To think we should be protesting

[Jessieabs]

For affordable childcare.

Why are we letting the government get away with the absolute joke that is childcare in the U.K.

Over 2k per month to send 2 kids to nursery seems like madness! There should absolutely be reform to this crazy state that we’re in. Surely a huge majority of the voting population have children/have grandchildren or plan to have children, but this issue is rarely talked about at election time!

It's a silly argument

I'm glad we agree then!

@EasterIssland some people can't afford to go to uni its not a choice for all

I don't like our current government but thank fuck there is absolutely no chance of them doing this

@EasterIssland exactly you can't use lifestyle choices as an argument.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@EasterIssland some people can't afford to go to uni its not a choice for all[/quote]
And some others can’t be arsed to study even if they can afford it.

@EasterIssland you also obviously don't understand sarcasm

@dongke yet you are as having children is also a lifestyle choice

@EasterIssland a cleaner working 40 hrs a week is working just as hard if not harder than some studying
Not everyone is academic , you still want your bins emptied and your toilet cleaned don't you ?

no I'm doing the opposite, I don't believe in the lifestyle choice argument.

I don't subscribe to the view that if you are a lower earner it's your fault or if you are unhealthy you shouldn't get NHS care. That's my whole point! 🤦🏻‍♀️

@lovecamealong

Wow. How out of touch with reality some of you are.

Until recently I worked full time in a minimum wage job. I'm a single parent through no fault of my own. That's £1220 a month wages by the way. To pay for everything for me and 2 DC - rent, council tax, gas, elec, travel, food, clothes, internet etc etc. How the fuck could I have afforded childcare without the childcare help from the government??

All this "don't have children if you can't afford them" - to those saying this, who the fuck is going to care for your elderly parents, clean your homes and businesses, deliver your food etc?? Should low paid workers not be allowed to have children now??

Dismayed by the attitude of some people in this country.

Robots will.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@EasterIssland a cleaner working 40 hrs a week is working just as hard if not harder than some studying
Not everyone is academic , you still want your bins emptied and your toilet cleaned don't you ? [/quote]
Guess you missed my ps.

What some of you are advocating on here is that the poorer should not get the help as the richer don't
The government isn't a business they get money from taxes so in order to subsidise childcare more than they already do taxes would have to rise for all
So that £20000 year family struggling to eat has even less , whilst the £100000 who can afford the childcare with a few changes gets richer
How can you think that is fair ?

@lovecamealong most on here are saying yes for help on these wages not help for 2 parent family that are both high tax payers thats the difference

Robots will.

Why aren't they using them now since we have a social care staffing crisis? Will they drive the HGVs too?

Whether people like it or not in the UK we will need more immigrants to deal with the ageing population. By 2030 1 in 5 people will be over 65, it's pretty scary.

@easterisland

of course I use the NHS, I also like people with children contribute to paying for it. Even for basic screening checks so its not right to say I'd never use the NHS!

And what other things am I subsiding i wont use? Of course certain benefits ro help vulnerable or disabled is something I don't begrudge

But parents wanting more subsidies can fuck off really.

Still doesn't answer my question..what do parents pay in taxes that ONLY single childfree people get?

....deafening silence from everyone

@dongke at 65 they will still be working though and not getting a state pension

Still doesn't answer my question..what do parents pay in taxes that ONLY single childfree people get?

I don't think there is anything specifically, has anyone claimed there was?

@dongke the hgv crisis is also caused by poor pay and conditions but its ok rather than address this we ca just get immigrants to work and accept the poor pay and conditions

@worriedatthemoment for how long though?

Probably until we drop.

I don't disagree with that

@worriedatthemoment

What some of you are advocating on here is that the poorer should not get the help as the richer don't The government isn't a business they get money from taxes so in order to subsidise childcare more than they already do taxes would have to rise for all So that £20000 year family struggling to eat has even less , whilst the £100000 who can afford the childcare with a few changes gets richer How can you think that is fair ?

Not myself. everyone should get some help with childcare (and don’t tell me again. About the 30h please as we’ve many said how it’s not really free) Introducing some banding depending on income would be good, where everyone could benefit from it.

A 20k earning family would get free childcare.
A 50k 50% off childcare
A 100k 25% childcare.
Or something like that , as said my sister taking home 50k between both of them only pays 300/month. Yet someone in the Uk would pay 1.2k or more for a child with that combined salary.

And tax wise , how can other countries with similar taxes be able to afford it but the uk can’t ?

However what many of you are saying is not to have children if you can’t afford it. Hence the 20k couple won’t have children as they can’t afford it. Whilst the 100k can have 3-4. How is this fair ?

but that means younger people are all paying more NI for something they are unlikely to receive themselves.

@dongke until 67 and then higher when they raise the state pension again
Birth rate in many countries is falling , large families in many countries are not the norm and being childfree is also more popular

However what many of you are saying is not to have children if you can’t afford it. Hence the 20k couple won’t have children as they can’t afford it. Whilst the 100k can have 3-4. How is this fair ?

Exactly, it doesn't make sense.