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WIBU to drop off 6 month old at nursery at 7 even though I don't start work til 9

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Katlow · 19/10/2021 07:51

Going back to work tomorrow and LO is 6 months old. He's going to nursery a maximum of 3 days a week but it's going to depend on how my husbands shifts fall. I've got no idea what to expect at drop off. I was considering dropping him off early to avoid the hustle and bustle as nursery have said its 'mad' in the morning.
I was thinking I could throw some joggers and a jumper on and drop him off at around 7/7.30 then come home and get ready for work properly.
But then he's woken up this morning (he's usually up at 7) and he's so happy to see me. I don't know how I'd feel about literally getting him up and dressed then straight out the door. :(
How long does nursery drop off usually take? To get in the building etc. I'm so nervous and feeling a little bit guilty.
Bonus points for any answers which tell me how much your 6 month old loved nursery.

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Marvellousmadness · 20/10/2021 23:41

Where i am there are 10 hour limits too.
But op. It only takes 5/10 minutes to drop your child so don't sweat it. Just do what you feel is right. There is no wrong answer really

StaryEyes1978 · 21/10/2021 04:32

@Holidaytan

You’ll have to collect by 5pm as 10 hours is the legal max time in nursery daily.
This isn't true. There is no legal limit to how long a child can be with a childcare provider.
copernicium · 21/10/2021 07:06

@SS1983 young children think differently to us complicated adults. They are very "in the moment". Just because they aren't sitting there saying they miss mummy, doesn't mean they don't love you. It just means they are having run right now and that's all their brain can deal with.

SS1983 · 21/10/2021 07:42

@copernicium thank you. I realise that and as long as they are happy wherever they are. I certainly see from my twins if they are not happy somewhere and / or with someone they show it and I can tell. So we try and adjust or remove from situation if needed. They are smarter than I probably realise I learned and show their emotions well.

I can tell they like nursery and the staff. But in general there is no wrong, if someone wants to send to a good nursery why are we made to feel bad about it. It’s a shame we get mum guilt from others, especially other mums. If OP gets a bit of time to get ready and feel better then I think that’s fine vs always running around like a headless chicken. I don’t think I was always the best for my babies when I was completely exhausted even though I was with them all the time. There is a lot that nursery can provide in terms of stimulation and development that I really can’t on my own.

BBOA · 21/10/2021 07:44

I’d personally want them in nursery for the shortest amount of time possible. I know it’s essential for many, as must be the case here, but I’m sorry I just don’t believe they ‘love it’. My experience anyway. At the end of the day you have to do what works and feels right for you. You’ll always have a divide on the topic, and not just because of financial status.Good luck going back to work. You will be fine!

Mummyto2rugrats · 21/10/2021 08:27

My two went from 9mths on dd 6mth on ds (due to uni) both loved it both never looked back both never cried I would leave the house 7am same time as DH as he walked them and I drove to work this meant he would get them there for 730am usually 1st there very few dropped as nursery was opening but he would then have to get back to get in his work van and head out.
Unfortunately it was then me picking up and due to working FT and uni PT that was usually 530/545 and we would be one of the few picking up that late but it was needs must to ensure I maintained my career. They were there 4 days a week and then one day a week it would be either me or DH that would have them doing a fortnightly flexible shift ( well until I got told I couldn't despite flexible working agreement ! But that's a whole other story as we worked for the same company and I was a level above him and paid £10k less Angry) Then it was DH and grandparents.

Our two loved it tbh the nursery was amazing the staff amazing it felt like home that's why we chose it we just got a vibe when we went in.

Now change in company and pandemic I work from home and though they are bigger I love that I can drop at school and pick up from school and flex my FT hours around that, would I do anything different now? Probably not as they loved it and transition to school was a breeze

But I get how you may feel about it all you can do is find what you are comfortable with xx

aqua0 · 21/10/2021 08:47

If this thread is for real, I can’t believe anytime would drop a baby at a nursery at 7am, just so they could do their make-up, etc! 7am! It will be pitch black and freezing these next few months. I mean, if you worked shifts and had to do this, then I guess needs must. But I can’t believe anyone would choose to this otherwise.

At six months, the baby is only forming a concept of himself / herself as separate to you. They are only just realising that they can be ‘abandoned.’ This is why this is the stage when separation anxiety can set in. From an adult point of view, you might find it easier to just tell yourself this is a ‘just a stage.’ Something happening ‘out of sight, out of mind.’ But think about it from the baby’s experience. This is extremely traumatic.

The baby’s brain is forming and what happens in these early months is the blueprint for their expectations and learned responses in later life.

I’m sure many nursery staff are lovely and do their best. But, when all is said and done, they are on next to MW. They will have kids if their own or other preoccupations. There is a lot of admin in that job that’s highly frustrating. They don’t ‘love’ your babies. It’s a job for them - and a hard one at that.

Your child will get used to the nursery environment because children adapt and they have to. What choice do they actually have? How can they rationalise what’s happening img to them?

7am to 6pm is an incredibly long day in an environment which, even in the nicest sense of the word, is an institution. Other babies crying in the background makes for an extremely stressful atmosphere for them. It only takes one to be ill or unsettled.

They will learn to explore the world using a keyworker as the ‘secure base’ instead of you for the time they are there. All children need a secure base to make sense of the world. It depends on the nursery and the key worker and how distracted they are by other babies / admin / their own preoccupations as to how this goes.

I’ve sat in playgroups and observed babies and toddlers as part of my training. You see the ones come in with the mums or the childminders who are in it for more than the money. The babies crawl or wander off, find a toy, and then turn round for affirmation from the mum. Or they might bring it over to show her and want it explained / recognised.

Then there are others who play in a much more insular way. They never turn round to see if the caregiver is watching them or interested because they have already learned this will not be the case. They already have the internal model that they cannot expect this validation. These ‘models’ set in early.

This is not meant to be ‘mum guilt’ as babies are resilient and will survive. But I don’t think we should underestimate the impact of an 11 hour day in a nursery setting. Look at it from the child’s point of view - not just what is easiest for the mum.

Hardbackwriter · 21/10/2021 09:15

I don't understand why the very anti-nursery posts are fixated on the hours - if nursery is a place where the baby will feel abandoned at best, at worst be physically and emotionally abused then it seems pretty beside the point whether a child goes for 8 or 11 hours a day?

Hardbackwriter · 21/10/2021 09:22

Incidentally I don't know why people are talking about 'more than 12 hours a day' as the longest nursery hours I've seen anyone on the thread mention is 7-6? The only nursery in my area that's even open that long is the one on the hospital site - 8-6 is a much more common opening pattern. There isn't anywhere around me that you could send a baby to for 13 hours a day.

navigationcentral · 21/10/2021 09:45

@Hardbackwriter

I don't understand why the very anti-nursery posts are fixated on the hours - if nursery is a place where the baby will feel abandoned at best, at worst be physically and emotionally abused then it seems pretty beside the point whether a child goes for 8 or 11 hours a day?
This is because hyperbole, extrapolation and emotiveness is an essential component of public discourse and online discourse particularly. Parenting has over time become an enormously morally charged arena - and there are specific topics - always centering on women's behaviour that generate these sort of discussions. Off the top of my head - these include -
  1. Childcare and return to work (as here)
  2. Infant feeding
  3. Infant sleep
  4. Infant weaning

There are other matters too - which draw out comparable discussions - around - alcohol in pregnancy, car seats, discipline etc - but the above really dominate the list.

The similarities underlying all of these is that women's behaviour (as incubators of babies, as feeders and rearers - and the maternal role in general) - is up for scrutiny, modification and tearing apart in a way like in no other realm of human life.

Ozanj · 21/10/2021 10:17

@Katlow

Going back to work tomorrow and LO is 6 months old. He's going to nursery a maximum of 3 days a week but it's going to depend on how my husbands shifts fall. I've got no idea what to expect at drop off. I was considering dropping him off early to avoid the hustle and bustle as nursery have said its 'mad' in the morning. I was thinking I could throw some joggers and a jumper on and drop him off at around 7/7.30 then come home and get ready for work properly. But then he's woken up this morning (he's usually up at 7) and he's so happy to see me. I don't know how I'd feel about literally getting him up and dressed then straight out the door. :( How long does nursery drop off usually take? To get in the building etc. I'm so nervous and feeling a little bit guilty. Bonus points for any answers which tell me how much your 6 month old loved nursery.
I own my own nursery - wouldn’t be a problem but most nurseries put babies and toddlers together early morning, so if you do want this you have to arrange it well in advance (so they can arrange appropriate staffing) as baby ratios are different to toddler ones. As a result you may not be allowed to chop and change the early starts if you later want to change them & if a nursery feels it isn’t working or baby isn’t eating breakfast they may also cancel it. We have babies as young as 3 months doing 7-6 so by itself it isn’t a problem.
Sheerdetermination · 21/10/2021 10:24

@aqua0 really interesting comments about your observations

SeenYourArse · 21/10/2021 10:40

@aqua0

If this thread is for real, I can’t believe anytime would drop a baby at a nursery at 7am, just so they could do their make-up, etc! 7am! It will be pitch black and freezing these next few months. I mean, if you worked shifts and had to do this, then I guess needs must. But I can’t believe anyone would choose to this otherwise.

At six months, the baby is only forming a concept of himself / herself as separate to you. They are only just realising that they can be ‘abandoned.’ This is why this is the stage when separation anxiety can set in. From an adult point of view, you might find it easier to just tell yourself this is a ‘just a stage.’ Something happening ‘out of sight, out of mind.’ But think about it from the baby’s experience. This is extremely traumatic.

The baby’s brain is forming and what happens in these early months is the blueprint for their expectations and learned responses in later life.

I’m sure many nursery staff are lovely and do their best. But, when all is said and done, they are on next to MW. They will have kids if their own or other preoccupations. There is a lot of admin in that job that’s highly frustrating. They don’t ‘love’ your babies. It’s a job for them - and a hard one at that.

Your child will get used to the nursery environment because children adapt and they have to. What choice do they actually have? How can they rationalise what’s happening img to them?

7am to 6pm is an incredibly long day in an environment which, even in the nicest sense of the word, is an institution. Other babies crying in the background makes for an extremely stressful atmosphere for them. It only takes one to be ill or unsettled.

They will learn to explore the world using a keyworker as the ‘secure base’ instead of you for the time they are there. All children need a secure base to make sense of the world. It depends on the nursery and the key worker and how distracted they are by other babies / admin / their own preoccupations as to how this goes.

I’ve sat in playgroups and observed babies and toddlers as part of my training. You see the ones come in with the mums or the childminders who are in it for more than the money. The babies crawl or wander off, find a toy, and then turn round for affirmation from the mum. Or they might bring it over to show her and want it explained / recognised.

Then there are others who play in a much more insular way. They never turn round to see if the caregiver is watching them or interested because they have already learned this will not be the case. They already have the internal model that they cannot expect this validation. These ‘models’ set in early.

This is not meant to be ‘mum guilt’ as babies are resilient and will survive. But I don’t think we should underestimate the impact of an 11 hour day in a nursery setting. Look at it from the child’s point of view - not just what is easiest for the mum.

This! All of this, they may as well be at ‘boarding nursery’ as they will be at nursery for far more hours a day than at home, maybe an hour and a half per day of being awake with their parent if they are lucky 😢 no doubt some on this thread would use overnight nurseries if they existed 🙄 I don’t understand why you’d go to the bother of having a baby to then pack them off to someone else to raise for 95% of their waking hours a day.
Beachbabe1 · 21/10/2021 10:52

This 👏 Really is shocking!! I could never leave my baby that's long. A 3 month old baby in nursery from 7-6pm!! WTAF!!

Hardbackwriter · 21/10/2021 10:53

@Navigationcentral I agree with every word of your post! The one in that list that always comes as the biggest surprise to me is infant sleeping - people get so vicious over it.

aqua0 · 21/10/2021 10:54

I’m sure many people are aware of this anyway, but Bowlby’s ‘The Secure Base’ is still very key to out understanding of attachment and the impact of this in terms of child development. It’s an easy read, or a quick Google will give a summary. Also interesting is Ainsworth’s (1978) ‘Strange Situation’ test (variations of this are still routinely used today) to test attachment patterns - secure, ambivalent, disorganised, etc and the impact of attachment on learning, emotional well-being and how a child forms relationships throughout life. There are obviously many factors that can inhibit secure attachment (I’m by no means suggesting it’s as simple as them going to nursery or not)! But the theory is definitely interesting to consider - especially if your baby goes through a particularly anxious phase, as it gives deeper perspectives on what they might be struggling with.

Ozanj · 21/10/2021 14:37

** I’ve sat in playgroups and observed babies and toddlers as part of my training. You see the ones come in with the mums or the childminders who are in it for more than the money. The babies crawl or wander off, find a toy, and then turn round for affirmation from the mum. Or they might bring it over to show her and want it explained / recognised.

Then there are others who play in a much more insular way. They never turn round to see if the caregiver is watching them or interested because they have already learned this will not be the case. They already have the internal model that they cannot expect this validation. These ‘models’ set in early.**

I own an Outstanding nursery and have decades of childcare experience as well as a child of my own. Attachment parenting is a child development theory, most of which is bullshit and misrepresented. and needs to be seperated from any attachment discussions from a psychological perspective.

I should point out that the ability to play independantly and meaningfully without constantly looking for adult interaction is also a sign of a high IQ, and it is something we do look for when trying to spot children that might need extra stimulation. And constantly looking for adult reassurance can also be a sign of ASD and other disorders that produce SEN.

whatstodo20 · 21/10/2021 14:56

When mine was a baby, I used to drop him at nursery on my way to work. I always arrived at work frazzled and stressed. If I had my time again, I'd definitely be doing as you've suggested and drop baby early. I'm sure I'd arrive at work much less stressed and I'm sure the drop of for baby would be a lot calmer and so better for them also.

saf1ya7 · 21/10/2021 15:00

Ozanj - I think you’re bound to say that though. It’s your business!

Mollymoostoo · 21/10/2021 19:11

@Katlow

Going back to work tomorrow and LO is 6 months old. He's going to nursery a maximum of 3 days a week but it's going to depend on how my husbands shifts fall. I've got no idea what to expect at drop off. I was considering dropping him off early to avoid the hustle and bustle as nursery have said its 'mad' in the morning. I was thinking I could throw some joggers and a jumper on and drop him off at around 7/7.30 then come home and get ready for work properly. But then he's woken up this morning (he's usually up at 7) and he's so happy to see me. I don't know how I'd feel about literally getting him up and dressed then straight out the door. :( How long does nursery drop off usually take? To get in the building etc. I'm so nervous and feeling a little bit guilty. Bonus points for any answers which tell me how much your 6 month old loved nursery.
My children loved nursery and it was great for their social development. I dropped off when it suited me so I wasn't rushed and I usually picked up just before closing time so I could nip to the shops or have a coffee in peace. It is tough being back at work and having that time to get ready will be a godsend to you
Offmyfence · 21/10/2021 20:38

My children loved nursery and it was great for their social development.
I dropped off when it suited me so I wasn't rushed and I usually picked up just before closing time so I could nip to the shops or have a coffee in peace.
It is tough being back at work and having that time to get ready will be a godsend to you

Could you not have had that coffee in peace after you dropped them off early or at lunchtime?

littlewoodenclogs · 22/10/2021 07:30

The OP is saying her baby will be there 3 days a week: thats 4 out of 7 days she is home with baby.

You wont be missing out on their best years by any means.

Its a great balance IMO

And they so gain so much from nursery. Nursey workers are trained professionals. They know what they're doing

DeborahAnnabel · 23/10/2021 23:21

Hell yes. I sent mine to nursery when they were 6 months just to have a day off. Then I went for lunch with friends and to the gym. No guilt here.

Katlow · 24/10/2021 23:40

Update!
I actually decided to drop baby off on the way to work. I just put him in his chair in the bedroom with some toys or (shock horror) put some dancing vegetables on the TV so I could get ready, he was fine. Was ready 40 mins before I had to drop him off so we then sat downstairs and I gave him some breakfast and then got him dressed once I'd wiped mango out of every orifice of his body.
Drop off took ten minutes, no tears, and I managed to get to work ten minutes early every day so I could sit and have a social media scroll before I turned on my computer for the day.
He got to nursery for around half 8.
I probably wouldn't feel guilty dropping him off earlier though now I know how much attention he gets every day and how happy he seems to be there!
Thanks all for your advice :)

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burrito · 25/10/2021 01:23

My experience is that my kids preferred earlier drop offs as it was quieter. They walked in to a calmer setting, got a bit a special time with staff. There were also routines in the kids that did early drop offs. By 8.30 it was always a bit more hectic.

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