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To think we should be protesting

747 replies

Jessieabs · 10/10/2021 20:08

For affordable childcare.

Why are we letting the government get away with the absolute joke that is childcare in the U.K.

Over 2k per month to send 2 kids to nursery seems like madness! There should absolutely be reform to this crazy state that we’re in. Surely a huge majority of the voting population have children/have grandchildren or plan to have children, but this issue is rarely talked about at election time!

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Dreamstate · 14/10/2021 19:04

@easterissland

Lol I do help with the taxes I already pay, do I support paying more taxes to subsidise a lifestyle choice, Heck no I don't. Doesn't mean I don't want to help at all.

Kolingpursey · 15/10/2021 16:45

your posts were particularly irritating given how radically opposed to it you seem to be despite knowing nothing about costs of childcare. may i ask where did you get your 50K salary cap from? and...you dont seem to be answering the other questions? thanks.

HesterAndPearlInBrightSunshine · 15/10/2021 16:59

Awful the amount of backwards, reactionary posts on here!!
All those posters bleating about subsidising lifestyle choices... How long before they start picking on the NHS? Presumably they also think they shouldn't pay for people with comorbidities brought on by poverty/poor lifestyle either...

HesterAndPearlInBrightSunshine · 15/10/2021 17:02

Access to affordable childcare is a cornerstone for more gender equality. Without it we're screwed as women. There should be a more social approach to this.

Dreamstate · 15/10/2021 17:54

@HesterAndPearlInBrightSunshine

Awful the amount of backwards, reactionary posts on here!! All those posters bleating about subsidising lifestyle choices... How long before they start picking on the NHS? Presumably they also think they shouldn't pay for people with comorbidities brought on by poverty/poor lifestyle either...
Noone ever said. I certainly didn't, I've said repeatedly im happy with the current taxes im opposed to paying more esp when that more being asked for is for someone's lifestyle choice.
CorianderAndCream · 15/10/2021 17:58

But it wouldn't be the government paying... it would be the taxpayers

Dreamstate · 15/10/2021 17:59

@Kolingpursey

your posts were particularly irritating given how radically opposed to it you seem to be despite knowing nothing about costs of childcare. may i ask where did you get your 50K salary cap from? and...you dont seem to be answering the other questions? thanks.
I never put a £50k cap on im using my own salary to point out how much in taxes I pay and that what I pay is more than what I cost this country in response to someone else post stating I cost this country more than I pay in taxes when that isnt even true.

Again I'm opposed to paying even more taxes to fund childcare not opposed to funding it entirely.

That's what this whole thread is about, OP wanting more subsidiaries which evidently means more taxes.

I don't care if you think my posts are irritating, I find it irritating child free single people pay subsidies to lots of groups of peolle and those groups don't even have the decency to be empathetic that we get naff all support back. At least if your gonna go begging for more mk ey from us you could acknowledge that your just here to take take take

InTheNameOfAllThatIsHonest · 15/10/2021 18:27

@CorianderAndCream

But it wouldn't be the government paying... it would be the taxpayers
Some people don't see beyond that though. Where will the money for the furlough scheme come from? And the money for any extra grants? And the funds for X, Y and Z? The government of course. They don't for a second wonder where the government is going to get that money from.
ArblemarchTFruitbat · 15/10/2021 18:55

I don't think it should fall on the government/taxpayer. Perhaps more flexibility from employers is a better answer, so two-parent-families can easily work around each other and minimise the need for childcare.

BreadPita · 15/10/2021 22:05

I do think child maintenance being increased and pursued more aggressively would be a step in a better direction than increasing taxation. A lot of people have given examples of single mothers of multiple children, relying on a single income.

ellyeth · 15/10/2021 22:09

There are some very smug, selfish people on here who seem to believe they are the only ones who work and pay tax.

Dreamstate · 15/10/2021 22:27

@ellyeth

There are some very smug, selfish people on here who seem to believe they are the only ones who work and pay tax.
There is only one group of people who pay tax and dont get anything back for doing so because of the choices they make whilst funding other peoples choices

We aren't smug or selfish. Selfish is asking other people to keep stumping up more money to fund your choices in life and asking them to support you in wanting to take more money from them.

MrsSkylerWhite · 15/10/2021 23:22

Dreamstate

There is only one group of people who pay tax and dont get anything back for doing so because of the choices they make whilst funding other peoples choices

We aren't smug or selfish. Selfish is asking other people to keep stumping up more money to fund your choices in life and asking them to support you in wanting to take more money from them.“

Sorry, don’t want to trawl through whole thread. If the group you are referring to are people without children, I agree with you. Why should they? (I have children).

Dreamstate · 15/10/2021 23:28

@MrsSkylerWhite

Dreamstate

There is only one group of people who pay tax and dont get anything back for doing so because of the choices they make whilst funding other peoples choices

We aren't smug or selfish. Selfish is asking other people to keep stumping up more money to fund your choices in life and asking them to support you in wanting to take more money from them.“

Sorry, don’t want to trawl through whole thread. If the group you are referring to are people without children, I agree with you. Why should they? (I have children).

Yes its single peolpe without children that I'm referring to who the majority clearly belive are selfish and smug people and basically a bank to go take more money from
MrsSkylerWhite · 15/10/2021 23:29

Absolutely agree, dreamstate.

Vitallyli · 15/10/2021 23:40

Don't the government want more people to be born and not to have aging population? New young educated people. In many countries childcare and education (uni) is paid by government / tax payers. I also think it's a basic thing like healthcare.

AveryGoodlay · 16/10/2021 00:21

Or just don't have children you can't afford? It enrages me that people in this country as so entitled that they think the government (taxpayer) should pay for their lifestyle choices. I have been on the receiving end of attitudes like this. My son was conceived by rape. I had to navigate the challenge of being a single mum, a rape survivor and a benefits claimant albeit also working. I also had to deal with being racially abused and being laughed at by police asking if I seriously expected an outcome and who would want my n c** because people "like me" are what's wrong with the country.

I strongly believe in heavily subsidised childcare. If nothing else then for the child.

Viviennemary · 16/10/2021 00:45

Childcare is already subsidised for lower earners through UC. And there is the 30 free hours scheme. I think that is perfectly adequate. I would not support higher taxes for further subsidies.

immersivereader · 16/10/2021 02:29

Live in Canada and childcare is subsidised. We pay $160 per month. PER MONTH. That's from 7am to 6pm, meals included. It's standardized as a well, targets to reach etc etc.

I have no complaints and am aghast at people in the UK paying £70 per DAY for their kids.

Absolutely begs belief.

Who is making all this money from these nurseries???? Who are these people?

Mymapuddlington · 16/10/2021 02:32

Can you wait a bit, there’s so much already going on.

immersivereader · 16/10/2021 02:33

If nothing else then for the child

^

Yup. They are the priority. In some families it's the daycare that saves the child. It's not just caring for the child, it's language acquisition, education, socialisation, nutrition.

Childcare is already subsidised for lower earners through UC. And there is the 30 free hours scheme. I think that is perfectly adequate.

^^
What about kidsunder the age of 3? What should people do then?? Let me guess, more women stopping at home. Glad you approve of that.

immersivereader · 16/10/2021 02:40

I'd be curious how many of the 'why should I pay for your family' posters expect taxpayers to fund their parents' social
care.

^

This. Cradle to grave. If it was £50 per day, per adult for care for the elderly there would soon be a turnaround in the law.

Clementineapples · 16/10/2021 02:58

What about kidsunder the age of 3? What should people do then?? Let me guess, more women stopping at home. Glad you approve of that.

God forbid someone chooses to bring a child into the world and actually looks after them themselves.

CMZ2018 · 16/10/2021 07:15

Don’t have kids if you can’t afford the associated costs

maddening · 16/10/2021 07:36

"TheNameOfAllThatIsHonest

LadyCampanulaTottington

I’m afraid I’m in the camp of “if you can’t afford them, don’t have them” or have one parent stay at home.

Exactly. Why should people who chose not to have children pay for yours?"

We have a worker shortage, 2 parents working and paying tax contributing to productivity and in to the tax system.

Those who choose not to have kids will be relying on the kids of those that do to work and pay tax to support their pensions in their old age, just as we are paying for the current pensioners, including their additional burden on the NHS. Those kids may also be the future carers, public service workers, doctors, nurses etc that provide services that Those who choose not to have kids rely on.

We have a mushrooming population graph as the life expectancy increases, you do need a certain level of birth rate otherwise you will have a lot of old people with a working population that can no longer financially support it.