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Mother in Law

127 replies

Rach16785 · 25/10/2021 22:23

So my mother in law has not been the best mother to my dh. His parents divorced at 15 and he moved in with his Dad. Since we got together 8 years ago I encouraged a relationship with his Mum which he now has (he's now 38). We have 4 young children and she barely does anything to help, if we ask for a babysitter she'll say yes but be home by 9pm as this suits her new boyfriend and she only agrees to this once every 3 months if we're lucky. My parents have my younger children on Mon and Tues as we both work full-time so we don't take this for granted. This weekly parents are not only having the 3 Yr old and 6 month old but also our 4 and 5 year old as its half term. The elder 2 are in holiday club Wed and Thurs and as dh had just started his new job he is unsure of finish time. I finish at half 5 and holiday club finishes at half 4. To help for the 2 days he has asked his mum (who only works until half 2) if as a back up she could collect the kids. She doesn't drive so has basically said no and I've seen a message she sent to him saying 'she should have thought about this but all she cares about is being close to her parents'. Basically blaming me. I'm furious and expect him to have my back. My choice of house is nothing to do with where my parents are but a choice of the best area. My mil lives in a rough area. Opinions more than welcome

OP posts:
Terminallysleepdeprived · 26/10/2021 07:48

@Rach16785 she should not be slagging you off. That is cruel and unnecessary.

However. She is not unreasonable to say no to minding your kids. As nice as it would be for her to want to you said yourself she was a crap mum so you shouldn't have expected her to be a great grandma.

Ultimately you chose to have 4 kids, your dh has chosen to switch jobs without first ensuring that you had childcare in place. That is on the 2 of you and you need to resolve yourselves without the expectation of help from family.

Can you finish early and make up hours on days your mum has the children?

Can you book leave?

Can dh delay the start date of his new job?

Cyw2018 · 26/10/2021 07:48

You and your DH chose to have a large family, you and your DH should have thought about childcare logistics before having so many kids. Your MIL is not responsible for your decisions.

Goawaymorningsickeness · 26/10/2021 08:03

I’m sorry but it was your choice to have four children. You should have thought about how you were going to care for them all and fit in working before you continued having them. It’s not up to your mother in law to provide care. You knew already she wasn’t a great mother according to your husband, so why would you think she’d want to child mind for you.

TheBlackArt · 26/10/2021 08:08

@R0tational

Sounds super tough, OP! Good on you working hard to look after your kids. It sounds like you have lovely parents. Focus on them and forget about your MIL - how does your DP feel about her now? I dont think I would want to give up a precious fortnightly Sunday seeing her anymore tbh...

Childcare and managing clubs is the worst. Sounds like you have a fair few years of it yet. Not sure how you afford it, so expensive too :(

Good luck and take care.

What has the MIL actually done wrong though?
Theunamedcat · 26/10/2021 08:10

Your right she shouldn't be blaming you for what's happening here your DH should have your back and stick up for you my concern would be just how long has she been dripping poisen in his ear and why (as he knows her so well) is he listening to her

Iwonder08 · 26/10/2021 08:15

4 kids.. You have a setup that relies heavily on external (unpaid) help and complain that someone is not willing to provide it. Also I strongly dislike your 'I encouraged DH' s relationship with his mum '.. You are interfering in something that is none of your business.
It is also utterly ridiculous to complain about your MIL but at the same time expect her to provide childcare.

CoolOven · 26/10/2021 08:19

you don't ask too much of her and accommodate her wishes by babysitting only till.9pm occasionally

How is that accommodating mil's wishes? She's still doing them a massive favour, just within her own boundaries*

imonlyhooman · 26/10/2021 08:29

Your kids, your problem!

ThatsNiiice · 26/10/2021 08:53

Can you say ENTITLED?

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 26/10/2021 14:05

Nah. I've read the full thread. Twice.

Still think you're entitled. In fact I can't believe that you think we're all getting the wrong end of the stick.

Your opening sentence is instantaneously MIL blaming and fault finding with the fact that DH went to live with his dad. WTAF their divorce has to do with this I don't know.
It's like, 'my ex friend, she had a baby at 14 dontcha know, told me she couldn't babysit at the weekend even though she has nothing better to do!'. Jesus wept.

Her opinion of you is clearly similar to that of yours of her. C'est la vie.
She does not owe anyone child care.

Cherrysoup · 26/10/2021 14:19

Childcare is not automatic just because she’s related. I think you should not expect anything from her.

PinkSyCo · 26/10/2021 15:38

It was your choice to have so many children in quick succession and it is your MIL’s choice not to want to offer you free childcare. 🤷🏻‍♀️

NCforsafety · 26/10/2021 16:00

@Rach16785

We are literally only asking for 45 minutes for 2 days in half term!!
And she is literally only saying no.

Which is her entitlement.
And very hypocritical of you to mind her slagging you off to her son whilst are you are doing to a far larger group of internet strangers.

Your kids, your problem. You sound like you massively take advantage of your own parents and are pissed off that your MIL won't toe your party line like your parents do.

jamandmarmalade · 26/10/2021 18:08

So my mother in law has not been the best mother to my dh. His parents divorced at 15 and he moved in with his Dad. Since we got together 8 years ago I encouraged a relationship with his Mum which he now has (he's now 38). (were you hoping she would be around to babaysit for your benefit?) We have 4 young children and she barely does anything to help (not true but equally she doesn't need to), if we ask for a babysitter she'll say yes but be home by 9pm as this suits her new boyfriend and she only agrees to this once every 3 months if we're lucky - perhaps you would appreciate this very valuable time of hers if she cut it completely. You are lucky you get any of this some parents don't. My parents have my younger children on Mon and Tues as we both work full-time so we don't take this for granted yes you are comparing MIL to them and they've spoiled you. This weekly parents are not only having the 3 Yr old and 6 month old but also our 4 and 5 year old as its half term. The elder 2 are in holiday club Wed and Thurs and as dh had just started his new job he is unsure of finish time.(that's DH problem not MIL) I finish at half 5 and holiday club finishes at half 4. To help for the 2 days he has asked his mum (who only works until half 2) her hours of work and her free time are of no concern to you if as a back up she could collect the kids. She doesn't drive so has basically said no and I've seen a message she sent to him (why are you looking at his messages?) saying 'she should have thought about this but all she cares about is being close to her parents' That's because MIL has picked up on your childish selfish attitude and can see they have spolied you and she is not going to be organised by you. Basically blaming me (you rely on them for regular childcare and you chose 4 kids). I'm furious and expect him to have my back (that's not MIL problem that is between you and DH). My choice of house is nothing to do with where my parents are but a choice of the best area. My mil lives in a rough area (You look down your nose at her and expect her to provide 45mins twice in one week as a contingency. You should not have assumed MIL will pick up after her 2.30pm end of work.). Opinions more than welcome (You have a lot of growing up to do. MIL has got the measure of your attitude as have the majority of posters here). I think MIL deserves more respect and to be left alone as regards child care. Leave her alone she has done more than enough to date for you.

Bananarama21 · 26/10/2021 19:32

jamandmarmalade Well said 👏

User112 · 26/10/2021 20:06

Sounds like you encouraged him to have a relationship with his mom for more childcare options? Your parents are doing a lot TBH. Why don’t you get a nanny to cover all 4 kids?

HouseOfFire · 26/10/2021 20:30

@Rach16785

That's what we always did. But DH has decided he wants to work days. My parents help out for him to do that but his won't which is very frustrating. I used to walk in at half 4 and he would go straight to work. He refuses to do that anymore and my point is his mother therefore shouldn't blame me when we need additional support
Well your DH has decided he wants to change things, without sorting out his childcare needs?
HouseOfFire · 26/10/2021 20:32

Try reading and you would see that we go to spend every other Sunday at hers. Stop judging offhand a story

Read properly and get a clue. You are clearly not capable of getting the original point

well if you speak to her like that, then I'm not surprised she doesnt want to look after your children

DeepaBeesKit · 26/10/2021 20:36
  1. babysitting kids once every 3 months is quite a lot, how bloody often would you expect
  2. picking up young children via public transport is a real faff, unless you live in London and even then it massively depends where you are going to & from and the bus/train routes. It's a big ask.
DeepaBeesKit · 26/10/2021 20:38

Oh and 3) your MiL is still working herself. It's really hard to add in childcare help on top of your own work.

jamandmarmalade · 26/10/2021 22:04

@Bananarama21 Thank you. I think @Graphista did a better job upthread but I have said my piece.

Anyway what went on in MIL relationship with her son / custody or past divorce is irrelevant to a discussion about childcare and MIL text response.

I think OP is kidding herslef that this is not about childcare ultimately..

SummerBluez · 26/10/2021 22:08

You get a crazy amount of help from your own parents, it's not the norm. Expecting it from your mil too is very entitled.

Graphista · 26/10/2021 22:40

@jamandmarmalade I loved your post! Take compliments where you find them

Thank you for the "honourable mention" as it were

@SummerBluez op gets a LOT Of help and doesn't seem to really appreciate it or even consider that even if her parents are saying they don't want her to reduce how much they do with it affecting their health it would be the kind thing to do I think

I'm probably closer in age to the grandparents in this scenario at 49, I absolutely CANNOT do what I could when I was a nanny/childminder/dd was little. Admittedly I'm disabled but I talk to friends and family with these sort of commitments and they often daren't say to the parents "it's a bit much" - sometimes as they worry that there will be more practical or financial pressure on the parents, sometimes because they fear the parents or at least one of them will take offence and use the children as pawns - which I've seen happen too sadly. I'm afraid I can well imagine the op falls towards the latter category.

I've seen the heartbreak of "well if you don't want to be a PROPER granny that's fine we won't see you at all then!"

My generation mostly I feel and certainly my mothers were expected to just get on with it! And if they had dc then they were the ones had to consider childcare - either paid or work part time/sah but then the other parent had to be earning enough to facilitate that.

I say certainly my mothers as I feel hers was really the first generation where grandmothers were staying in work in their 50's and 60's and beyond - mostly out of necessity.

My mums mum didn't retire until 65 by which point half the grandkids were past needing childcare and I was about to leave school!

My dads mum LOVED her job and didn't retire until her 70's by which point almost all her grandkids were teens and older

They simply weren't available to do anything but occasional/emergency childcare

In addition my dad was army so we weren't living near family or even close friends. There wasn't any choice except paid for and mum worked or she stayed at home. As it was the way my parents mostly worked it is mum did jobs that were eve/nights like bar work, late shift shelf stacking, office cleaning etc so that dad watched us of an eve (he had fairly much "office hours" except if he was deployed or on a duty) if he got deployed mum would quit for that period...but in the confident knowledge that when he got back she would soon get another job, this was late 70's early 80's when uk was doing ok economically in that respect. Or she took temp eve work. Some places if there was someone mum knew well they'd figure out between them a shared arrangement and each woman would work part time and they'd work their hours around each other and reciprocate on childcare.

When I split from ex I was stuck! He was also army so no family or friends nearby (we'd only been there about 4 months!) we were in a quarter so that meant I lost my home too, I was very naive in many ways back then being a Sahm with no savings etc it was a steep learning curve I'll say! And that was with one child!

I'd been childminding but knew the marriage was failing so gradually reduced my numbers and then closed the business as I didn't know where I'd end up and if my new home would be ok for childminding. Had to claim benefits initially, got a ha house (luckily quite a nice one in a nice area) with help from (Tory!) Mp as council were being arses and saying they'd no obligation to house dd and I as "no connection to the area" but I couldn't afford to move to where my family were I couldn't even afford to visit them!

Luckily found a decent nursery for dd, got a full time job and booked her in at the nursery and then with the nursery hours I used to have to leave work on the dot every night (that went down well!) and belt it to the bus (ex had grabbed the car in a "midnight raid") soon as I got off the bus, belt it along to the nursery to get her in time. I got very fit! Grin

I was knackered most of the time it was very much a grind cracking on with it all. But dd was my responsibility and ex was fucking useless he was too busy pretending he was a born again teenager going out clubbing and to gigs and concerts at all hours and barely making it into work most days, hungover/drunk all weekend etc

Just as dd was starting school I went back to uni, the aim being to develop a career that would work around her, unfortunately that idea was kiboshed when I ended up hit in the car by some numpty on their phone! Hence disabled now.

I hope op has contingency plans for her and the 4 dc in the event not only of a split but if oh becomes incapacitated or dies or if she does...you never know.

I didn't expect to be a disabled single parent at the age of 35!

She is VERY lucky to have all the help from her parents but they are able to do less as they get older and health starts failing.

jamandmarmalade · 27/10/2021 14:55

@Graphista you are welcome!

If you can do it on your own and with an unexpected disability then OP could learn from this too. The biggest takeaway being that however many kids you bear/job you work/finances/healthy/relatives/external pressures you have that you are you never know what's around the corner and yes one day you may have to do it on your own, there may well be ill health/disability and without family either nearby or willing or capable to help.

jamandmarmalade · 27/10/2021 14:56

@graphista forgot to say thank you too.