To think all men who travel should call 777 and have their GPS tracked and location checked?

[SummersOverSeasideTown]

As it says.
I'd be open to a curfew time, so men can travel during the day maybe, but at night they would have to log their journeys and expected arrival time.

IABU and men should continue to enjoy limitless freedoms and it should be women who have to call and be tracked.

IANBU and this is a reasonable solution to the alternative.

ARGGGHH. NO ONE IS SAYING MEN SHOULD BE TRACKED. Are people being wilfully stupid????

@Dhcfisssifjrsnxfjds The previous poster on my comment did.

@VenusTiger

I will add, I have been followed, driven away from home in a taxi and attempted rape in my early 20s.

Giving the whole class detention is simply not how the world works.

Don’t be daft. Detention is a punishment.

A lovely App to track where you are is merely a “safety measure”. Why wouldn’t men want this too?

The people commenting obviously haven't heard of the BT news story (like I hadn't) so perhaps it should have been included in the OP.

It's a disgrace suggesting women should be tracked for their own safety. I wouldn't use the service anyway even if I felt I was at risk walking somewhere because it would be too late by then wouldn't it?

Telling men not to murder and rape women is hardly going to work on the murderers and rapists is it? I have no idea what the solution is except a complete change in the way society sees women and that's not even going to stop some of them is it?

I don't think the OP is unreasonable to say well why shouldn't it be the perpetrators be tracked instead. But it's obviously unreasonable to lump all men together. Also who is going to argue for tracking anybody after the covid passport privacy outrage?

Sick of my husband, my Dad, my brothers, grandfathers and everybody else's all being tarred with the same brush!!!

Please see my previous post re: assault statistics.

Statistically you know at least one man who has harassed, abused, or assaulted a women. I can almost guarantee you that at least one of the other men you know has knowledge of his activities. Why don't they call each other out on it?

I used to have a job in a working men's club and I promise you that a lot of the "lovely" men are entirely different people when they're away from their families and in a room with their peers.

@Popcornriver

The people commenting obviously haven't heard of the BT news story (like I hadn't) so perhaps it should have been included in the OP.

It's a disgrace suggesting women should be tracked for their own safety. I wouldn't use the service anyway even if I felt I was at risk walking somewhere because it would be too late by then wouldn't it?

Telling men not to murder and rape women is hardly going to work on the murderers and rapists is it? I have no idea what the solution is except a complete change in the way society sees women and that's not even going to stop some of them is it?

I don't think the OP is unreasonable to say well why shouldn't it be the perpetrators be tracked instead. But it's obviously unreasonable to lump all men together. Also who is going to argue for tracking anybody after the covid passport privacy outrage?

@Popcornriver Its the fact the OP thinks ALL men should be tracked. Why should all men be tracked? Not all men rape and kill women!

@Clocktopus

Sick of my husband, my Dad, my brothers, grandfathers and everybody else's all being tarred with the same brush!!!

Please see my previous post re: assault statistics.

Statistically you know at least one man who has harassed, abused, or assaulted a women. I can almost guarantee you that at least one of the other men you know has knowledge of his activities. Why don't they call each other out on it?

I used to have a job in a working men's club and I promise you that a lot of the "lovely" men are entirely different people when they're away from their families and in a room with their peers.

@Clocktopus So because SOME not ALL men do those disgusting things, all men should be tarred with the same brush? Its getting to the point men won't help somebody in need as they'll be worried of being accused of something sinister.

Telling men not to murder and rape women is hardly going to work on the murderers and rapists is it? I have no idea what the solution is except a complete change in the way society sees women and that's not even going to stop some of them is it?

Less than 1% of reported rapes and sexual assaults are prosecuted so the message there is that if you do go out and rape someone, you're unlikely to be convicted. That needs to change.

Better investment in support services, in domestic abuse services, in intervention services, mental health services. Stop the problems before they start, early intervention is key.

Properly fund the police and have them get their house in order. Sarah's killer was a serving police officer and had a history of escalating offences, remove the systematic failures that allowed him to hide in plain sight, get rid of all those cut from the same cloth.

And that's just to start.

StarfishDish

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. I agree with you completely. I don't want my husband and teenage son lumped in with rapists and murderers. I voted YABU. I was trying to point out a first response feeling after reading the BT article would be well why should it be women being tracked, why not track the ones responsible? But genuinely believing all men should be treat as criminals is obviously unreasonable.

@Clocktopus Exactly! All the exasperated "But my father, my brother, my husband, my son are all upstanding members of society!!!!" posts really miss the point. Every single abuser is someone's son, someone's husband, someone's father! That's the point!

@Clocktopus

"The Office for National Statistics figures show every year that one in the three victims of domestic abuse are male equating to 757,000 men (1.561m women)"

Another statistic for you.

@Popcornriver

StarfishDish

Sorry I wasn't clear enough. I agree with you completely. I don't want my husband and teenage son lumped in with rapists and murderers. I voted YABU. I was trying to point out a first response feeling after reading the BT article would be well why should it be women being tracked, why not track the ones responsible? But genuinely believing all men should be treat as criminals is obviously unreasonable.

@Popcornriver Sorry, I think I wasn't clear enough either but I was adding my comment onto yours Basically saying I agree too

As it is men who are considerably more likely to be assaulted and murdered
Yes stats probably do show this to be the case.
And what are the stats on women being attacked on the streets? Maybe they're not as bad as we think and they are more likely to be attacked in their own homes by someone they know.

Looked on google
In general, men are more likely to be victims of violence such as assault. It is estimated that about 1.3% of women were victims of violent crime in the year ending March 2020, compared with 2% of men. Most violent attacks are by people the victim knows - 92% in the case of women and 79% among men.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56365412

[quote StarfishDish]@Clocktopus

"The Office for National Statistics figures show every year that one in the three victims of domestic abuse are male equating to 757,000 men (1.561m women)"

Another statistic for you.[/quote]
Whats this got to donwith women being sexually harassed and assaulted on the streets?

Do with…obvs

@RufustheBadgeringReindeer The PPs who think ALL men are the same.

So because SOME not ALL men do those disgusting things, all men should be tarred with the same brush? Its getting to the point men won't help somebody in need as they'll be worried of being accused of something sinister.

Once again, this is not about individual men.

Men as a group are responsibly for over 98% of sexual assaults and rapes and in a recent survey 97% of women reported being given harassed by men - someone is doing this and it's not just a few men, the scale of the problem is beyond just a few men.

What are men doing to make sure their fellow men aren't harming women? Most of them seem to be busy pointing out "NAMALT" but aren't actively speaking out against violence against women. They need to call their fellow men out, they need to tackle misogynistic behaviour amongst their friends and family, they need to stop being mates with their mate John who smacks his wife around but is "alright really and anyway she provokes him", they need to stop hanging around with Mick who is a "total legend even if he does get a bit handsy with the girls in the bars", they need to discipline misogynistic behaviour and sexism amongst their teams at work, they need to talk to their sons about proper behaviour around women, they need to model proper behaviour in their own relationships. Are they doing it? Are they fuck. Know why so many dads joke about their daughter never dating and how they'll have to get a shotgun to keep her safe? It's because they know men, even seemingly "nice" men, are like. Know why our own government have stated that the police will be overrun if all assault/rape/harassment reports were acted upon? Because they know the extent of the problem.

[quote StarfishDish]@Clocktopus

"The Office for National Statistics figures show every year that one in the three victims of domestic abuse are male equating to 757,000 men (1.561m women)"

Another statistic for you.[/quote]
I don’t understand what you mean by this. Male victims doesn’t mean female perpetrators- have I read your post wrong?

Think it's 90% of attackers are known to their victims. That's for women. Stranger danger is rare but it's real and it's what causes women to walk in fear. It needs to be addressed - a change in attitude there would hopefully permeate through other misogynistic attitudes, like the charmers who travel on the tube watching porn on their phones,

@Clocktopus

So because SOME not ALL men do those disgusting things, all men should be tarred with the same brush? Its getting to the point men won't help somebody in need as they'll be worried of being accused of something sinister.

Once again, this is not about individual men.

Men as a group are responsibly for over 98% of sexual assaults and rapes and in a recent survey 97% of women reported being given harassed by men - someone is doing this and it's not just a few men, the scale of the problem is beyond just a few men.

What are men doing to make sure their fellow men aren't harming women? Most of them seem to be busy pointing out "NAMALT" but aren't actively speaking out against violence against women. They need to call their fellow men out, they need to tackle misogynistic behaviour amongst their friends and family, they need to stop being mates with their mate John who smacks his wife around but is "alright really and anyway she provokes him", they need to stop hanging around with Mick who is a "total legend even if he does get a bit handsy with the girls in the bars", they need to discipline misogynistic behaviour and sexism amongst their teams at work, they need to talk to their sons about proper behaviour around women, they need to model proper behaviour in their own relationships. Are they doing it? Are they fuck. Know why so many dads joke about their daughter never dating and how they'll have to get a shotgun to keep her safe? It's because they know men, even seemingly "nice" men, are like. Know why our own government have stated that the police will be overrun if all assault/rape/harassment reports were acted upon? Because they know the extent of the problem.

@Clocktopus If that's the case, what are women doing to stop their fellow females leering at men on nights on, on hen parties etc? Or is that different?

@Suffolkpunch345

How is teaching a woman to be ‘sensible’ going to prevent MEN from leering, stalking, intimidating, raping strangling and killing us?

Whether the men are Police officers or not…

[quote StarfishDish]@RufustheBadgeringReindeer The PPs who think ALL men are the same.[/quote]
Soooooooo…

Nope not getting it

(Actually don’t think any poster has said all men are like that)

So your evidence that not all men are like that is the fact that men also suffer domestic violence

(Disclaimer…i also do not believe that all men are like that, like 99% of us)

There were 241 women murdered 2019 and roughly half by someone they knew. So 120 killed by strangers, I would think a fair few on the street.

"The Office for National Statistics figures show every year that one in the three victims of domestic abuse are male equating to 757,000 men (1.561m women)"

The majority of whom are being assaulted by men - over 92% of domestic abusers are male. Abuse has no place within any relationship, male or female, however female victims of domestic abuse are more likely to be repeatedly abused and are much more likely to be seriously hurt or killed than male victims.