nearly everyone I knew did when I was the same age (about 8 years ago). Quite surprised at how outraged a lot of the reactions are on here.

The general agreement used to be that if the ID was lost or stolen then the borrower would cough up the £20 for the replacement. The police won’t be interested as some suggest.

[Sinthie]

Wow people are harsh. Things have changed since my day - I didn’t even need a fake id, heavy make-up and heels were enough 😆

[Unreasonabubble]

@Stuckhere2021 your DD is one in a million then. Good on her for never drinking alcohol. The trouble is with the "youngsters" is that they all want to be the same as their friends and if one drinks, they normally all drink for fear of being the weird one.

[TSSDNCOP]

The Barman isn't at fault. He's just stopped an UAD in her tracks in his bar. He's probably got 50 in his till and it serves as a warning to the next kids who think they're more clever than him.

DD got caught out. Time to pay the piper.

Come on though, who amongst us hasn't tried it on?

[NoSquirrels]

She hasn't dare tell the friend yet. Probably paying or going halves on a new one maybe the answer.

‘Going halves on a new one’ is NOT the answer- your DD pays to replace, of course. It’s your DD’s responsibility to replace, her friend got no vendor at all out of this so she shouldn’t be out of pocket.

[NoDecentHandlesLeft]

Friend agreed to lend her official state ID, hopefully she was aware that someone else using it could lead to it being seized- if not, she is now. I think halves is fair if she can't get it back.

[TSSDNCOP]

I didn’t even need a fake id, heavy make-up and heels were enough

And a pert cleavage winning smile

[PurpleOkapi]

They're not going to give it back to her because, real or not, they know it's not hers. If her friend goes in and asks for it, they'll give it back to the friend unless they have reason to think it's fake. Friend should bring along some other verification of her identity and age. If her friend really gave her permission to do this, then there's no reason to worry about telling her, because she had to know this might happen.

[Rachie1973]

Lol I was in the pubs at 15. I wouldn’t have been able to persuade my 19 year old crush that I was 17 otherwise!

I’m not an alcoholic, and I’ve not shared the story to my kids of the local policeman coming in, seeing me and raising his eyebrows before quietly leaving. My Dad lol. Gave me a right telling off when I got home and asked me to go out of his beat next time.

She tried it on, it failed. It’s not the huge drama people seem to think it is. She should pay to replace and look back and laugh.

[Stuckhere2021]

[quote Unreasonabubble]@Stuckhere2021 your DD is one in a million then. Good on her for never drinking alcohol. The trouble is with the "youngsters" is that they all want to be the same as their friends and if one drinks, they normally all drink for fear of being the weird one.[/quote]
She’s not really - a lot of her group don’t drink alcohol - I’d say about a third of them. My DD tells me lots of her age group don’t drink (she’s now 21) as it’s “too messy” and they rather do cocaine. Thankfully she doesn’t as she is shit scared of drugs.

[nanbread]

@Obecalp

They both did something morally wrong that lead to one of them losing their ID, why should only one pay the price for it?

Because only one of them was benefiting from it

[GreenLakes]

@Unreasonabubble

Ime it is the DC whose parents don’t allow them to touch alcohol until they’re 18 who end up having issues with it in later life!

[Unreasonabubble]

[quote GreenLakes]@Unreasonabubble

Ime it is the DC whose parents don’t allow them to touch alcohol until they’re 18 who end up having issues with it in later life![/quote]
Well we can always agree to disagree. I never said DC should not have alcohol until they are 18, what I disagreed with was DC using false ID to get into clubs that sell alcohol and where DC, if they get in, will drink it. Do not tell me that DC will NOT drink alcohol when they get into a club. They would be called a geek or worse... Pack animals ring a bell?

My opinion is that if you encourage those to break the law, then don't be surprised when they do later in life. Hey ho!

P.S. What does Ime stand for?

[WeAllHaveWings]

They obviously shouldn't confiscate without your dd permission, but if she had the choice of waiting for the police to come and confiscate or the bar confiscating what would she have chosen?

Remember these licensed premises can get into a lot of trouble for serving people under age, she got caught and needs to deal with the consequences.

[StringsnThings]

They aren't going to give it back to your Dd, it's not hers! They might give it back to her friend

The problem is these days it's quite easy to prove your ID is yours, and therefore prove it's not yours. If there's doubt providing a bank card, or something on your phone to say 'this is my ID'. If there's doubts it's quite easy for the bouncer to say show me something else.

If your Dds friend can't get it back, your DD'll have to pay for a new one. Its a risk you take

[PurpleOkapi]

They both did something morally wrong that lead to one of them losing their ID, why should only one pay the price for it?

Because only one of them owned the ID, was responsible for what happened to it, and would have to replace it if it was lost

[Bouledeneige]

My DD did this and paid her friend £20 for the replacement. Still I heard there's a backlog at DVLA so the replacement may take some time. Leave your DD to sort it out.

[Bouledeneige]

Its happened to most kids who are young in the year. My two have birthdays in late July and August so had a few problems in their last year of 6th form and inter-railing after A levels.