So if the Minimum Wage increases...

[missbunnyrabbit]

My own wage in a public sector job seems lower than ever. The article I read suggests the public sector pay freezes will end, but I doubt we'll get such a large pay rise!

Aibu to feel like packing my teacher job in to go and work a minimum wage job instead?

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

So everyone should be the same level without any supervisors etc? I'm sure that would work well, everyone can sort their own HR stuff out, no one have overall responsibility for stuff so it's a free for all and everyone can fend for themselves training wise not at all but justifying poor wages by saying but this person earns less is a depressing race to the bottom. Defend your right to earn more dont just keep others down.

The poster was reasonably saying that if their staffs wages increase, so should the supervisors who have a lot more responsibility; otherwise what's the incentive to take on more stress? None. That's not saying keep everyone's wages down, but that others should have theirs proportionately raised too.

@Moaningturtle

Tesco made over a billion in profit last year. That’s a huge huge huge amount of money. They can afford to reduce the shareholders profits slightly.

They won't though, they'll just put the prices up and/or sack a few people (or not replace them if they leave).

Shareholder profits cannot, under any circumstances, be reduced so employees have fair working conditions. Those shareholder fund managers have to earn their millions each year.

@ColinTheKoala it’s so depressing

Also, as harsh as it is, fashion retail doesn’t have the same level of security that food retail does. It’s highly unlikely Asda will go out of business, but we’ve seen what’s happened with Topshop, Gap etc. It just doesn’t have the same security

Good points made here. I did work in a library for a bit though, not earning much above minimum wage and although I thought there was a fair amount of responsibility for the few pence above minimum wage that I earned, it wasn't a stressful job. Close the door, go home and don't worry about it. Of course there is always the risk of losing your job but that's the case in most sectors I think.

The poster was reasonably saying that if their staffs wages increase, so should the supervisors who have a lot more responsibility; otherwise what's the incentive to take on more stress? None. That's not saying keep everyone's wages down, but that others should have theirs proportionately raised too my bosses wages dont naturally increase if I get a rise

Yep, minimum rage is going up - our costs are mainly wages and fuel - currently trying to negotiate 15-20% price rises with our customers. If we can't do that then it's either less staff - or thank you and good night. we are part of the supply chain so guessing prices will be rising everywhere add to that the 1.25% in both employers and employees NI.

Thanks to Covid and being caught in the middle of the support we are already on our knees so guessing 20 people going to be losing some or all of their jobs.

And that's before we had in the kick we've had from Brexit prior to this.

time to jack it in it's not worth the stress - get one of those lazy ass public sector jobs who seem to get away with creating chaos, delivering fuck all and then having massive pensions.

Shareholder profits cannot, under any circumstances, be reduced so employees have fair working conditions. Those shareholder fund managers have to earn their millions each year.

This is the problem with the system. And the profits have to grow each year.

The poster was reasonably saying that if their staffs wages increase, so should the supervisors who have a lot more responsibility; otherwise what's the incentive to take on more stress?
I quit teaching when the salary dropped low enough that I wasn’t getting paid enough to compensate for all the extra stress and hassle. I lost £4.5k by leaving teaching for a min wage job. But I only had to work 40 hours for 46 weeks instead of 60 hours for 39 weeks, so I was working a heck of a lot less hours overall and I had zero hassle.

People just aren’t going to take extra responsibility unless they’re getting extra money. A while ago I was asked to train a new employee, and I said no because I’m paid the same as her but I have the extra hassle of training her, why should I do more work for the same money? That’s just human nature.

@lovelyupnorth

Yep, minimum rage is going up - our costs are mainly wages and fuel - currently trying to negotiate 15-20% price rises with our customers. If we can't do that then it's either less staff - or thank you and good night. we are part of the supply chain so guessing prices will be rising everywhere add to that the 1.25% in both employers and employees NI.

Thanks to Covid and being caught in the middle of the support we are already on our knees so guessing 20 people going to be losing some or all of their jobs.

And that's before we had in the kick we've had from Brexit prior to this.

time to jack it in it's not worth the stress - get one of those lazy ass public sector jobs who seem to get away with creating chaos, delivering fuck all and then having massive pensions.

Do you feel that somehow your staff owe you a living or a business? If you can't afford to pay yours staff the bare minimum then your business has become unviable, you said the costs were mostly wages and fuel, mostly?

Employers have had it too good for too long, people need to be paid enough to live not paid just enough to not starve and in turn be exploited enough to make someone else richer, you are selling your time to your employer, an hour of my time is worth this much, and settle for no less if a majority would do that we would as a society be in a better place, we called call them a union of people...oh wait the Tories have gotten rid of a lot of union power and society is now suffering because of it

Remember through lockdown how we all were clamouring for share holders, and hedge fund managers....oh wait why are they important when lockdown showed us who was important to stop this country grinding to a halt how easy we forget

@OnlyFoolsnMothers

The poster was reasonably saying that if their staffs wages increase, so should the supervisors who have a lot more responsibility; otherwise what's the incentive to take on more stress? None. That's not saying keep everyone's wages down, but that others should have theirs proportionately raised too my bosses wages dont naturally increase if I get a rise

I'm not sure if you are being purposefully obtuse or not, but usually if pay rises are awarded or if there's some sort of payment spine it applies to everyone at some point during the year, it's quite unusual to get a pay rise in isolation. In cases such as supermarkets where there might just be 50p between both, this could feasibly now just be pennies, if that, and already most struggle to find team leaders as people already think the extra worth isn't worth it. As a manager I would step down if I was going to be paid the same. Do you earn more than your bosses then?

@whispamint

Shareholder profits cannot, under any circumstances, be reduced so employees have fair working conditions. Those shareholder fund managers have to earn their millions each year.

This is the problem with the system. And the profits have to grow each year.

Considering most firms are owned by pension schemes, then yes, profits do have to increase so that they can pay the pensions!

If you can't afford to pay yours staff the bare minimum then your business has become unviable, you said the costs were mostly wages and fuel, mostly?

Yes lots of small businesses will fold, many of which either perform an important role within a supply chain of another product, or a valuable service such as nurseries.

I think this govt isn't stupid. Raising the rebranded minimum/ living wage means they get to claw more back in NI. The rest disappears on the increased cost of living and they get to pat themselves on the back for "levelling up". In reality they won't move any of the benefit thresholds upwards to accommodate a "higher" living wage so actually those on the least will lose out more because they'll tip out of the threshold levels.

@delilahbucket exactly as will most small business so its in one hand out the other

@Teaandcakeordeath83

I think this govt isn't stupid. Raising the rebranded minimum/ living wage means they get to claw more back in NI. The rest disappears on the increased cost of living and they get to pat themselves on the back for "levelling up". In reality they won't move any of the benefit thresholds upwards to accommodate a "higher" living wage so actually those on the least will lose out more because they'll tip out of the threshold levels.

Precisely. I doubt many people are adverse to people being better off, but many people won't be, and the people on benefits will suffer most when the price of everything gets pushed up. It really isn't as simple as pay people more and they have a higher standard of living. It's a vote winner that the government doesn't actually have to do anything towards does it, it pushes the responsibility onto businesses which for big business fair enough, but there are lots of valuable smaller businesses which actually do suit some people and aren't by any means dead end jobs; that won't be able to stay open. Lots of small local businesses here offer great flexibility for staff, its not all about paying the least amount possible, but being part of an economy where people want stuff as cheap as possible and if it can't be provided, they'll import it in from abroad.

@User527294627 go away many businesses are just coping so if course large increases hit and thats a stupid thing to say
Even big companies are often on the brink and redunancies happen for this reason
Get in the real world

Im actually sat here reading this with my boyfriend, we can't believe how deluded some of you are

Do you think anyone cares what your boyfriend thinks? 😂😂😂

@Magicalwoodlands

effort doesn’t seem worth it

But you have already made the effort.

Do you seriously think that working as a care assistant, stacking shelves in Tesco, working in an Amazon warehouse, is somehow stress free and ‘easy’?

It isn’t. It’s hard, gruelling work, it often involves anti social hours (nights, evenings, weekends) no sick pay, no god forbid death in service benefit, no pension, no enhanced maternity pay, often dealing with very difficult situations and people.

I know there is a lot wrong with teaching and that it’s hard work, but as a minimum you’re on nearly 26,000. Minimum wage on a 40hour week isn’t that.

This^^ I've worked in shops, I've worked in care and I've worked as a Ta in schools, I know that's not a teacher so not out of school work but I got treated best at school(except by the headteacher), care I definitely didn't 'leave my work at work' I would be upset regularly, in shops I was always anxious because people can get so aggressive and nasty sometimes. I got paid best at the school, I got the best pension at the school and I got treated well, I also wasn't doing nights or weekends.

I>m confused. You're a teacher so you must be getting a decent wage, from what my friends tell me, unless you're not fully qualified. My daughter left after 12 years of excellent success at teaching, but was not qualified, the upper echelons of the school did not appreciate the work she put in. She's now exhausting herself doing care work. I don't know what's right for her. She's no less stressed. Difficult choice check your options carefully. Make sure you will be earning more.

The minimum wage has gone up so they put people above the level to receive benefits. As for a teacher suggesting she will go for a minimum wage job instead of a teachers salary I find laughable , teachers are on a much higher hourly rate than most jobs , I know they work very hard for it but so does everyone else 🤷‍♀️

I remember the last few times minimum wage has gone up people said the same that nursery’s wouldn’t survive. They did .

@Danikm151

I agree. It’s great that the minimum wage is going up but other wages aren’t increasing in line with this. you train and progress in the hope of a higher wage but the effort doesn’t seem worth it when that bridge between is even smaller.

This

Where on earth do people get the idea working in a supermarket is easy ?
Only someone who has never worked in one could ever think that.

I dont think working in a supermarket us easy. But they actually are advertising most of their roles at £9.50 an hour in my local ones anyway. Its mainly care work and nursery work that are actual minimum wage in my town.

not unreasonable but.....
watching on TV earlier it was all about
National Living Wage not
National Minimum Wage
I thought one was company kudos the other legal.... even if it was NMW I daresay there's a lot of exceptions