To ask if you’ve met an infamous criminal?

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Did they seem ‘normal’? Or did you get a strange feeling about them?

@BaronessKareness I'm glad he is honest and regrets the situation.
I'm sure it is an awful dark shadow however he has done his time and moved on.
I believe we're all capable of murder given the wrong circumstances.

I've a cousin who was convicted of manslaughter, it isn't black and white, it was a stupid moment of madness during an altercation. He works hard and keeps his head down these days.

A convicted paedophile who ran a youth club I went to aged 11/12. We all knew he was creepy, he used to ask girls to sit on his lap etc but it was in the 90’s and we didn’t really understand, he was also a member of the clergy and well known and respected in the village. I moved away only found out a few years ago that he was in prison.

Met Gary Glitter while on work experience. Vague impression of wrinkled prune-like person, faintly repulsive.
Went to school with a girl who ended up an accomplice to a drug related murder and dismemberment. She was very troubled from primary school age. Sometimes she'd come to my house and we'd do make up and hair and she was sweet; she came to me when her dog died in floods of tears. She had a very tough exterior but very vulnerable underneath. Dread to think what went on at home. She killed herself in prison. I sometimes wonder if I'm the only person who feels sad for her.
Got into a taxi in Bristol in my early 20s and was very filthily and seriously propositioned by the driver and offered money. Shocked, I nervously laughed it off and got safely to my destination. Am convinced it was Warboys and that it predated his more premeditated actions. Luckily, the taxi had been called by my hotel, not me, so perhaps that made it safer for me. Looking back I wish I'd complained but very unfortunately, being young I just thought that sort of thing was what you put up with from some men. He seemed quite brazen and not particularly putting on a friendly cheeky cabby act, the usual banter was missing, he was a bit too serious.

I dunno about infamous, but I met a guy called Yvgeni who it turns out was world reknowned for being cruel to animals and recording it. Can't find a link/remember his name fully now though.

He looked like a goth, but didn't come across as particularly evil or anything.

@EmeraldShamrock

Thank you, it was indeed a situation that spiralled very quickly, totally unforeseen and ended tragically. By strange co-incidence, we were talking about it only this afternoon.
There were other parts of the story that made him “infamous” but it’s very outing.
Meeting him has changed my life for the better. I understand so much more since knowing him.

I was in a bar waiting for a table for the restaurant upstairs and about five lads were together one of the really made the hairs on my arms stand up when he walked across and near me. His eyes were dark and strange I can’t really explain like staring but not able to look into them. I just felt really uncomfortable and moved straight to my DH at the bar and said I don’t want to be over there.
He was arrested for murdering a young girl the next week.

I've a cousin who was convicted of manslaughter, it isn't black and white, it was a stupid moment of madness during an altercation.

if you accidentally kill someone then it is still black and white to me. A moment of madness?

Not me but DH....met Fred West in a professional capacity with a view to possibly having to move onto his land and do a bit if digging......suffice to say he made it very clear to DH there was no F***g way he was going anywhere near his garden!

Yep a fair few through my professional life. One sticks in my mind who killed her son. Showed zero empathy and was super super self absorbed. Clearly a psychopath with a little p, she thinks she’s remarkable but is below average really. Apart from what she did . Always very keen to paint things in a super positive light, l think she believes her own lies (l didn’t). She’s quite bare faced and she clearly thinks she can move back to where she’s from (a small tight knit community) but l don’t think the local area will feel the same way

A friends brother was a prison officer and played badminton with Bronson. Bronson claimed he wasn’t being given a good game, they tried harder, he lost and was then in a mood!

DH said he was quite menacing

@EmeraldShamrock

There has been a few convicted of murders locally.

The two women killer's were both strange DC with a weird vibe prior to their crimes.

Both on the spectrum, both crimes from obsessions with women. 💔

Can you not conflate Murderers with being on the spectrum please. Autistic people have enough prejudice to cope with without the assumption that we're also more likely to be sociopathic (we aren't)

Raoul Most. He was a dick.

*Raoul Moat

I briefly worked with a guy who shortly after got blatantly involved with international terrorist activities although he was definitely already in it at the time I knew him. I was not aware though. He came across as completely charming and very intelligent. Now given what's transpired since he's obviously very clever and also obviously knows how to manipulate people. It's chilling, the extent to which he has exercised what I (and others) observed to be his attributes.

A friends daughter, along with 2 men, killed a vulnerable person in his own flat by battering him to death.
Then they left his body there for a good few weeks while they used his home and belongings, and collected his benefits every time they were due.

I once met Levi Bellfield. He was very likeable, a bit of a cheeky chappy and was giving it all the chat (not chatting up, just talk). But there was something there that made me feel unsettled that I couldn't quite pin point until I saw his mug shot on TV after he'd been arrested.

If you accidentally kill someone then it is still black and white to me. A moment of madness?
It was a physical fight that should have never happened the victim hit his head on the pavement.
The poor guy who died will never move on, I'm not trying to justify cousins actions at all.

Can you not conflate Murderers with being on the spectrum please. Autistic people have enough prejudice to cope with without the assumption that we're also more likely to be sociopathic (we aren't)

I believe @EmeraldShamrock was stating a fact.. not making a sweeping judgement ...

I've known a few terrorists, they were driven to making things better. While they were terrorists and for years after.

Some of them were/are utter, sadistic cunts exploiting an already difficult situation.

@KingsleyShacklebolt

Yes, Rolf Harris. Didn't get any odd vibes from him at all, and spent most of the morning with him.

I will second this from a close family member's working experience with him.

Lordy, I've briefly met other extra judicial fighters since and all of them were thugs ime. I guess I wasn't their mate tho lol.

This guy was a bit different. When I read about what he's been up to it's like a completely different network of international players he's running around with, running parallel to what presents as a legit power. And he's like a politician. That's also how he acted back then. It does my head in a bit tbh.

@EmeraldShamrock

If you accidentally kill someone then it is still black and white to me. A moment of madness? It was a physical fight that should have never happened the victim hit his head on the pavement. The poor guy who died will never move on, I'm not trying to justify cousins actions at all.

I know a mother who lost her son in similar circumstances. He intervened in a fight, was punched, hit his head on the pavement and died. Very sad.

Met Jimmy Saville twice. about 20 years ago. I was visiting my Son, who was in the spinal unit at Stoke Mandeville after his bad accident. Saville just came in the doors at the hospital, he had been out running in his lime green shiny track suit, and green woolly hat,he was raising money for the hospital swimming pool. which was all in state, with cracked tiles and stuff. He was very odd to talk to, with his jabbering voice.

But I was a bit surprised, as it was my first visit to see my son, and was wondering where to get to his ward, Saville asked me who I had come to visit, so told him about my Son, and Sons name. and Saville immediately said, OH. i have met your Son, and then directed me to my sons ward, which was quite hard to find,as in up two flights of stairs, and down several corridors, He said, just go here, and down there etc, Then into the ward on the left, and your Son is in the first bed on the left of the room.

He didn't come with me or anything, I was with my elderly Mum at the time.. I think Saville's various hospital visits all over the place,was just a guise, to cover up his peado stuff,

My Son was in his 20's at the time, and all the men in his ward, and other wards, were mostly like my son, and had become paralysed with various accidents.

@Astrak Denis Nielson killed my friend. I wonder if he was the person you were also referring to?

I shared accommodation with a Senior Staff Nurse on a Children's Ward who burnt her boyfriend's house down with his wife and their two DC inside. All three of them died . The strange thing is, I can find no record of this crime happening. It was in 1983. Does anybody remember it? Oh, and she seemed so normal. And I got to know her well.

My dad was friends with the Krays, I don't remember meeting them but there is a picture of me sitting on Ronnie's knee at a picnic I must have been about 5 so it would have been about 1960.